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F23 i686; Old Gateway NetBook; b43; NetworkManager; network; hassles . .
by Philip Rhoades 25 Feb '16

25 Feb '16

Fred, > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:28:26 -0500 > From: Fred Smith <fredex(a)fcshome.stoneham.ma.us> > To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Subject: Re: F23 i686; Old Gateway NetBook; b43; NetworkManager; > network; hassles . . > Message-ID: <20160224232826.GA11910(a)fcshome.stoneham.ma.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 08:53:55AM +1100, Philip Rhoades wrote: >> People, >> >> I have installed the b43 WiFi driver (from memory I think I had >> problems with the b43-fwcutter RPM and had to install it manually) >> but in any case it works generally with this old NetBook both in X >> and from the console - _IF_ I log in from the netbook first . . if I >> reboot the NetBook remotely and try and ssh to it when it comes back >> up, the network isn't accessible. So I thought I would go through > > In NetworkManger, did you click the checkbox for "All users may > connect to this network" ?? If not, you should try it. I think it > will do what you want, i.e., bring up the network at boot, rather > than at first login. Yes! It does! Thanks for that - but now that I am on the path of trying to get the plain old network setup to work . . I will continue down that path as an intellectual exercise I think . . I don't like getting beaten by the machine . . Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil(a)pricom.com.au

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Re: F23 i686; Old Gateway NetBook; b43; NetworkManager; network; hassles . .
by Philip Rhoades 25 Feb '16

25 Feb '16

Rick, On 2016-02-25 09:49, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 02/24/2016 01:53 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: >> People, >> >> I have installed the b43 WiFi driver (from memory I think I had >> problems >> with the b43-fwcutter RPM and had to install it manually) but in any >> case it works generally with this old NetBook both in X and from the >> console - _IF_ I log in from the netbook first . . if I reboot the >> NetBook remotely and try and ssh to it when it comes back up, the >> network isn't accessible. So I thought I would go through the >> exercise >> of getting rid of NetworkManager and going back to a traditional >> network >> setup and I followed the instructions here: >> >> https://onemoretech.wordpress.com/2014/08/18/disabling-networkmanager-step-… >> >> >> - which didn't actually work - the problem is, as soon as I do: >> >> systemctl stop NetworkManager >> >> the little LED WiFi light goes out on the keyboard and it seems there >> is >> nothing I can do to get it on again - the manual slider switch does >> not >> work (I just get kbd unrecognised key errors). lsmod reports that all >> the modules are still loaded as for NetworkManager. As soon as I >> restart NetworkManager, the WiFi light comes back on - so the question >> is: what is NM doing to enable the WiFi switch? I think if I could >> find >> that out, I could get the traditional networking to function . . >> >> From the attached /var/log/messages, you can see the result of: >> >> systemctl stop NetworkManager >> >> before the: >> >> "================================================================" >> >> and the result of: >> >> systemctl start NetworkManager >> >> after. You can see the wlan0 deauthenticating and "link is not ready" >> messages. >> >> Not sure where to go from here - suggestions? > > IIRC, stopping NetworkMangler makes it disable the wireless (and > bluetooth and mobile broadband if you have it) via rfkill. I think > that's overstepping its rights a bit (no, actually overstepping its > rights by a TON), but there's a hell of a lot I dislike intensely about > systemd and NetworkMangler (especially NetworkMangler's lack of > documentation). > > Ok, turning off my rant valve, you can walk down the /sys/class/rfkill > tree, look for the symlink that points at your wireless, and poke the > "state" file to 1 to turn the radio back on. In my case: > > echo 1 >/sys/class/rfkill/rfkill1/state > > I also have a /sys/class/rfkill/rfkill3 symlink, but it points at the > bluetooth device. I have: /sys/class/rfkill/rfkill0/device -> ../../../acer-wmi /sys/class/rfkill/rfkill1/device -> ../../../acer-wmi /sys/class/rfkill/rfkill2/device -> ../../phy0 So I am presuming 0 is the WiFi. > An easier way might be installing the rfkill RPM and using its tools to > re-enable the wireless. First, see if wifi is disabled > > rfkill list wifi Doing: ffkill list Gives: 0: acer-wireless: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: no 1: acer-bluetooth: Bluetooth Soft blocked: yes Hard blocked: no 2: phy0: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: no > If you see "Soft blocked: yes" then that's how it got disabled. "Hard > blocked: yes" indicates the physical switch is turned off and doing > the > soft unblock below won't help. > > To re-enable soft-blocked devices: > > rfkill unblock wifi Doing: systemctl stop NetworkManager turns off the WiFi light but does not change the Soft blocked result. Making changes to /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-* as recommended and then doing: systemctl start network turns the WiFi light back on (!) but fails with a job error - doing: systemctl status network shows: Bringing uup interface Billion_1: command failed: Network is down (-100) Failed to start LSB: Bring up/down networking Doing: ifup Billion_1 Gives: wlan0 (phy #0): failed to connect, status: 1: Unspecified failure RTNETLINK answers: File exists I seem to be making progress but am still not quite there yet. Even though I have since had pointed out to me a way of getting NetworkManager to work reliably . . now I have started this exercise, I would like to get the old network method working . . Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil(a)pricom.com.au

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Re: Bash / Escaping quotes is driving me crazy . .
by Philip Rhoades 25 Feb '16

25 Feb '16

Matthew, > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 11:48:14 -0500 > From: Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> > To: phil(a)pricom.com.au, Community support for Fedora users > <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> > Subject: Re: Bash / Escaping quotes is driving me crazy . . > Message-ID: <20160225164814.GA21990(a)mattdm.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 02:18:45PM +1100, Philip Rhoades wrote: >> OK, that all makes sense but there is a further issue - I was trying >> to keep it simple - this whole line is inside a Ruby "system" >> command ie: > > Well that's pretty frightening. :) > > Have you considered using ruby's Net::SSH instead? That might be a more sensible option I admit . . for me, I am always getting stuff done in Bash scripts and then when it starts getting too hard or clumsy, switching to Ruby - and I guess I am lazy and I keep re-using what has already been done and is working . . Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil(a)pricom.com.au

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Thunderbird problem/question
by JD 25 Feb '16

25 Feb '16

I caused a problem for myself in TB (using a different email account). By accident I had clicked on "Quick Filter", without noticing I had done that. Then I had proceeded to highlight all messages in Inbox in order to move them to another folder. As soon as I realized I had done that, I did not proceed with the move. But now, clicking on any message (be it in Inbox or in Sent) the message is not displayed. If I double click on a message, then it is displayed in an external window of TB. How can I revert it back to original expected behavior?

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Re: Bash / Escaping quotes is driving me crazy . .
by Philip Rhoades 25 Feb '16

25 Feb '16

Gordon, > Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:40:01 -0800 > From: Gordon Messmer <gordon.messmer(a)gmail.com> > To: Community support for Fedora users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> > Subject: Re: Bash / Escaping quotes is driving me crazy . . > Message-ID: <56C90761.4070509(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On 02/20/2016 04:05 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: >> . . but why is there only a problem with the "flac" OR? - all three >> files have at least one space in the filename: > > Your mistake seems to be believing that the shell can understand the > way > you're nesting quotes. It can't. Each unescaped quote you're using > simply terminates the quoted string that preceded it. So your example: > > ssh localhost "find > /home/phil/music/ambient/RobertGass+OnWingsOfSong/OmNamahaShivaya > -maxdepth 1 -type f \$ -name "*.mp3" -o -name "*.m4a" -o -name > "*.flac" > \$" > > There are the following quoted strings: > > "find /home/phil/music/ambient/RobertGass+OnWingsOfSong/OmNamahaShivaya > -maxdepth 1 -type f \$ -name " > " -o -name " > " -o -name " > " \$" > > This means two things: First, the wildcards are unquoted when the > command is run on the remote system. Second, the wildcards are also > unquoted on the local system. So, if there are any mp3, m4a, or flac > files in the directory where you run that command, or in the default > login directory on the remote system, the wildcard will be expanded and > find will only search for files with that specific name. > > Instead, use single quotes around the entire command, or escape both > the > quotes and the wildcards. > > ssh localhost "find > /home/phil/music/ambient/RobertGass+OnWingsOfSong/OmNamahaShivaya > -maxdepth 1 -type f \$ -name \"\*.mp3\" -o -name \"\*.m4a\" -o -name > \"\*.flac\" \$" > > ssh localhost 'find > /home/phil/music/ambient/RobertGass+OnWingsOfSong/OmNamahaShivaya > -maxdepth 1 -type f $ -name "*.mp3" -o -name "*.m4a" -o -name "*.flac" > $' OK, that all makes sense but there is a further issue - I was trying to keep it simple - this whole line is inside a Ruby "system" command ie: system( "ssh .. " ) - so my working version is the same as your first option (without the escaped '*'s) but with an extra '\' at each place. I can't use the second option because I need to use double quotes so that I can use Ruby variables inside the double quotes eg: #{path} Thanks for the explanation! Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil(a)pricom.com.au

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Trying to open ports in firewalld
by Timothy Murphy 25 Feb '16

25 Feb '16

I'm trying to setup kdeconnect between my Android phone and my Fedora-23/KDE laptop. I see that I have to open ports 1714-1764, TCP and UDP. I'm running firewalld on the laptop. I give the command "firewall-config" and authenticate. Clicking on zone "internal" I see that kde-connect is ticked. And when I go to Ports I see that ports 1714-1764 are listed, TCP and UDP. And all this remains set if I reboot. But I am not able to establish a connection under kdeconnect. Neither device sees the other. Also "sudo nmap -sT -O localhost" on the laptop does not show these ports to be open. If I run "sudo systemctl stop firewalld" then I am able to establish the connection. It seems that these firewalld commands to not open the specified ports, as I would expect. Could some firewalld expert please elucidate. Incidentall, I tried the alternative firewall service some time ago, and that seemed to open the ports OK. -- Timothy Murphy gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin

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Can't get Japanese input working
by Niels Kobschaetzki 24 Feb '16

24 Feb '16

Hi, I used Japanese input in Fedora23 before but after a reinstall because of an intermittent distribution switch where I used fcitx I get punished for cheating on Fedora. I just can't get ibus with KKC working outside of urxvt. In no GTK- or QT-app it will run. I tried in my .xinitrc, .xprofile, .profile and .bashrc (apparently the last is one is necessary for LibreOffice oO) export GTK_IM_MODULE=ibus export QT_IM_MODULE=ibus export XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus and export GTK_IM_MODULE=xim export QT_IM_MODULE=xim export XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus I grepped the .-files in my $HOME for fcitx and it doesn't seem to be present anymore. I tried i3 and Gnome. My main test-application is Chrome but I also tested it in Firefox, Libreoffice, Skype, Keepass and Kate as a QT-application. Nothing works and I can't find any messages in any log. It would be nice to have Japanese input outside of my terminal available. Any ideas? Niels

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F23 i686; Old Gateway NetBook; b43; NetworkManager; network; hassles . .
by Philip Rhoades 24 Feb '16

24 Feb '16

People, I have installed the b43 WiFi driver (from memory I think I had problems with the b43-fwcutter RPM and had to install it manually) but in any case it works generally with this old NetBook both in X and from the console - _IF_ I log in from the netbook first . . if I reboot the NetBook remotely and try and ssh to it when it comes back up, the network isn't accessible. So I thought I would go through the exercise of getting rid of NetworkManager and going back to a traditional network setup and I followed the instructions here: https://onemoretech.wordpress.com/2014/08/18/disabling-networkmanager-step-… - which didn't actually work - the problem is, as soon as I do: systemctl stop NetworkManager the little LED WiFi light goes out on the keyboard and it seems there is nothing I can do to get it on again - the manual slider switch does not work (I just get kbd unrecognised key errors). lsmod reports that all the modules are still loaded as for NetworkManager. As soon as I restart NetworkManager, the WiFi light comes back on - so the question is: what is NM doing to enable the WiFi switch? I think if I could find that out, I could get the traditional networking to function . . From the attached /var/log/messages, you can see the result of: systemctl stop NetworkManager before the: "================================================================" and the result of: systemctl start NetworkManager after. You can see the wlan0 deauthenticating and "link is not ready" messages. Not sure where to go from here - suggestions? Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil(a)pricom.com.au

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[OT] Fwd: Fwd: Minimize and maximize buttons gone
by g 24 Feb '16

24 Feb '16

this post is to clear up a lot of lacking of knowledge about gmail. by using a friend's gmail account to see wtf; -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Fwd: Minimize and maximize buttons gone Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 09:53:07 -0600 From: j b snipes <jbsnipes80(a)gmail.com> To: g <geleem(a)bellsouth.net> as can be seen, i found out wtf and the wtf is that only being able to top posting from gmail isboc. On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 5:22 AM, Mike Easter <MikeE(a)ster.invalid> wrote: > Edward Diener wrote: >> >> I am running TB 38.6.0 on Windows 8.1. I see no minimize or maximize >> buttons for TB. Where did they go ? > so is not being able to reply interspersed. > > I see several different kinds of reports of this in Win8.1, including a MS > hotfix, but also related to Metro apps, graphic card conflicts, Firefox > problem, et al. > because i just did it again. > I'll just post a link to one of those > https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2958267 > > Here's what the googlesearch looks like > https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+8.1+minimize+maximize+buttons&gws_r… > > -- > Mike Easter > also removed the mozilla sig line. found this ability when i selected an email to read. when read page opened, below the email content is a box that reads; Reply, Reply to all, or Forward clicking on "Reply" opened a reply box where there are 3 dot in a gray back gound in lower left, hovering over it produced a pop-up with message "Show trimmed content". clicking it produced a 'trimmed' printout of original message. gmail's 'trimmed' is what rest of world calls 'quoted'. therefore, all you gmail users no longer have an excuse that gmail will not create an email with interspersed response and bottom response. also, in looking thru settings, gmail is lacking in that there is no selection for automatic trimmed replies. for shame. therefore i suggest that there be an addition to the page on how to respond be made along with a link at bottom of fedora's email that a 'newbie' gmail user can be directed to. such would go far in the bickering about gmail, top and bottom posting. hth. -- peace out. If Bill Gates got a dime for every time Windows crashes... ...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it! -+- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. CentOS GNU/Linux 6.7 tc,hago. g .

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OT: renice jobs running for more than 5 minutes
by Ranjan Maitra 24 Feb '16

24 Feb '16

Hi, I am running a fully updated F23 box but this question does not have much to do with Fedora itself, hence the designator and the disclaimer. I am wanting to run a script which will look at all the jobs that are running and renice all of them which have been on for more than five minutes. (Then I can run the script as a cron job as root and be done with automating the process.) Are there any suggestions as to how to go about this task efficiently? Actually, before I reinvent the wheel, are there any standard options that already exist and which would be more suitable for me than just to do everything from scratch. Best wishes, Ranjan -- Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be deleted on receipt. Please respond to the mailing list if appropriate. For those needing to send personal or professional e-mail, please use appropriate addresses. ____________________________________________________________ FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends and family! Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more!

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