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Sound-setup with alsa and pulseaudio [was: Re: pulseaudio MUST DIE!]
by Wolfgang Pfeiffer 26 Nov '17

26 Nov '17

Doug, Philip, and Everyone I started a new thread with the quotes below to make sure to not hijack the thread where they were taken from ... Short version: The whole thing isn't that important - if in doubt, ignore it ... :) The main reason I wrote this email is plain and simple curiosity about whether it can be done, and how: namely to feed sound on a Linux machine to two audio systems at the same time: to internal speakers on the computer and to external ones like, e.g., those in a TV, via HDMI. And all this on Fedora 26 system On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 21:49:17 -0500 Doug <dmcgarrett(a)optonline.net> wrote: [ ... ] > Perhaps I should elaborate: On my system, I have a MB with a sound > output. I also have an NVidia video card that also contains a sound > decoder with an HDMI output jack. With this combination, AND > PulseAudio, I can get simultaneous sound (near the computer with > the MOBO sound output) and video on both the local monitor and the > TV from the NVidio card, AND sound on the TV from the NVidia card > also, via the hdmi connection. It may take some serious fiddling > around with the possibilities in PA, but it CAN be done. To get sound simultaneously from your internal computer speakers and TV (connected via HDMI): which tool(s) did you use? pavucontrol? paman? paprefs? Settings in ~/.asoundrc ? Looks like I have two sound systems on my machine - if true it might be possible to run them concurrently: _______________________________ lspci -nnk |grep -A 7 -i vga 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0416] (rev 06) Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:05aa] Kernel driver in use: i915 Kernel modules: i915 00:03.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller [8086:0c0c] (rev 06) Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:05aa] Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel -- 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Neptune XT [Radeon HD 8970M] [1002:6801] Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:05aa] Kernel driver in use: radeon Kernel modules: radeon 01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cape Verde/Pitcairn HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 7700/7800 Series] [1002:aab0] Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:05aa] Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel _________________________ Specs regarding the lspci result from above: Please note that on this machine there's one mini display port and one HDMI port: AMD specs for the Radeon card say the DisplayPort 1.2 (mini display port is broken on current Fedora¹ since quite some time) is "Multi-Stream", while the specs on HDMI (works here) say nothing about "Multi-Stream" http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/desktop/oem/8900# That's what Intel says about E3-1200 v4 on https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/xeon/xeon-e3-1200v4-vol-… -------------------------------- "The processor also integrates dedicated a Mini HD audio controller to drive audio on integrated digital display interfaces, such as HDMI* and DisplayPort*. The HD audio controller on the PCH would continue to support down CODECs, and so on. The processor Mini HD audio controller supports two High-Definition Audio streams simultaneously on any of the three digital ports." ------------------------------ The last sentence: "The processor Mini HD audio controller supports two High-Definition Audio streams simultaneously on any of the three digital ports." Philip: After I wrote, that I cannot use both speaker systems (internals speakers from the computer and external ones from e.g. TV) at the same time you mentioned ~/.asoundrc: "That should be fixable with a properly configured .asoundrc file? - might need an ALSA guru to do it though . ." Might be difficult to find ALSA gurus ... :) - but I played with .asoundrc years ago on a Macintosh powerp machine, with Debian on it - with surprising results (and I'm far from being an audio guru): https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2009/08/msg00049.html So thanks for pointing to .asoundrc: it hinted to me that ALSA is still there - didn't realize that - I simply thought it was gone with pulseaudio. And yes: I had not much of an idea of what PA actually is until yesterday - I just knew that audio worked here ... Sound setup tho' *might* become more complicated now with both pulseaudio plus alsa being involved - not sure about it yet .. Thanks again .. Wolfgang ¹ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1470845

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Cursor lagging and freezing on MacBook Pro
by Joakim Forøysund 26 Nov '17

26 Nov '17

Hi! I pulled out my MacBook Pro from back in 2008 and installed F26 on it. It worked fine the first couple of days (except from wifi), but then the cursor started lagging and freezing up. I can move it slowly about an inch on the screen before it freezes. Then I can wait a couple of seconds and move it another inch or so. After a few tries it freezes completely. Everything else responds and I can control the computer with the keyboard. I tried upgrading to F27 after the release, but the issue is the same. Any idea what I can do to fix this? Reinstall is of course an option, but I wanted to check with you first. Any advice is appreciated.

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AH01257: unable to connect to cgi daemon after multiple tries
by Tim Evans 25 Nov '17

25 Nov '17

Just upgraded from F26 to F27 without incident. However, the web browser interface to the "BackupPC" application (BackupPC-4.1.3-4.fc27.x86_64) is now broken. The BackupPC daemon itself is working properly, and backups are running. ps -ef | grep -i backup backuppc 1130 1 0 Nov23 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/perl /usr/share/BackupPC/bin/BackupPC However, attempting to access the browser administration pages of the application generates "service unavailable" (503) errors. The Apache error log (*not* any BackupPC log) shows: [Thu Nov 23 10:52:26.203136 2017] [cgid:error] [pid 1162:tid 139834463086336] (13)Permission denied: [client ::1:43468] AH01257: unable to connect to cgi daemon after multiple tries: /usr/share/BackupPC/sbin/BackupPC_Admin, referer: http://localhost/backuppc?action=summary Everything was working properly with F26. Where's the permission denied coming from? # ls -l BackupPC_Admin -rwxr-x--- 1 backuppc apache 3924 Aug 2 12:51 BackupPC_Admin Both apache and the BackupPC daemons are running under the userid 'backuppc' -- Tim Evans |5 Chestnut Court 443-394-3864 |Owings Mills, MD 21117

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Core XFCE utils freezing up
by Konstantin Svist 25 Nov '17

25 Nov '17

Hi, Since last update I've been seeing freezing up behavior, mostly in the xfce4-power-manager. Specifically, this is the behavior I see when starting it up in command line ($ xfce4-power-manager --no-daemon --debug --dump): https://pastebin.ca/3938185 I can interact with its UI directly just fine, no lag. When I use a shortcut button for brightness the 1st step succeeds (brightness changed slightly) but power manager freezes for N seconds. If I press the shortcut several times, the rest of presses are queued up and will take a long time to process. This also affects sleep behavior -- when I close my laptop, it's supposed to sleep if on battery and just lock screen if on power. It always sleeps now. I haven't updated in a few weeks, so it could be a bunch of things causing this, not sure what... Anyone else having these issues?

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docker update errors with recently upgraded f27 system
by Robert P. J. Day 25 Nov '17

25 Nov '17

just did a full upgrade to fedora 27 a few days ago, first couple updates worked fine, then this .. thoughts? should i just wait for upstream to fix itself? Problem 1: cannot install the best update candidate for package docker-2:1.13.1-26.gitb5e3294.fc27.x86_64 - nothing provides atomic-registries >= 1.19.1-6 needed by docker-2:1.13.1-42.git4402c09.fc27.x86_64 Problem 2: package kubernetes-node-1.7.3-1.fc27.x86_64 requires docker, but none of the providers can be installed - package docker-2:1.13.1-26.gitb5e3294.fc27.x86_64 requires docker-common = 2:1.13.1-26.gitb5e3294.fc27, but none of the providers can be installed - cannot install both docker-common-2:1.13.1-42.git4402c09.fc27.x86_64 and docker-common-2:1.13.1-26.gitb5e3294.fc27.x86_64 - cannot install both docker-common-2:1.13.1-26.gitb5e3294.fc27.x86_64 and docker-common-2:1.13.1-42.git4402c09.fc27.x86_64 - cannot install the best update candidate for package kubernetes-node-1.7.3-1.fc27.x86_64 - cannot install the best update candidate for package docker-common-2:1.13.1-26.gitb5e3294.fc27.x86_64 - nothing provides atomic-registries >= 1.19.1-6 needed by docker-2:1.13.1-42.git4402c09.fc27.x86_64 Problem 3: problem with installed package docker-2:1.13.1-26.gitb5e3294.fc27.x86_64 - package docker-2:1.13.1-26.gitb5e3294.fc27.x86_64 requires docker-rhel-push-plugin = 2:1.13.1-26.gitb5e3294.fc27, but none of the providers can be installed - cannot install both docker-rhel-push-plugin-2:1.13.1-42.git4402c09.fc27.x86_64 and docker-rhel-push-plugin-2:1.13.1-26.gitb5e3294.fc27.x86_64 - cannot install both docker-rhel-push-plugin-2:1.13.1-26.gitb5e3294.fc27.x86_64 and docker-rhel-push-plugin-2:1.13.1-42.git4402c09.fc27.x86_64 - cannot install the best update candidate for package docker-rhel-push-plugin-2:1.13.1-26.gitb5e3294.fc27.x86_64 - nothing provides atomic-registries >= 1.19.1-6 needed by docker-2:1.13.1-42.git4402c09.fc27.x86_64 ================================================================================ Package Arch Version Repository Size ================================================================================ Skipping packages with conflicts: (add '--best --allowerasing' to command line to force their upgrade): docker-common x86_64 2:1.13.1-42.git4402c09.fc27 updates 85 k docker-rhel-push-plugin x86_64 2:1.13.1-42.git4402c09.fc27 updates 1.7 M Skipping packages with broken dependencies: docker x86_64 2:1.13.1-42.git4402c09.fc27 updates 20 M Transaction Summary ================================================================================ Skip 3 Packages Nothing to do. Complete!

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kernel install looking very sketchy on F27
by Tom Horsley 24 Nov '17

24 Nov '17

I just did a dnf update on my fedora 27 partition, and the kernel scriptlet generated even more screwy looking output than it did the last time I got a new kernel install: Running scriptlet: kernel-core-4.13.13-300.fc27.x86_64 374/374 ln: target '/boot/dtb' is not a directory cat: write error: Broken pipe I just got the broken pipe last time, now it is talking about a directory that doesn't exist. (I haven't tried booting into this new kernel yet, I hope it still boots OK).

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libgcrypto file conflicts during dnf update
by Amadeus W.M. 24 Nov '17

24 Nov '17

I was doing a regular dnf -y update on a F26 and I got this file conflict: Error: Transaction check error: file /usr/share/doc/libgcrypt/AUTHORS from install of libgcrypt-1.7.9-1.fc26.i686 conflicts with file from package libgcrypt-1.7.8-1.fc26.x86_64 file /usr/share/doc/libgcrypt/NEWS from install of libgcrypt-1.7.9-1.fc26.i686 conflicts with file from package libgcrypt-1.7.8-1.fc26.x86_64 Error Summary ------------- It's a 64 bit machine and I don't even know why I have libgcrypt - i686, but trying to remove that triggers a bunch of other i686 packages to be removed and the mess is spreading. How do I force overwriting the AUTHORS and NEWS files? I tried --allowerasing but I got the same error. Thanks!

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F26 calibre bug? Qt bug? Or just wait a while?
by Tom Horsley 24 Nov '17

24 Nov '17

On fedora 26 I keep getting this: [root@zooty ~]# dnf -y update Last metadata expiration check: 0:12:14 ago on Fri Nov 24 13:31:23 2017. Dependencies resolved. Problem: cannot install both qt5-qtbase-5.7.1-15.fc26.x86_64 and qt5-qtbase-5.9.2-4.fc26.x86_64 - package calibre-3.11.1-1.fc26.x86_64 requires qt5-qtbase(x86-64) = 5.7.1, but none of the providers can be installed - cannot install the best update candidate for package qt5-qtbase-5.9.2-4.fc26.x86_64 - cannot install the best update candidate for package calibre-3.1.1-2.fc26.x86_64 ================================================================================ Package Arch Version Repository Size ================================================================================ Skipping packages with conflicts: (add '--best --allowerasing' to command line to force their upgrade): qt5-qtbase x86_64 5.7.1-15.fc26 fedora 3.0 M Skipping packages with broken dependencies: calibre x86_64 3.11.1-1.fc26 updates 29 M Transaction Summary ================================================================================ Skip 2 Packages Nothing to do. Complete! My current fedora 26 system has: [root@zooty ~]# rpm -q calibre calibre-3.1.1-2.fc26.x86_64 [root@zooty ~]# rpm -q qt5-qtbase qt5-qtbase-5.9.2-4.fc26.x86_64 So new calibre update wants an older version of Qt5? But the calibre I already have installed if fine with the newer Qt5 version I already have installed? Very confusing... P.S. I see on fedora 27 new calibre is perfectly happy with new qt5. These are installed on my fedora 27 partition: [root@zooty /]# rpm -q calibre calibre-3.11.1-2.fc27.x86_64 [root@zooty /]# rpm -q qt5-qtbase qt5-qtbase-5.9.2-5.fc27.x86_64

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What is the technical name for "mtp://" urls in Mate Desktop folder explorer (Caja, ex-Nautilus)
by Fernando Cassia 24 Nov '17

24 Nov '17

I'm curious as to what is the technical name given to these pseudo-URLs used by Caja (formerly Nautilus) on Mate Desktop... When I plug USB flash drives / Thumb Drives / Pen Drives (use your naming choice) I get those automagically mounted (automount). But when I plug my Samsung Android smartphone I get this folder displayed... mtp://[usb:001,009]/ Containing two pseudo-devices "Phone" and "SD Card". All looks very nice, except that the devices are NOT mounted as regular filesystem folders. I can only see them on the GUI through Caja. I want to assign the devices some name like /media/myuser/something. How do I achieve this and what is the logic of mounting these devices "GUI only" and unaccessible (afaik) from the command line? I tried "mounting" these pseudo-devices like mtp://[usb:001,009]/Phone but BASH knows nothing about "mtp://" devices. This seems to be some shitty Mate Desktop invention. On my previous usage of Gnome 2 many moons ago (Sun JDS) this wasn't the case, I remember USB mass storage devices magically appeared on the desktop, and that's what I expect here too... but somewhere along the long fork road, Mate Desktop developers came up with this mtp:// monstrosity. Any clues? I tried complaining but I don't even know the name of these damn mtp:// pseudo devices annoyance. When was this introduced and who thought it was a great idea? I'd like to know some real (person) names if possible to complain in person about the hideous nature of this idea... TIA... FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act - George Orwell

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pulseaudio MUST DIE!
by David A. De Graaf 24 Nov '17

24 Nov '17

pulseaudio became unusable on F26 with the upgrade to vers 11.1.2 a few weeks ago. It rapidly filled the log files with trash - and produced no sound. By using dnf downgrade "*pulseaudio*" I was able to restore sanity. Yesterday I freshly installed Fedora 27 Live Xfce on an Acer laptop. Today, /var/log/messages had grown to -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 14787172 Nov 22 15:47 messages These 15 MB contain recurring lines like this: Nov 22 11:22:18 datacer rtkit-daemon[4896]: Successfully made thread 16113 of pr ocess 16113 (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by 'dad' high priority at nice level -11 . Nov 22 11:22:19 datacer rtkit-daemon[4896]: Successfully made thread 16116 of process 16113 (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by 'dad' RT at priority 5. Nov 22 11:22:19 datacer rtkit-daemon[4896]: Successfully made thread 16121 of process 16113 (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by 'dad' RT at priority 5. Nov 22 11:22:19 datacer pulseaudio[16113]: [pulseaudio] socket-server.c: bind(): Address already in use Nov 22 11:22:19 datacer pulseaudio[16113]: [pulseaudio] module.c: Failed to load module "module-esound-protocol-unix" (argument: ""): initialization failed. Nov 22 11:22:19 datacer pulseaudio[16113]: [pulseaudio] main.c: Module load failed. Nov 22 11:22:19 datacer pulseaudio[16113]: [pulseaudio] main.c: Failed to initialize daemon. Nov 22 11:22:19 datacer pulseaudio[16110]: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup failed. which repeat every 5 seconds, and will rapidly destroy my system. I've fought with this miserable pulseaudio creation for several years, trying to get sound to work *properly*, but this is the last straw. Today I held an exorcism and have slain the damned thing: dnf remove pulseaudio which, amazingly, took out 34 packages. Sound now works perfectly - just the way it should. I cannot discern any important loss of function from the deleted 34 packages so far. aplay, vlc, xmms, mythfrontend and even skypeforlinux all work fine with alsa. pulseaudio should just go away! -- David A. De Graaf DATIX, Inc. Hendersonville, NC dad(a)datix.us www.datix.us

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