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how to correctly log without journald (and its blobs)?
by Franta Hanzlík 09 Apr '18

09 Apr '18

In previous Fedora distros was (IMHO) right way to log only to syslog, without journald and its (for me) unwanted annoying binary logs, by using configuration as: *) Set systemd log target to syslog: systemd.log_target=syslog (syslog-or-kmsg) ---- on kernel cmdline systemd.default_standard_output=syslog --/ and LogTarget=syslog ---- in systemd.conf DefaultStandardOutput=syslog --/ *) configuring rsyslog to listen on /dev/log unix socket: $SystemLogSocketName /dev/log ------ in rsyslog.conf $ModLoad imuxsock ----/ $OmitLocalLogging off ---/ $AddUnixListenSocket /run/systemd/journal/syslog --/(legacy directives) $AddUnixListenSocket /run/systemd/journal/socket -/ $AddUnixListenSocket /run/systemd/journal/stdout / (not sure when all last three directives needed) *) prevent to run journald: systemctl mask systemd-journald.service (and maybe mask systemd-journal-flush.service) And it works fine. But in actual Fedora 24 in systemd man page values syslog-or-kmsg and syslog are missing in LogTarget option. As systemd/journald man pages say hardly anything about exact mean of appropriate configuration for this purpose, then please when someone more knowledgeable can advise: - where to direct the systemd output? Maybe to kmsg an then read it in rsyslog via imklog? (rsyslog should have also imkmsg module, but is not in rsyslog-8.12.0-3.fc24) - what about /run/log/journal/.../system.journal ? On my test F24 system it have open rsyslogd, abrt-dump-journal-oops and abrt-dump-journal-xorg (no need for these last two) processes. Uses it also something else? - what about /run/systemd/journal/{dev-log,socket,stdout} unix sockets? Should rsyslogd listen on them? - /dev/log seems be now symlink to /run/systemd/journal/dev-log socket (as defined by systemd-journald-dev-log.socket) Should it be left (because now something sends to /run/systemd/journal/dev-log), or can be /run/systemd/journal/dev-log removed? Thanks in advance for some clarification about this. Franta Hanzlik

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Evolution Calendar Time Zones
by Will W 07 Apr '18

07 Apr '18

Hello all, Been a long time since I have been on this list. I have a question on Evolution calendar. Hopefully I explain this right.... When I create an entry in the calendar (New York time zone) Everything is fine, but when I edit it the time zone goes to UTC. The system is set to use the NY time zone. Weird!! Tried to a search on google but nothing really comes up on this. Not sure if it a bug or it is a setting somewhere I missed. Thanks, Will W

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OT:Question on NVME disk direct access?
by Michael D. Setzer II 07 Apr '18

07 Apr '18

I'm the maintainer of the G4L disk imaging project since 2004, and I use Fedora as the build platform. Currently using Fedora 27. Have an issue from a user that has me baffled, so am hoping someone here might provide some guidance. The program boots a linux kernel, and basically uses dd to copy the disk/partitions thru a compression program and creates an image file on ftp server or local device. I don't have any physical nvme disks, but using virtualbox I created a 4M disk, and 2 - 2M partitions within it. In testing that, the 4M disk compresses to a 30K file, and the 2M partitions compress to about 15K each. That is what is expected with cleared partitions. The user though, with a real 256G disk doesn't seem to get any compression of the disk or partitions. Them resulting images are close to the same size as the disks or partitions?? He can mount the partitions and see the files, so there must be something going on that I don't see? Would think that accessing the /dev/nvme0n1 or partitions /dev/nvme0n1p1 thru p5 would act the same as accessing /dev/sda or /dev/sdax partitions. The images that are created pass the compression program test, so it is reading data, but in some form that doesn't compress much, and user has used a program to clear the unused space? Thanks for your time, and any ideals. +------------------------------------------------------------+ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor (Retired) mailto:mikes@guam.net mailto:msetzerii@gmail.com Guam - Where America's Day Begins G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ +------------------------------------------------------------+ http://setiathome.berkeley.edu (Original) Number of Seti Units Returned: 19,471 Processing time: 32 years, 290 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes (Total Hours: 287,489) BOINC@HOME CREDITS ROSETTA 65094199.902703 | ABC 16613838.513356 SETI 109335656.779734 | EINSTEIN 140992828.999240

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upgrade to 28 beta question?
by ToddAndMargo 06 Apr '18

06 Apr '18

Hi All, This worked under 27. Anything different under 28? Many thanks, -T FC 27 -->> FC 28: # rpm --rebuilddb # rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest if anything is too new, do a # dnf downgrade offender(s) # dnf --enablerepo=* update --refresh # dnf install python3-dnf-plugin-system-upgrade # dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=28 --allowerasing # dnf clean packages <-- optional # dnf system-upgrade reboot -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When we ask for advice, we are usually looking for an accomplice. -- Charles Varlet de La Grange ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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GnuCash 3.0
by SternData 06 Apr '18

06 Apr '18

Version 3.0 was released the other day. Are there plans to update the version in the repos? I don't see anything in updates-testing. -- -- Steve

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Lost touchpad vertical scrolling after upgrading this laptop from F25->F26
by Kevin Cummings 06 Apr '18

06 Apr '18

Hi Folks, I just recently upgraded the F25 on this laptop (Dell Inspiron 1520) to F26. It mostly went well, except that I seem to have lost the ability to use the vertical scrolling part of my touchpad. I'm running the MATE desktop, so the first thing I did was to check the mouse configuration in System->Preferences->Mouse. In the touchpad tab, I see that Vertical Edge Scrolling is indeed checked, and un-checking it and re-checking it does not bring the functionality back. I can use two-fingered vertical scrolling (it also is checked), but I am not an expert, and it seems to have the side effect of backing up if I move my second finger down into the horizontal scroll area of the touchpad when trying to do a large vertical scroll. A secondary problem to this is that if I move the mouse pointer into the right side scroll bar, then click to grab it and move the pointer vertically, it does scroll the window, but the pointer moves faster than the scroll bar, and to go all the way (either way) often takes multiple attempts. Finally, if I place the mouse below (or above) the scroll bar, it does not scroll by just one page, very often I put the pointer closer to the top or bottom of the scroll bar area, and it scrolls all the way to the top or bottom. For this one, how can I get the old behavior back? -- Kevin J. Cummings cummings(a)kjchome.homeip.net cummings(a)kjc386.framingham.ma.us kjchome(a)icloud.com Registered Linux User #1232 (http://www.linuxcounter.net/)

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what package would one bugzilla package group issues against?
by Robert P. J. Day 06 Apr '18

06 Apr '18

seems to me that some of the current dnf packages related to virtualization and containers could be adjusted and cleaned up, but i'm not sure against which component one would file a BZ issue against. first, the Virtualization group: $ dnf group info virtualization Last metadata expiration check: 0:18:41 ago on Fri 06 Apr 2018 05:18:28 AM EDT. Group: Virtualization Description: These packages provide a graphical virtualization environment. Mandatory Packages: virt-install Default Packages: libvirt-daemon-config-network libvirt-daemon-kvm qemu-kvm virt-manager virt-viewer Optional Packages: guestfs-browser libguestfs-tools libvirt-client python-libguestfs virt-top $ i'm still perusing that group to convince myself that its contents really reflects what is required for "virtualization" on fedora -- it's possible that there are newer packages that should be included, but i'm still poring over it. next, the "container-management" package seems awfully docker-centric: $ dnf group info container-management Last metadata expiration check: 0:21:50 ago on Fri 06 Apr 2018 05:18:28 AM EDT. Group: Container Management Description: Tools for managing Linux containers Mandatory Packages: cockpit-docker docker Optional Packages: docker-registry fedora-dockerfiles $ more to the point, these days, it should incorporate the "docker-ce" package, not "docker", yes? (and i vaguely recall from somewhere that the fedora-dockerfiles package was not terribly up to date.) anyway, given container technologies other than docker, it seems that that group name is a bit misleading. and if one can have a package group devoted to docker, one imagines it would be appropriate to have one dedicated to, say, kubernetes as well, but there isn't one. anyway, it just seems like there could be a refactoring of a number of package groups to make them more consistent and current. thoughts? rday

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can i define my own dnf package groups?
by Robert P. J. Day 06 Apr '18

06 Apr '18

related to my earlier query (and i'll have a couple more about package groups and virtualization before i'm done), is there any way to define my own package groups for personal use, other than manually hacking the groups.xml file? i've scanned the dnf man page, and i don't see any indication that that's possible -- perhaps a dnf plugin somewhere i haven't found? rday

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using "dnf group remove" to *totally* remove all virtualization?
by Robert P. J. Day 06 Apr '18

06 Apr '18

a couple more dnf/virtualization questions and that should be it. first, is there any option, when removing a package group with "dnf group remove", to remove even those packages that were installed manually? last time i looked (and i believe i just reconfirmed that), dnf keeps track of which packages were installed manually so that, when you remove a package group, it will *not* remove packages that had been installed manually. i'm not aware of any way around that, but perhaps i missed something in the man page. or maybe there's a dnf plugin? finally, the reason i'm asking about this is that i'm writing a tutorial on how to get started with virtualization on fedora, and i wanted to start from the perspective of a system that had absolutely no virtualization support on it whatever, and show what one could do as one added one virtualization component at a time; hence, my attempt at trying to remove the entire Virtualization package group (even though i don't think that would come close to getting rid of all virtualization). by the way, that last paragraph inspires the question -- does a regular fedora system *require* even the smallest aspect of virtualization to run properly? as in, if i had no need for virtualization support, is it feasible to remove every single virt-related package from the machine and not break something? rday

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html to man page
by JD 06 Apr '18

06 Apr '18

Hi all, I have an app that has no manpage, but has about 170 html files, all of which index into a subset of the 168 files. I would like to use an app that will produce a single manpage like text file. Is there an app that can do this? I saw a few apps on google search, but none of them are producing what I want. Thanx.

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