On 12/19/2014 04:11 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 12/19/2014 01:41 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
>
> I wanted to start out by noting that the OP stated:
>
>>  >> I wanted to update to 21 (from 20) using a DVD (bad network).
>                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Anyway, there hasn't been an image that does a literal 'upgrade' for a
>> while now.  If you use fedup it will download the newer version of each
>> package you have installed and nothing else - where the old DVD would
>> probably have packages you don't need, and not have packages you do.  If
>> the fedup prep stops because of a network interruption, the already
>> downloaded packages don't go away.  Run fedup again, and it will pick up
>> where it left off.
>
> That's why he wanted a DVD with everything on it...he has a crappy
> network connection so a network upgrade is sorta difficult. I suppose
> he was planning to fire up a bittorrent session and let it run a few
> days to get the DVD image.
>
> I tend to agree with the OP...not everyone has a decent internet
> connection and having everything dependent on the network sort of
> orphans those users. Not a great way of winning friends and influencing
> people.
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Let me take a step back - I think I didn't explain this well.  If you have a bad network connection, downloading one very large file is a risky prospect.  You're going to use more bandwidth than you need to, the bad network connection could corrupt the download - and yes, torrent downloads do get corrupted - etc.  The OP is asking where to *download* the DVD - which I'll point out again, does not exist.  The typical method for installing any linux distro is to download the ISO.  There's only one way out of that, the Fedora Free Media program, and you don't get something that does an in-place upgrade that way, for the last several releases.  Even then, you didn't get the Install DVD, you  got a multi-live image.  Now, you'll get something that will do a clean install of Fedora Workstation.

As for "A dvd with everything on it" - there has never been such a thing, and if there was, you wouldn't ask to download it to solve your network problems. "Everything" for Fedora 21 is over 70GB. The updates of Everything so far are another ~10GB.  The only way this works out better for low-bandwidth users is if there's an image that has all the packages they have installed, and none they don't.  That's kind of like what fedup provides - only without the extra space required for the installer and related tools.

If you download one package at a time, like fedup does, you're breaking up that download task into more manageable chunks.  Fedup doesn't download the packages at the same time as it uses them; the process is broken into steps: first all of the packages are downloaded, then you reboot, and the downloaded packages are applied.  You can stop the first part at any time, and the packages that you have already downloaded will still be there.  You can resume, and fedup will know that it doesn't need to download them again.  If we're talking about the space of a few days, sure, there's going to be new updates, but the majority of the packages probably won't change in such a short time. Once they're all downloaded, though, the actual upgrade is completely offline.

So, I guess I'm answering a different question. Not "where do I get the DVD image", but "what's the best way to upgrade with a bad network connection".

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-- Pete