On 11/07/2013 07:21 AM, Rejy M Cyriac wrote:
On 11/07/2013 10:45 AM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 04:22:03PM -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
BTW, the moderator(s) seem to confuse bluntness with rudeness and/or combatitiveness. For my part, I appreciate bluntness.
Bluntness is often used as a excuse by people who are rude. It is easy enough to see the difference. "You are wrong" is blunt but is helpful to suggest how it can be improved. "You are an idiot" is rude and not really justified in this list even if you good technical expertise and it is against Fedora's code of conduct. I will leave it as an exercise to reader to figure out which side they stand on.
The problem, of course, being that idiots seldom appreciate their idiocy unless it's pointed out to them.......bluntly.
Who is an idiot ? This is more often than not, very subjective. A novice user may seem like an idiot to an insensitive expert user. Being rude, and using expletives in the reply, does not help the Fedora User community in any way, and on the other hand it may even alienate novice users.
What to consider rude also is subjective and largely dependent on a person's personal background.
I for instance, consider ad-hominem attacks disguised in politically correct wordings (There have been some in this thread) to be more disgusting than people who are using blunt or vulgar wordings to describe their positions on technical matters.
I contend that, as has been previously stated in another post, this matter was poorly, clumsily handled.
The person was given advice multiple times, over an extended period of time, to change the tone of replies to the user community. I believe that the moderators were very patient with the person, and allowed more time than usual, on account of his contributions to the Fedora community.
Well, I respectfully disagree. The moderators did not handle the situation appropriately, escalated the situation and have managed to drive away a Fedora user who provided valuable contributions.
Ralf