On Saturday 24 February 2007, Jonathan Berry wrote:
On 2/24/07, Gene Heskett gene.heskett@verizon.net wrote:
On Saturday 24 February 2007, Claude Jones wrote:
On Sat February 24 2007, Gene Heskett wrote:
I might have to start from scratch again just to change the video card. And I'll be damned if I'm going to spend 4x the price of the mobo on a video card just so the gl screenblankers run smoothly.
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=4128229
Just put one of these in an AGP slot in my ASUS - it scats! With 256 mb ram it's got plenty of ooomffff - certified to run Cinelerra according to several folks on that list, and look at that price
Not bad at all, but who is Jaton? Does it look like an nvidia card to the nvidia driver?
All nVidia cards use the same chipset and the same driver. It does not matter who puts together the card itself. If it uses an nVidia GPU, it is an nVidia graphics card. Now, the quality of the card itself may vary slightly based upon the manufacturer. And the features will (such as ports, amount of RAM, etc). Oh, you can probably find a better price than that. I like Newegg.com personally: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048+10 6790703&Subcategory=48&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc=
Avoid the "Turbo Caching" stuff. That uses system RAM to augment the video RAM actually on the card. Get dedicated Video RAM.
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So far as the NVidia cards, I also bought a bunch of PCIx versions of the one above, and they are real fast: glxgears 2330 frames in 5.0 seconds = 465.975 FPS 2304 frames in 5.0 seconds = 460.695 FPS 2275 frames in 5.0 seconds = 454.949 FPS
I'll look when I'm awake agan, but this ati (and I think glxgears is lieing to me) says it doing 770 or so.
That seems rather low. But glxgears is a poor benchmark as it is also closely tied to your CPU and other factors. I have a (PNY) 6600 GT with 128 MB Video RAM and I get: (with AIGLX enabled) $ glxgears 19516 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3903.179 FPS 28603 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5720.504 FPS 27597 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5519.237 FPS 28336 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5661.658 FPS (without AIGLX) $ glxgears 37436 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7487.071 FPS 36616 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7322.496 FPS 37653 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7530.581 FPS 36758 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7351.457 FPS
Jonathan
And what sort of a cpu etc do you have there? Those figures are about 30x what I'm getting after using the nvidia installer to put the most recent driver in. This card, and I miss-spoke is a 3DForce 6200-256. the nv driver would not even run it as well as the ATI ran, including limiting the resolution to 1440x900, which is a far cry from square pixels here. But after I'd installed the nvidia driver, I was back to my usual 1600x1200 and looking good, but, on the XP-2800 Athlon with a gig of 333FSB ram, glxgears, while obviously a heck of a lot smoother, isn't anywhere near that fast:
5939 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1187.719 FPS 5969 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1193.787 FPS 5961 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1192.097 FPS
glxinfo looks better: [root@coyote ~]# glxinfo name of display: :0.0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: Yes server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation server glx version string: 1.4 server glx extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_NV_float_buffer, GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation client glx version string: 1.4 client glx extensions: GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_NV_swap_group, GLX_NV_video_out, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_NV_float_buffer, GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float, GLX_EXT_fbconfig_packed_float, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB GLX version: 1.3 GLX extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_NV_float_buffer, GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float, GLX_ARB_get_proc_address OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 6200/AGP/SSE/3DNOW! OpenGL version string: 2.1.0 NVIDIA 97.46 OpenGL extensions: GL_ARB_color_buffer_float, GL_ARB_depth_texture, GL_ARB_draw_buffers, GL_ARB_fragment_program, GL_ARB_fragment_program_shadow, GL_ARB_fragment_shader, GL_ARB_half_float_pixel, GL_ARB_imaging, GL_ARB_multisample, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_occlusion_query, GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object, GL_ARB_point_parameters, GL_ARB_point_sprite, GL_ARB_shadow, GL_ARB_shader_objects, GL_ARB_shading_language_100, GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, GL_ARB_texture_compression, GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add, GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_ARB_texture_float, GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two, GL_ARB_texture_rectangle, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object, GL_ARB_vertex_program, GL_ARB_vertex_shader, GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_ATI_draw_buffers, GL_ATI_texture_float, GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once, GL_S3_s3tc, GL_EXT_texture_env_add, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_blend_color, GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate, GL_EXT_blend_func_separate, GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array, GL_EXT_Cg_shader, GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_fog_coord, GL_EXT_framebuffer_blit, GL_EXT_framebuffer_multisample, GL_EXT_framebuffer_object, GL_EXT_gpu_program_parameters, GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays, GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil, GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_EXT_pixel_buffer_object, GL_EXT_point_parameters, GL_EXT_rescale_normal, GL_EXT_secondary_color, GL_EXT_separate_specular_color, GL_EXT_shadow_funcs, GL_EXT_stencil_clear_tag, GL_EXT_stencil_two_side, GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_EXT_texture3D, GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc, GL_EXT_texture_cube_map, GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_env_combine, GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3, GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic, GL_EXT_texture_lod, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_texture_mirror_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_object, GL_EXT_texture_sRGB, GL_EXT_timer_query, GL_EXT_vertex_array, GL_IBM_rasterpos_clip, GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_KTX_buffer_region, GL_NV_blend_square, GL_NV_copy_depth_to_color, GL_NV_depth_clamp, GL_NV_fence, GL_NV_float_buffer, GL_NV_fog_distance, GL_NV_fragment_program, GL_NV_fragment_program_option, GL_NV_fragment_program2, GL_NV_framebuffer_multisample_coverage, GL_NV_half_float, GL_NV_light_max_exponent, GL_NV_multisample_filter_hint, GL_NV_occlusion_query, GL_NV_packed_depth_stencil, GL_NV_pixel_data_range, GL_NV_point_sprite, GL_NV_primitive_restart, GL_NV_register_combiners, GL_NV_register_combiners2, GL_NV_texgen_reflection, GL_NV_texture_compression_vtc, GL_NV_texture_env_combine4, GL_NV_texture_expand_normal, GL_NV_texture_rectangle, GL_NV_texture_shader, GL_NV_texture_shader2, GL_NV_texture_shader3, GL_NV_vertex_array_range, GL_NV_vertex_array_range2, GL_NV_vertex_program, GL_NV_vertex_program1_1, GL_NV_vertex_program2, GL_NV_vertex_program2_option, GL_NV_vertex_program3, GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_texture_lod, GL_SGIX_depth_texture, GL_SGIX_shadow, GL_SUN_slice_accum
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So what do I check next? And, whats all that 'Ncon' stuff telling me?
And many thanks for the help I've been given by several already. :)