Hi Chris,
On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 08:55:46PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Jan 1, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com wrote:
More to the point, I find it counter productive to _remove_ important debugging resources/tools irrespective of the technical proficiency of the user of the system.
I switched to journalctl when it first appeared as non-persistent logging, by creating /var/log/journal to make it persistent, and disabled rsyslog. I'm not a particularly technical user, I prefer the parsing options in the journal rather than having to look at different files or even different commands.
You misunderstood me. I was questioning the decision to remove an MTA on a default install. The missing "debuging resource/tool" in this case is system mail, not journalctl.
Personally, I do not like journalctl. I understand the motivation behind it, I even see some benefits of an unified logging facility but the way this has been carried out seems a bit unfriendly to me. Using journalctl requires a much more intimate knowledge of the system than the old "view/grep /var/log/ files" method. I also notice performance problems when the journal is big and the documentation is incredibly obscure.