On 01/31/2013 04:44 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
On 01/27/2013 06:15 PM, Lailah wrote:
El vie, 25-01-2013 a las 22:40 +0100, Frantisek Hanzlik escribió:
Joe Zeff wrote:
On 01/25/2013 12:46 PM, James Freer wrote:
LOL - good reply! I must admit i do get fed up with the twin names. In the Precise version... it was very much IMprecise. Just too many bugs now to be worth using.
It often seems to me that they're too concerned about making their names cute for my taste, but I don't use it myself and keep my opinion to myself for the most. Now, alas, it's beginning to look like Fedora's going down that path instead of marketing itself as a serious distro for people who are more interested in how it works than in what it's called. Alas, from what I can see, unless I'm active as a Fedora dev (My programming skills rusted away decades ago.) the only input I have to the process is making suggestions. None of us "mere users" have a vote.
Trend which I see in my Linux "neighbourhood" is quite transparent - people switch from Fedora elsewhere: some of them to Centos, others to different distro, some leave Linux entirely. Perhaps nobody now is using Gnome3.
This matches with what I observe here. On my home network/personal machines, my way to survive was to switch my home-server to CentOS and to resort to Xfce as DE on Fedora clients.
I myself was not afraid install Fedora at production workstations and servers, even in their beta phase - but it ended with F12-F13 (F14 was still good distro, but in beta phase there was unworkable systemd; in final release was upstart). And now I install Fedora not before several weeks after final releas - and for testing purposes only.
Well, is curious... I see the opposite situation. People from other distros (especially Ubuntu) dropping into Fedora. May be a geographic difference?
I'd guess, it's people being dissatisfied with what they are used to, now being on a "quest for the better".
That said, from what I've heard and read, Ubuntu is in a similar crisis as Fedora. What is Gnome3 in Fedora seems to be Unity in Ubuntu (users turning away), what's the anaconda-disaster in F18 seems to be a general stability in Ubuntu 12.10.
I'm pretty much stuck for the moment until I know 18 is a little more stable...as for people "jumping ship" even though a few of the releases might have had a lot of bugs...I don't think I'll be leaving Fedora just yet...LoL! I will wait to see if things smooth out by like...19...maybe 20....
My 2 cents ... stability-wise, from what I've experienced so far, F17 and F18 currently seem on par. Also, yum-upgrading existing F17 installations to F18 went without many problems for me.
However, installing F18 probably is a completely different matters ;)
Ralf