I would like to interject for what it's worth: I became frustrated with Gnome 3's implementation. I ran Bodhi Linux for while, but it was too light weight. I returned to Fedora (I've been running Linux since Red Hat 5.1 in 1999, with a few detours to other distros, but not many; I continually return to Fedora, and love it.

Then I discovered the Cinnamon desktop, been running it for a couple of years. To be honest, I'll never go back. For my computers, Cinnamon does what I need with little aggravation (a Netbook Acer i686, and an Asus X86_64). I update both using dnf and have never had a problem (even going from F21 to F25). Red Hat and Fedora are the most stable Linux distros that I have used. Kudos!!! Wish I had bought stock in Red Hat when it went public :(. Carry on with the good work.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Peter Teuben <teuben@astro.umd.edu> wrote:

On 09/10/2017 02:42 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 09/09/2017 05:24 PM, Peter Teuben wrote:
>> Installed Fedora-26, which was fast and a snap... now doing the first reboot, since it wanted to install updates. I've been sitting here for literally 15 minutes watching a useless black screen... much like how windows does this.. Is that just an unhappy default, or required. In Ubuntu they are downloaded as you continue to work, you reboot, and that's usually quick, and you're back to work, usually that all takes a minute.
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> That is strange. The packages would have been downloaded and prepared, then you reboot and they are installed. I don't remember ever doing the offline updates, but I assumed it would be similar to the release upgrade process where it gives you a progress bar and package counts. I doubt that a clear black screen is ok.
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I should clarify that there was a percentage counter in (I believe) the top left corner, that very slowly went through the percentages of being done. So the screen wasn't completely black.

Eventually it got done. I played with gnome3, and got sufficiently frustrated by the amount of work it takes me to get to a state I'm happy with, including noticing a number of the gnome3 extensions that basically don't work (red ERROR), and the basic lack of simple tunings (change the timeout of screen blanking, focus follows mouse with autoraise, to name a few).... With the impending death of Unity decided to try of KDE... and I'm shocked how easy it is to configure. Arguably has more than I need,so I'll play with this. Unless I'm missing something about gnome3, i think these extensions are the wrong way to go configure your desktop.

peter
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