fedora-list-bounces@redhat.com wrote:
On Die, 2004-11-30 at 14:38 +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
I maintain mail servers and I use (free) services of black lists. If your IP is listed, tough.
Tough for the users of your mail server. Tough if they seek another admin because of your incompetence.
If this is an example of the civility you use when trying to resolve the issue, I'm not surprised that your requests have gone unanswered.
I'm also on dialup; I use my IAP's mail server to relay my outgoing mail.
Fine, don't forget to wink at the listening NSA/FBI/CIA/... guys from time to time.
And you think that your communication would be completely unmonitored otherwise? Did you install the hardwire between you and your destination yourself, or something?
Even aside from problems with blacklists, using your IAP's relay makes sense if you have any volume of mail; your outgoings go quickly to your IAP who then has to worry about deliveries which _can_ take hours, days sometimes.
Do you imagine your ISP to employ a lot of postmen trying to deliver your messages? Wake up, we live in the 21st century. The average desktop machine has hundreds of times more power than the system that brought people to the moon. I mostly don't care how long my messages wait in the queue, almost all are delivered on the first attempt anyway.
Which removes one concern from not smarthosting your mail - the ability to track down and/or otherwise control that portion of the delivery cycle.
Those black lists stop _a lot_ of spam. I get a few a day and dozens a day <plonked>.
I do only get a few spams per moth, spamassassin eats the rest, but I am not blocking legitimate messages from going through. It's not spam that could kill e-mail, it's ignorant and busive admins like you!
Tom
I block somewhere around 60% of my incoming connections because they are spam. They're on blocking lists, both off-site (SORBS, etc) and my own. I can guarantee that they're spam. How? They're to addresses which were never meant to accept incoming mail. My logs confirm it. As far as I can tell, I've blocked 2 legitimate messages in the past three years based upon these criteria. Obviously, YMMV. At one point I was blocking over 10,000 messages a day from dynamic IPs on cable modems. Their ranges weren't otherwise listed, and it took their providers in excess of three weeks to address the problem.
But one thing I don't understand: why do you feel you have any expectation to absolute privacy via email, especially when you're also demanding 100% deliverability?
-Don