Hi,
it seems RH will still offer boxes for end users, the next to RHL 9 http://www.redhat.de/software/workstation/ http://shop.redhat.de/katalog/software This one is in german only, but you'll get the relevant parts: 99 bucks
To clear my confusion: Is this offer only for the european market? Whats the relation to fedora core?
Thanks
Friedhelm
"Friedhelm" == Friedhelm Betz holliwell@gmx.net writes:
Friedhelm> Hi, it seems RH will still offer boxes for end users, the next Friedhelm> to RHL 9 Friedhelm> http://www.redhat.de/software/workstation/ Friedhelm> http://shop.redhat.de/katalog/software This one is in german Friedhelm> only, but you'll get the relevant parts: 99 bucks
Friedhelm> To clear my confusion: Is this offer only for the european Friedhelm> market? Whats the relation to fedora core?
The codebase is closer to Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 than to Fedora Core. I know of no plans for Red Hat to produce any kind of "for-sale" product directly based on the Fedora Core bits.
Ed
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:40:46 +0100, Friedhelm Betz wrote:
it seems RH will still offer boxes for end users, the next to RHL 9 http://www.redhat.de/software/workstation/ http://shop.redhat.de/katalog/software This one is in german only, but you'll get the relevant parts: 99 bucks
To clear my confusion: Is this offer only for the european market?
No.
Whats the relation to fedora core?
Professional Workstation is based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 WS.
Please check the various list archives, e.g. redhat-list, they are searchable. The product is an ongoing topic.
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On Wednesday 29 October 2003 14:01, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:40:46 +0100, Friedhelm Betz wrote:
it seems RH will still offer boxes for end users, the next to RHL 9 http://www.redhat.de/software/workstation/ http://shop.redhat.de/katalog/software This one is in german only, but you'll get the relevant parts: 99 bucks
To clear my confusion: Is this offer only for the european market?
No.
Tanks.
Whats the relation to fedora core?
Professional Workstation is based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 WS. Please check the various list archives, e.g. redhat-list, they are searchable. The product is an ongoing topic.
I'll have a look;-)
Maybe my question was a bit misleading, read as whats the relation to the fedora project? I thought, RH will stop selling boxes for end users, and now RHPW. Just this fact (stopping box selling) is the reason for fedora. I am really confused about RH product strategy.
And what about the Redhat Magazine?
Friedhelm
"Friedhelm" == Friedhelm Betz holliwell@gmx.net writes:
... Friedhelm> Maybe my question was a bit misleading, read as whats the Friedhelm> relation to the fedora project? I thought, RH will stop selling Friedhelm> boxes for end users, and now RHPW. Just this fact (stopping box Friedhelm> selling) is the reason for fedora. I am really confused about RH Friedhelm> product strategy.
You have the cause and affect mixed up. :-) The reason for Fedora is *not* to stop selling boxed products -- it is to allow open source development to proceed at its more normal (faster) pace. Tying open source development to a boxed product (which needs to have a certain shelf life) slowed things down.
We want to have boxed products available for retail sales. However, retailers do not like products that "go stale" within a few months (like Red Hat Linux). So, a boxed product based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux bits (which by definition change more slowly than Red Hat Linux did, and *much* more slowly than Fedora Core will) gives retailers a product they understand.
Friedhelm> And what about the Redhat Magazine?
What about it? It's a way for Red Hat to bring information (and interesting bits) to people on a regular basis. Nothing more, nothing less.
Ed
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 14:20, Edward C. Bailey wrote:
"Friedhelm" == Friedhelm Betz holliwell@gmx.net writes:
... Friedhelm> Maybe my question was a bit misleading, read as whats the Friedhelm> relation to the fedora project? I thought, RH will stop selling Friedhelm> boxes for end users, and now RHPW. Just this fact (stopping box Friedhelm> selling) is the reason for fedora. I am really confused about RH Friedhelm> product strategy.
You have the cause and affect mixed up. :-) The reason for Fedora is *not* to stop selling boxed products -- it is to allow open source development to proceed at its more normal (faster) pace. Tying open source development to a boxed product (which needs to have a certain shelf life) slowed things down.
Maybe, but the communication provided by RH is not very clear for me, sorry (and I did read the redhat sites and the one dedicated to fedora)
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Froedhelm
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 15:11, Friedhelm Betz wrote: [...]
Maybe, but the communication provided by RH is not very clear for me, sorry (and I did read the redhat sites and the one dedicated to fedora)
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Replying to myself: Check this urls and you may find a reason for my confusion: http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/purchase/index.html https://www.europe.redhat.com/shop/en/ and this one: http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/
<qoute> Available exclusively through Retail and Corporate Resellers </qoute>
No pointers are given, where to buy, so can I consider http://shop.redhat.de/katalog/software as Retail or Corporate Reseller
Friedhelm
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:22:52 +0100, Friedhelm Betz wrote:
Replying to myself: Check this urls and you may find a reason for my confusion: http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/purchase/index.html https://www.europe.redhat.com/shop/en/ and this one: http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/
<qoute> Available exclusively through Retail and Corporate Resellers </qoute>
No pointers are given, where to buy, so can I consider http://shop.redhat.de/katalog/software as Retail or Corporate Reseller
Well, that example is flawed, and it seems you have a weird understanding of what "resale" is. http://shop.redhat.de is a special case because orders are not handled by Red Hat themselves but in cooperation with linuxland.de (see bottom of page or http://shop.redhat.de/versand). One well-known reseller in Germany is www.ixsoft.de where you find Professional Workstation on the main page even.
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No pointers are given, where to buy, so can I consider http://shop.redhat.de/katalog/software as Retail or Corporate Reseller
Well, that example is flawed, and it seems you have a weird understanding of what "resale" is.
what about https://www.europe.redhat.com/shop/en/ ?
As the whole point of my statements, I come to the conclusion that the information from the various redhat sites are (at least for me) a bit confusing. Maybe also my own readings are not thorough enoaugh;:), but the communication by the redhat websites are at least suboptimal (imho). But its ok, and no longer worth of discusion;-) Thanks, for your patience
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:53:04 +0100 (MET), Friedhelm Betz wrote:
No pointers are given, where to buy, so can I consider http://shop.redhat.de/katalog/software as Retail or Corporate Reseller
Well, that example is flawed, and it seems you have a weird understanding of what "resale" is.
what about https://www.europe.redhat.com/shop/en/ ?
Order/purchase it where you're able to. It might be your favourite shop in your town or a online shop that has it.
http://www.europe.redhat.com/shop/resellers.php3
As the whole point of my statements, I come to the conclusion that the information from the various redhat sites are (at least for me) a bit confusing.
There are several issues with regard to lack of details about Red Hat Professional Workstation. Known thing and a current topic on redhat-list, for instance.
Maybe also my own readings are not thorough enoaugh;:), but the communication by the redhat websites are at least suboptimal (imho). But its ok, and no longer worth of discusion;-) Thanks, for your patience
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:10:43 +0100, Friedhelm Betz wrote:
And what about the Redhat Magazine?
? That question should be much more specific. The magazine is not limited to "Red Hat Linux".
Have you ever visited http://www.redhatmagazine.com/ or http://www.redhatmagazin.de as opposed to the old content at http://www.redhat.de/magazin/?
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On Wednesday 29 October 2003 14:52, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:10:43 +0100, Friedhelm Betz wrote:
And what about the Redhat Magazine?
? That question should be much more specific. The magazine is not limited to "Red Hat Linux".
Have you ever visited http://www.redhatmagazine.com/ or http://www.redhatmagazin.de as opposed to the old content at http://www.redhat.de/magazin/?
Thanks for the pointers, but they all offer the same (limited) content;-)
More specific: will Redhat Magazin ship with RHPW?
Friedhelm
Friedhelm Betz (holliwell@gmx.net) said:
Have you ever visited http://www.redhatmagazine.com/ or http://www.redhatmagazin.de as opposed to the old content at http://www.redhat.de/magazin/?
Thanks for the pointers, but they all offer the same (limited) content;-)
More specific: will Redhat Magazin ship with RHPW?
The magazine is more likely to ship with Fedora Core.
Bill
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:09:34 +0100, Friedhelm Betz wrote:
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 14:52, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:10:43 +0100, Friedhelm Betz wrote:
And what about the Redhat Magazine?
? That question should be much more specific. The magazine is not limited to "Red Hat Linux".
Have you ever visited http://www.redhatmagazine.com/ or http://www.redhatmagazin.de as opposed to the old content at http://www.redhat.de/magazin/?
Thanks for the pointers, but they all offer the same (limited) content;-)
No, they do not. If you had followed the links actually, you would have seen that magazine No.3 is planned to contain Red Hat Linux 9.B, but articles on Fedora Core. The older page referred to above still contains the previous plans of shipping Fedora Core around October 20th.
More specific: will Redhat Magazin ship with RHPW?
Ask Red Hat if you think http://www.redhatmagazine.com/ is inaccurate.
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On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 08:10, Friedhelm Betz wrote:
I thought, RH will stop selling boxes for end users
Ah, but that isn't what we said. ;-) Read the faq question more carefully - http://fedora.redhat.com/about/faq/
Havoc
Michael Schwendt wrote:
Professional Workstation is based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 WS.
Please check the various list archives, e.g. redhat-list, they are searchable. The product is an ongoing topic.
BTW, I work at an office where I have half a dozen RHAS 2.1 servers, and so *luckily* had access to the RHAS3 ISO's. I am testing them on a box now.
So far I am very happy, it has many of the upgrades you would want on RH9, such as the latest perl and recent Gnome/KDE/XFree86/Mozilla versions. And it seems to be 99% compatible with RH9 ( so if you had WineX, Crossover, win4lin, Evolution-Connector etc.... you should be able to get them to work with very little tweaking..) also, you can get apt/synaptic from fedora or freshrpms and you should be able to use most of the RH9 repos without too much trouble Of course I would suggest you only do this for the must have packages, like xmms-mp3 or mplayer for example... )
The OS seems rock solid, and very smooth and usable.
Really nice.
-Ben.
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