Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course since I skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues....
So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap so I can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi.
HI
What version of gedit are you using?
Marvin
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.comwrote:
Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course since I skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues....
So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap so I can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi.
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On 12/18/2013 12:55 PM, Marvin Kosmal wrote:
HI
What version of gedit are you using?
Wow! They also hid the about tab! and no /root/install.log and /var/log/yum.log only has what has occured since install! So how DO I find out what versin of gedit f20 base install is running????
I think the dumbing down has gone a bit too far. Even for me.
Marvin
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@htt-consult.com mailto:rgm@htt-consult.com> wrote:
Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course since I skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues.... So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap so I can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org> To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
On 12/18/2013 01:20 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Wow! They also hid the about tab! and no /root/install.log and /var/log/yum.log only has what has occured since install! So how DO I find out what versin of gedit f20 base install is running????
I think the dumbing down has gone a bit too far. Even for me.
Well, my F19 system says:
# rpm -q gedit gedit-3.8.3-1.fc19.x86_64
Would expect F20 to give you a similar answer...
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course since I skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues....
So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap so I can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi.
It uses appmenu in gnome-shell https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenu (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops
On 12/18/2013 01:25 PM, Tim Evans wrote:
On 12/18/2013 01:20 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Wow! They also hid the about tab! and no /root/install.log and /var/log/yum.log only has what has occured since install! So how DO I find out what versin of gedit f20 base install is running????
I think the dumbing down has gone a bit too far. Even for me.
Well, my F19 system says:
# rpm -q gedit
I tend to forget about rpm itself. Actually, when I DID use it, yum would get upset, so I fell into doing yum installlocal.
gedit-3.8.3-1.fc19.x86_64
gedit-3.10.2-1.f20.i686
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100 bitlord wrote:
(just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops
I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually get buttons in the app itself where they belong. Yet another reason to run as far away from Gnome as possible.
On 12/18/2013 01:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100 bitlord wrote:
(just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops
I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually get buttons in the app itself where they belong.*Yet another reason to run as far away from Gnome as possible.*
1+
On 12/18/2013 04:21 PM, Dan Thurman wrote:
On 12/18/2013 01:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100 bitlord wrote:
(just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops
I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually get buttons in the app itself where they belong.*Yet another reason to run as far away from Gnome as possible.*
1+
I am getting so close to pulling the plug on gnome. Just getting too hard to use with a mouse and keyboard.
would like to get back to something close to gnome 2. Like I still have on my Centos boxes.
Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot.
2013/12/18 Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com
On 12/18/2013 04:21 PM, Dan Thurman wrote:
On 12/18/2013 01:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100 bitlord wrote:
(just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops
I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually get buttons in the app itself where they belong. *Yet another reason to run as far away from Gnome as possible.*
1+
I am getting so close to pulling the plug on gnome. Just getting too hard to use with a mouse and keyboard.
would like to get back to something close to gnome 2. Like I still have on my Centos boxes.
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On 12/18/2013 05:20 PM, Dennis Kaptain wrote:
Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot.
This is selectable at install? I will most likely try again tomorrow...
2013/12/18 Robert Moskowitz <rgm@htt-consult.com mailto:rgm@htt-consult.com>
On 12/18/2013 04:21 PM, Dan Thurman wrote:On 12/18/2013 01:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100 bitlord wrote:(just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktopsI'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually get buttons in the app itself where they belong.*Yet another reason to run as far away from Gnome as possible.*1+I am getting so close to pulling the plug on gnome. Just getting too hard to use with a mouse and keyboard. would like to get back to something close to gnome 2. Like I still have on my Centos boxes. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org> To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org-- The LORD bless you and keep you; the LORD make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you; the LORD turn his face toward you and give you peace. Numbers 6:24-26
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Dennis Kaptain dennis.kaptain@gmail.com wrote:
Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot.
I'd roll Mate, Xfce and LXDE onto the box to see what you like.
On 12/18/2013 06:16 PM, Steven Rosenberg wrote:
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Dennis Kaptain dennis.kaptain@gmail.com wrote:
Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot.
I'd roll Mate, Xfce and LXDE onto the box to see what you like.
Only a 16GB SSD on this ASUS ee900. Kind of 'pressed' for space. I will give Mate a try first.
On 12/18/2013 02:20 PM, Dennis Kaptain wrote:
Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot.
2013/12/18 Robert Moskowitz <rgm@htt-consult.com mailto:rgm@htt-consult.com>
On 12/18/2013 04:21 PM, Dan Thurman wrote:On 12/18/2013 01:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100 bitlord wrote:(just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktopsI'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually get buttons in the app itself where they belong.*Yet another reason to run as far away from Gnome as possible.*1+I am getting so close to pulling the plug on gnome. Just getting too hard to use with a mouse and keyboard. would like to get back to something close to gnome 2. Like I still have on my Centos boxes.
I have MATE running on F18 - and it has a ways to go with ~/.gnome2 as opposed to ~/.gnome(3) user settings. MATE fails to save workspace settings, fails menu "reorganizations", uses caja/nautilus inconsistently, semi-fails XDMCP (Cannot log in remotely-unable to enter password), 'motion' does not work well on httpd+web browser and so on. There is more HD bloat (gnome2+gnome3) and it is a performance hog so a speedy MOBO/CPU/RAM is needed. The look and feel is pretty good, but it can get ugly sometimes.
I hope MATE & applications catches up to what it was before gnome-3.
On 18 December 2013 20:42, bitlord bitlord0xff@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course since I skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues....
So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap so I can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi.
It uses appmenu in gnome-shell https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenu (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops
AppMenu is only used when running under GNOME, when using any other DE it's not used.
FWIW, you can get the old behaviour back under GNOME by editing the 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides' key:
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides "{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
In some apps like gedit this should make the AppMenu contain only on entry "Quit", and Preferences and About are moved back to their place in the main gedit window. In some other apps, e.g. Nautilus, the Preferences and About entries are duplicated, so they appear twice once in the AppMenu and once in the menu you get when you click the gear icon on the Nautilus toolbar.
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On 12/19/2013 03:07 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 18 December 2013 20:42, bitlord bitlord0xff@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course since I skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues....
So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap so I can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi.
It uses appmenu in gnome-shell https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenu (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops
AppMenu is only used when running under GNOME, when using any other DE it's not used.
I do not have a program 'appmenu' installed. How do I get it?
FWIW, you can get the old behaviour back under GNOME by editing the 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides' key:
what file is this in?
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides "{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
In some apps like gedit this should make the AppMenu contain only on entry "Quit", and Preferences and About are moved back to their place in the main gedit window. In some other apps, e.g. Nautilus, the Preferences and About entries are duplicated, so they appear twice once in the AppMenu and once in the menu you get when you click the gear icon on the Nautilus toolbar.
thank you for the tips.
On 12/19/2013 09:02 PM, Edward M wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:07:01 +0200 Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 December 2013 20:42, bitlord bitlord0xff@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course since I skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues....
So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap so I can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi.
It uses appmenu in gnome-shell https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenu (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops
AppMenu is only used when running under GNOME, when using any other DE it's not used.
FWIW, you can get the old behaviour back under GNOME by editing the 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides' key:
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides "{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
In some apps like gedit this should make the AppMenu contain only on entry "Quit", and Preferences and About are moved back to their place in the main gedit window.
Confirm used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries appear within gedit.
What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap.
And for Nautilus the same. How do I switch to trees view from places?
Probably will need to take this to the gnome list. But there is no help-about so that I can find out what version of gnome we are running here to ask about.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Confirm used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries appear within gedit.
What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap.
When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and 'do not split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode". I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
Is this icon not visible in your install?
AV
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 17:32 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/18/2013 05:20 PM, Dennis Kaptain wrote:
Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot.
This is selectable at install?
The desktop environments that you can select at install time are pretty limited; I don't think MATE is on the list (although I could be wrong). But it's easily added after install with "yum groupinstall 'MATE Desktop'"
I'm not a Gnome 3 hater, I actually like it for the most part, now that it's a lot more customizable than it was when it first came out. But I still have some use cases where it doesn't work so well. For one thing, I have not yet figured out a way to launch an application on the second monitor of a dual-head setup. Even if the launch icon is located on the second screen, it always launches on the first screen. I can then move it over manually, but this isn't really a good option when the two "monitors" are really two different inputs to the same output device, and the application is windowless full-screen. MATE has the same issue. I ended up having to use Xfce on those machines. It's nice that there are choices.
--Greg
On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Confirm used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries appear within gedit.
What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap.
When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and 'do not split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode". I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
Is this icon not visible in your install?
Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet. I see that gedit icon on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right next to it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than one is open. But neither left or right click on this icon produced anything. No action at all. Perhaps you enabled something else first for gnome?
On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Confirm used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries appear within gedit.
What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap.
When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and 'do not split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode". I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
Is this icon not visible in your install?
Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
Please, do it right now.
I see that gedit icon on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right next to it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than one is open.
Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for switching between different copies of the same application, but for a drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by yourself, it is cheap!!
But neither left or right click on this icon produced anything. No action at all. Perhaps you enabled something else first for gnome?
Left click doesn't work? Maybe your mouse is broken.
On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Confirm used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries appear within gedit.
What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap.
When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and 'do not split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode". I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
Is this icon not visible in your install?
Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
Please, do it right now.
I see that gedit icon on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right next to it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than one is open.
Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for switching between different copies of the same application, but for a drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by yourself, it is cheap!!
I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only had one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
But neither left or right click on this icon produced anything. No action at all. Perhaps you enabled something else first for gnome?
Left click doesn't work? Maybe your mouse is broken.
On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Confirm used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries appear within gedit.
What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap.
When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and 'do not split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode". I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
Is this icon not visible in your install?
Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
Please, do it right now.
I see that gedit icon on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right next to it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than one is open.
Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for switching between different copies of the same application, but for a drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by yourself, it is cheap!!
I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only had one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit using sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this behavior is intentional, but I'm not sure.
But neither left or right click on this icon produced anything. No action at all. Perhaps you enabled something else first for gnome?
Left click doesn't work? Maybe your mouse is broken.
On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> Confirm > used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those > entries > appear within gedit. What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap.
When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and 'do not split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode". I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
Is this icon not visible in your install?
Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
Please, do it right now.
I see that gedit icon on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right next to it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than one is open.
Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for switching between different copies of the same application, but for a drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by yourself, it is cheap!!
I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only had one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit using sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this behavior is intentional, but I'm not sure.
So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping. Afterall vi wraps, but actually does it smarter.
I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let ME set preferences for gedit as root. But that begs the question on HOW to change the preferences for root.
On 12/19/2013 05:05 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> Confirm >> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those >> entries >> appear within gedit. > What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor > listed > items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on > settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word > wrap. When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and 'do not split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode". I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
Is this icon not visible in your install?
Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
Please, do it right now.
I see that gedit icon on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right next to it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than one is open.
Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for switching between different copies of the same application, but for a drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by yourself, it is cheap!!
I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only had one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit using sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this behavior is intentional, but I'm not sure.
So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping. Afterall vi wraps, but actually does it smarter.
I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let ME set preferences for gedit as root. But that begs the question on HOW to change the preferences for root.
Um, I may have missed the threads, but gedit works fine on F18/MATE.
On 12/19/2013 08:13 PM, Dan Thurman wrote:
On 12/19/2013 05:05 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote: > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > >>> Confirm >>> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those >>> entries >>> appear within gedit. >> What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor >> listed >> items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on >> settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word >> wrap. > When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears > in the > top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see > under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and > 'do not > split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for. > > I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode". > I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it). > > Is this icon not visible in your install?
Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
Please, do it right now.
I see that gedit icon on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right next to it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than one is open.
Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for switching between different copies of the same application, but for a drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by yourself, it is cheap!!
I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only had one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit using sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this behavior is intentional, but I'm not sure.
So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping. Afterall vi wraps, but actually does it smarter.
I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let ME set preferences for gedit as root. But that begs the question on HOW to change the preferences for root.
Um, I may have missed the threads, but gedit works fine on F18/MATE.
This behaviour, I think, came in f19. It only impacts sudo gedit not being able to access top bar. And that is a Gnome 3 feature. Doubt if Mate has it.
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:07:01 +0200 Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 December 2013 20:42, bitlord bitlord0xff@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course since I skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues....
So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap so I can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi.
It uses appmenu in gnome-shell https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenu (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops
AppMenu is only used when running under GNOME, when using any other DE it's not used.
FWIW, you can get the old behaviour back under GNOME by editing the 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides' key:
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides "{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
In some apps like gedit this should make the AppMenu contain only on entry "Quit", and Preferences and About are moved back to their place in the main gedit window.
Confirm used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries appear within gedit.
On 12/19/2013 10:05 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> Confirm >> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those >> entries >> appear within gedit. > What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed > items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on > settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap. When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and 'do not split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode". I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
Is this icon not visible in your install?
Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
Please, do it right now.
I see that gedit icon on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right next to it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than one is open.
Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for switching between different copies of the same application, but for a drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by yourself, it is cheap!!
I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only had one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit using sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this behavior is intentional, but I'm not sure.
So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping. Afterall vi wraps, but actually does it smarter.
I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let ME set preferences for gedit as root. But that begs the question on HOW to change the preferences for root.
Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root, I only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only VIM to edit files :)
Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root, I only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only VIM to edit files :)
Why?????
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On 12/19/2013 10:05 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote: > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz > wrote: > >>> Confirm >>> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those >>> entries >>> appear within gedit. >> What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor >> listed >> items and did not recognize anything to change that would >> turn on >> settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off >> word wrap. > When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears > in the > top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you > will see > under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and > 'do not > split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for. > > I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic > mode". > I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it). > > Is this icon not visible in your install?
Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
Please, do it right now.
I see that gedit icon on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right next to it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than one is open.
Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for switching between different copies of the same application, but for a drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by yourself, it is cheap!!
I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only had one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit using sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this behavior is intentional, but I'm not sure.
So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping. Afterall vi wraps, but actually does it smarter.
I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let ME set preferences for gedit as root. But that begs the question on HOW to change the preferences for root.
Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root, I only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only VIM to edit files :)
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On 20 December 2013 03:05, Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> Confirm >> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries >> appear within gedit. > > What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed > items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on > settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap.
When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and 'do not split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode". I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
Is this icon not visible in your install?
Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
Please, do it right now.
I see that gedit icon on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right next to it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than one is open.
Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for switching between different copies of the same application, but for a drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by yourself, it is cheap!!
I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only had one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit using sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this behavior is intentional, but I'm not sure.
So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping. Afterall vi wraps, but actually does it smarter.
I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let ME set preferences for gedit as root. But that begs the question on HOW to change the preferences for root.
I tested and yes the AppMenu doesn't show for apps run as root.
As I posted before, you can force apps run under gnome-shell to show all their menus in their own windows and not rely on AppMenu by running this command as user in terminal:
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides "{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
(or by using dconf-editor).
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On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:35:45 -0300 Germán A. Racca wrote:
Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root, I only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only VIM to edit files :)
This again? Please give a link to the giant list of exploits that have actually happened because someone ran a GUI program as root. I keep seeing this warning, yet no one has ever provided an actual example of any kind of root exploit happening.
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1953@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:35:45 -0300 Germán A. Racca wrote:
Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root, I only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only VIM to edit files :)
This again? Please give a link to the giant list of exploits that have actually happened because someone ran a GUI program as root. I keep seeing this warning, yet no one has ever provided an actual example of any kind of root exploit happening.
IIRC most comments are about not running the desktop itself as root, rather than specific apps.
poc
On 12/20/2013 06:20 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley <horsley1953@gmail.com mailto:horsley1953@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:35:45 -0300 Germán A. Racca wrote: > Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root, I > only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only VIM > to edit files :) This again? Please give a link to the giant list of exploits that have actually happened because someone ran a GUI program as root. I keep seeing this warning, yet no one has ever provided an actual example of any kind of root exploit happening.IIRC most comments are about not running the desktop itself as root, rather than specific apps.
You mean like lowering inittab to 3, logging in as root, then running startx so you can get the full root gui experience?
:)
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:42:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I tend to forget about rpm itself. Actually, when I DID use it, yum would get upset,
It doesn't. Yum warns that the RPM database has been modified by a tool other than Yum, but you're free to ignore that warning. Yum maintains a few own databases (see e.g. "yum history") in addition to the RPM db, and for packages installed/removed with plain "rpm", it won't be able to track them for features such as "yum history undo …".
On 12/20/2013 05:43 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 20 December 2013 03:05, Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote: > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > >>> Confirm >>> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries >>> appear within gedit. >> What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed >> items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on >> settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap. > When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the > top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see > under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and 'do not > split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for. > > I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode". > I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it). > > Is this icon not visible in your install?
Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
Please, do it right now.
I see that gedit icon on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right next to it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than one is open.
Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for switching between different copies of the same application, but for a drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by yourself, it is cheap!!
I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only had one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit using sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this behavior is intentional, but I'm not sure.
So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping. Afterall vi wraps, but actually does it smarter.
I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let ME set preferences for gedit as root. But that begs the question on HOW to change the preferences for root.
I tested and yes the AppMenu doesn't show for apps run as root.
As I posted before, you can force apps run under gnome-shell to show all their menus in their own windows and not rely on AppMenu by running this command as user in terminal:
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides "{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
OK. I did not follow you before that this was a command to run. Just did not look close enough at what you wrote.
So I ran this in a terminal as root then ran gedit as the next command and AppMenu is not in gedit. It is still on the top bar, not usable. So I am still not following this.
(or by using dconf-editor).
I did try dconf-editor, but can't figure out where it is in the tree.
On 12/20/2013 08:02 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:42:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I tend to forget about rpm itself. Actually, when I DID use it, yum would get upset,
It doesn't. Yum warns that the RPM database has been modified by a tool other than Yum, but you're free to ignore that warning. Yum maintains a few own databases (see e.g. "yum history") in addition to the RPM db, and for packages installed/removed with plain "rpm", it won't be able to track them for features such as "yum history undo …".
I did eventually figure that out. Still, I try for peace and harmony on my systems. ;)
Just got in the habit of yum localinstall, as that does the job of making sure you have all the dependencies right.
Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan <at> gmail.com> writes:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley <horsley1953 <at> gmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:35:45 -0300 Germán A. Racca wrote:
Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root, I only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only VIM to edit files :)
This again? Please give a link to the giant list of exploits that have actually happened because someone ran a GUI program as root. I keep seeing this warning, yet no one has ever provided an actual example of any kind of root exploit happening.
IIRC most comments are about not running the desktop itself as root,
rather than specific apps.
poc
I've found it isn't even something external or malicious. More along the lines of X won't start and one needs to edit xorg.conf (or its predecessors) to fix it using vim or emacs. I've seen people re-install because they couldn't fix X without a GUI editor or broke it worse because they totally jacked up xorg.conf using vi.
Cheers, Dave
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.comwrote:
You mean like lowering inittab to 3, logging in as root, then running startx so you can get the full root gui experience?
No, I mean logging into the desktop as root rather than as a normal user. This is generally frowned on.
poc
On 12/20/2013 05:43 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 20 December 2013 03:05, Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote: > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > >>> Confirm >>> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries >>> appear within gedit. >> What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed >> items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on >> settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap. > When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the > top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see > under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and 'do not > split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for. > > I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode". > I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it). > > Is this icon not visible in your install?
Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
Please, do it right now.
I see that gedit icon on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right next to it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than one is open.
Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for switching between different copies of the same application, but for a drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by yourself, it is cheap!!
I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only had one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit using sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this behavior is intentional, but I'm not sure.
So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping. Afterall vi wraps, but actually does it smarter.
I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let ME set preferences for gedit as root. But that begs the question on HOW to change the preferences for root.
I tested and yes the AppMenu doesn't show for apps run as root.
As I posted before, you can force apps run under gnome-shell to show all their menus in their own windows and not rely on AppMenu by running this command as user in terminal:
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides "{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
ALL RIGHT!!!! This works! Thanks for all the private help to run it right as user. gedit shelled to root now has preferences so I was able to turn off text wrap.
Also makes Nautilus behave better IMHO. But I still can't get trees instead of places. Have found out how to get folders showing trees, but not on the left. Makes dragging and dropping a real drag.
On 12/20/2013 10:03 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@htt-consult.com mailto:rgm@htt-consult.com> wrote:
You mean like lowering inittab to 3, logging in as root, then running startx so you can get the full root gui experience?No, I mean logging into the desktop as root rather than as a normal user. This is generally frowned on.
Isn't this pretty much the same? Once you lower inittab to 3, there is no problem logging in as root. startx then gives you your root gui.
What am I missing.
BTW, I use to do this until I finally buckled down and got decent at doing what I needed in a su terminal session. And I DO use vi a lot. I have been using it since '93 and never graduated to emacs; still have my original O'Reilly vi book.
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.comwrote:
On 12/20/2013 10:03 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.comwrote:
You mean like lowering inittab to 3, logging in as root, then running startx so you can get the full root gui experience?
No, I mean logging into the desktop as root rather than as a normal user. This is generally frowned on.
Isn't this pretty much the same? Once you lower inittab to 3, there is no problem logging in as root. startx then gives you your root gui.
What am I missing.
You seem to have got hold of the wrong end of the stick. I'm not trying to explain how to get root in a desktop. I'm just saying that this is often cited as a bad idea. The argument is that you should get root for a specific task (such as editing a system file) and then give it up at once. Running the desktop as root means you're going to be doing all sorts of things that don't actually need root, thus increasing the security threat. It's an aspect of the Principle of Least Privilege. Added to that, the X system itself has in the past had a number of vulnerabilities which would make running the desktop under root more dangerous.
poc
On 12/20/2013 10:23 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@htt-consult.com mailto:rgm@htt-consult.com> wrote:
On 12/20/2013 10:03 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@htt-consult.com <mailto:rgm@htt-consult.com>> wrote: You mean like lowering inittab to 3, logging in as root, then running startx so you can get the full root gui experience? No, I mean logging into the desktop as root rather than as a normal user. This is generally frowned on.Isn't this pretty much the same? Once you lower inittab to 3, there is no problem logging in as root. startx then gives you your root gui. What am I missing.You seem to have got hold of the wrong end of the stick. I'm not trying to explain how to get root in a desktop. I'm just saying that this is often cited as a bad idea. The argument is that you should get root for a specific task (such as editing a system file) and then give it up at once. Running the desktop as root means you're going to be doing all sorts of things that don't actually need root, thus increasing the security threat. It's an aspect of the Principle of Least Privilege. Added to that, the X system itself has in the past had a number of vulnerabilities which would make running the desktop under root more dangerous.
Got it now. We are both on the same side of the page. Just got there from different directions.
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:05:49 -0500 Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com wrote:
On 12/19/2013 09:02 PM, Edward M wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:07:01 +0200 Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 December 2013 20:42, bitlord bitlord0xff@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course since I skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues....
So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap so I can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi.
It uses appmenu in gnome-shell https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenu (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops
AppMenu is only used when running under GNOME, when using any other DE it's not used.
FWIW, you can get the old behaviour back under GNOME by editing the 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides' key:
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides "{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
In some apps like gedit this should make the AppMenu contain only on entry "Quit", and Preferences and About are moved back to their place in the main gedit window.
Confirm used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries appear within gedit.
What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on settings/preferences in gedit
Sorry for the late reply. I'm sure you probably already have it figured, this is what i did. I logged into my Fedora desktop as regular user; opened a Terminal; logged in as root using su -; typed dconf-editor- on dconf-editor's left pane, I just followed org -> gnome-> settings-daemon-> plugins -> xsettings submenu, then on dconf-editor's right window - I added {'Gtk/ShellsShowsAppMenu': <0>} next to overrides entry and that restored preferences within gedit,etc.
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:21:23 -0800 Edward M edwardm1@live.com wrote:
logged in as root using su -;
CORRECTION: Sorry i typed it like this it my be confusing. I meant to say I logged in as root by typing su -
On 12/19/2013 09:07 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote:
AppMenu is only used when running under GNOME, when using any other DE it's not used.
FWIW, you can get the old behaviour back under GNOME by editing the 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides' key:
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides "{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
As the App Menu works bad when using multiple windows and focus follow mouse, this should perhaps be a part of gnome-tweak-tool (a tick box there to chose App Menu or not), so one doesn't have to dig into dconf with dconf-editor. Will make life a tad easier for the ordinary user.
I should perhaps write a RFE on that...
Lars
On 26 December 2013 20:00, Lars E. Pettersson lars@homer.se wrote:
On 12/19/2013 09:07 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote:
AppMenu is only used when running under GNOME, when using any other DE it's not used.
FWIW, you can get the old behaviour back under GNOME by editing the 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides' key:
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides "{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
As the App Menu works bad when using multiple windows and focus follow mouse, this should perhaps be a part of gnome-tweak-tool (a tick box there to chose App Menu or not), so one doesn't have to dig into dconf with dconf-editor. Will make life a tad easier for the ordinary user.
I should perhaps write a RFE on that...
I didn't know it at the time, but it looks like they have already added such an option in gnome-tweak-tool -> Top Bar -> "Show Application Menu" in GNOME 3.10.
Lars
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On 01/03/2014 06:17 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 26 December 2013 20:00, Lars E. Pettersson lars@homer.se wrote:
...
As the App Menu works bad when using multiple windows and focus follow mouse, this should perhaps be a part of gnome-tweak-tool (a tick box there to chose App Menu or not), so one doesn't have to dig into dconf with dconf-editor. Will make life a tad easier for the ordinary user.
I should perhaps write a RFE on that...
I didn't know it at the time, but it looks like they have already added such an option in gnome-tweak-tool -> Top Bar -> "Show Application Menu" in GNOME 3.10.
Ah, that seems to be the solution, had missed that. Then I don't need to file a RFE :)
Thanks!
Lars
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