Re: TV over the internet

[R. G. Newbury]

On 01/11/2010 06:08 PM, [e-mail] wrote:
William Case wrote:
> > > > > Hi Tim;
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a TV tuner card with my computer connected to my cable.  It's
> > > > >  great.  I prefer it to having my computer connected to my TV.
> > >
> > > What application do you use for watching? I've been looking for something user
> > >  friendly to give some people still on FC4 because they can understand xawtv and
> > >  all the easy to use applications stopped working. They rejected MythTV at the
> > >  point where it said "have your DBA set up a database..." and I have not found
> > >  anything which can handle clear-QAM, over the air digital, and NTSC without
> > >  asking for user entered channel frequencies in MHz or other things these people
> > >  aren't about to do.
> > >
> > > Note: even if I was willing to set it up for them for free, they would expect
> > >  support at the same price, advice I give them, time consuming work not so much.
>
> I use TVTime.  It does one thing only, but it does it well.  It gives me
> my cable TV.
>
> It is easy to install and configure and just keeps on ticking.
>
> (Actually it does more than one thing, but there is no doubt that it's
> main purpose is to run a TV tuner card for TV viewing.)

Still on FC4???? On a Pentium 3 too I presume?

Clear-QAM and OTA require an ATSC tuner, while an NTSC tuner is needed 
for analog cable. There are tuner units which will do both, although not 
all will do so simultaneously.

Mythdora is a Fedora based, all in one install of mythtv. It will set up 
everything you need from one iso image. And Mythtv has definitely NOT 
required 'your DBA to set up a database' since well before Fedora 4. If 
your hardware is known to Fedora, then mythtv will not require any 
'channel entered frequencies'. You merely select the proper tuning 
basis, such as US-Broadcast or US-cable when setting up the tuner(s).

At the moment, the problematic area is setting up QAM on cable channels 
due to the cablecos using their own variable channel numbers for the 
channels (and generally, not including proper PSIP infor in the stream). 
That is, of course, where the cableco actually provides some clear 
QAM...which Rogers Cable in Canada, for example, has not done since June 
2007.
Geoff

TV over the internet

[kevin]

> > > > > > I have a TV tuner card with my computer connected to my cable.  It's
> > > > > >  great.  I prefer it to having my computer connected to my TV.

One thing that I learned was that you have to have your cable strung as 
close to the pole as possible and not run off a splitter. I had mine 
strung with a splitter running both my road runner and digital cable 
signal. The tv tuner qam didn't work. I called both the people that I 
purchased the card from and the cable company, and only the store knew 
that I had it run off a splitter. I then called the cable company back 
and had them send someone out and get me a cable right to the source on 
the pole. Viola I have tv now. Would have saved a lot of grief and time 
if I knew that to begin with.
Thanks,
Kevin

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TV over the internet

[Mark Mahabir]

It's not really linux supported but I have these guys hosting a
Slingbox for me in the US:

http://statesidetv.net

The SlingPlayer software is free, officially supported for Windoze and
Mac and possibly maybe you might be able to get it running via Wine,
see here:

http://www.slingcommunity.com/article/17253/How-To-Run-SlingPlayer-on-Linux-...

YMMV.

Mark

TV over the internet

[Ed Greshko]

Mark Mahabir wrote:
> The SlingPlayer software is free, officially supported for Windoze and
> Mac and possibly maybe you might be able to get it running via Wine,
> see here:
>
> http://www.slingcommunity.com/article/17253/How-To-Run-SlingPlayer-on-Linux-...
>
> YMMV.

FYI, that information is outdated.  With the newer versions of
SlingPlayer it is not possible to run it under wine.

TV over the internet

[Mark Mahabir]

2010/1/14 Ed Greshko :
> Mark Mahabir wrote:
> > The SlingPlayer software is free, officially supported for Windoze and
> > Mac and possibly maybe you might be able to get it running via Wine,
> > see here:
> >
> > http://www.slingcommunity.com/article/17253/How-To-Run-SlingPlayer-on-Linux-...
> >
> > YMMV.
>
> FYI, that information is outdated.  With the newer versions of
> SlingPlayer it is not possible to run it under wine.

One can still get version 1 of the software. I've just heard a friend
of mine has it working on Debian.

Mark

TV over the internet

[Ed Greshko]

Mark Mahabir wrote:
> 2010/1/14 Ed Greshko :
> > Mark Mahabir wrote:
> > > The SlingPlayer software is free, officially supported for Windoze and
> > > Mac and possibly maybe you might be able to get it running via Wine,
> > > see here:
> > >
> > > http://www.slingcommunity.com/article/17253/How-To-Run-SlingPlayer-on-Linux-...
> > >
> > > YMMV.
> >
> > FYI, that information is outdated.  With the newer versions of
> > SlingPlayer it is not possible to run it under wine.
>
> One can still get version 1 of the software. I've just heard a friend
> of mine has it working on Debian.

Yes, you can.  However, one will miss out on the new features as well as
better quality video with the new player.

TV over the internet

[j.halifax .]

Thanx for your kind info. :)
> ------------ Původní zpráva ------------
> Od: Ed Greshko 
> Předmět: Re: TV over the internet
> Datum: 15.1.2010 00:22:58
>
> Mark Mahabir wrote:
> > The SlingPlayer software is free, officially supported for Windoze and
> > Mac and possibly maybe you might be able to get it running via Wine,
> > see here:
>
> http://www.slingcommunity.com/article/17253/How-To-Run-SlingPlayer-on-Linux-...
> > YMMV.
>
> FYI, that information is outdated.  With the newer versions of
> SlingPlayer it is not possible to run it under wine.

TV over the internet

[j.halifax .]

Thank you for your response...

Probably I didn't say what I want clearly enough. I want to receive
TV from satellite and stream (re-broadcast) it in my LAN. :)
Leos
> It's not really linux supported but I have these guys hosting a
> Slingbox for me in the US:
>
> http://statesidetv.net
>
> The SlingPlayer software is free, officially supported for Windoze and
> Mac and possibly maybe you might be able to get it running via Wine,
> see here:
>
> http://www.slingcommunity.com/article/17253/How-To-Run-SlingPlayer-on-Linux-...
>
> YMMV.
> Mark
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[Ed Greshko]

j.halifax . wrote:
> Thank you for your response...
>
> Probably I didn't say what I want clearly enough. I want to receive
> TV from satellite and stream (re-broadcast) it in my LAN. :)

As mentioned by the earlier respondent, that can be achieved with a 
slingbox.

I have both a SlingBox hosted in the US so I can watch TV from the US as
well as a SlingBox here in Taiwan so my  brother-in-law can watch Taiwan
TV in Abu Dhabi.  But, I also watch  that "local" SlingBox via wifi at
times.  So, it is "streamed" within my LAN.  Yes, it is a Windows
solution.  I confess to using an alternate O/S when it fits my needs.

If you want a pure linux solution you'd first have to get a TV-Card for
your system with the ability to connect to a satellite receiver and then
use something like vlc to do the streaming within your LAN.  I did that
a long time ago...so I can't really advise as to the set up.

TV over the internet

[j.halifax .]

> If you want a pure linux solution you'd first have to get a TV-Card for
> your system with the ability to connect to a satellite receiver and then
> use something like vlc to do the streaming within your LAN.  I did that
> a long time ago...so I can't really advise as to the set up.

Yes, that experience that you "can't really advise" I am looking for. 
I.e. which TV card works w/ vlc under fc12 well and so. :)
Thank you.
Leos
> ------------ Původní zpráva ------------
> Od: Ed Greshko 
> Předmět: Re: TV over the internet
> Datum: 15.1.2010 00:43:39
>
> j.halifax . wrote:
> > Thank you for your response...
> >
> > Probably I didn't say what I want clearly enough. I want to receive
> > TV from satellite and stream (re-broadcast) it in my LAN. :)
>
> As mentioned by the earlier respondent, that can be achieved with a 
> slingbox.
>
> I have both a SlingBox hosted in the US so I can watch TV from the US as
> well as a SlingBox here in Taiwan so my  brother-in-law can watch Taiwan
> TV in Abu Dhabi.  But, I also watch  that "local" SlingBox via wifi at
> times.  So, it is "streamed" within my LAN.  Yes, it is a Windows
> solution.  I confess to using an alternate O/S when it fits my needs.
>
> If you want a pure linux solution you'd first have to get a TV-Card for
> your system with the ability to connect to a satellite receiver and then
> use something like vlc to do the streaming within your LAN.  I did that
> a long time ago...so I can't really advise as to the set up.

TV over the internet

[Ed Greshko]

j.halifax . wrote:
> > If you want a pure linux solution you'd first have to get a TV-Card for
> > your system with the ability to connect to a satellite receiver and then
> > use something like vlc to do the streaming within your LAN.  I did that
> > a long time ago...so I can't really advise as to the set up.
>
> Yes, that experience that you "can't really advise" I am looking for. 
> I.e. which TV card works w/ vlc under fc12 well and so. :

This *may* help.....

I did my own research way back when.  I first found out what I could
about TV cards in general.  I found what chipsets were used most often. 
I then looked in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/media/video to
see what modules were there and what chipsets were represented.

At that time the best supported chipsets that were also easy to obtain
in Taiwan were Bt8XX.  So, I went out and bought that and everything
worked just fine.  I still use that in my RHELv4 system with xdtv.

The info is out there.  It may not exist on this list.  :-)

TV over the internet

[j.halifax .]

Thanx for your methodology! :))
Leos
> ------------ Původní zpráva ------------
> Od: Ed Greshko 
> Předmět: Re: TV over the internet
> Datum: 15.1.2010 02:02:29
>
> j.halifax . wrote:
> > > If you want a pure linux solution you'd first have to get a TV-Card for
> > > your system with the ability to connect to a satellite receiver and then
> > > use something like vlc to do the streaming within your LAN.  I did that
> > > a long time ago...so I can't really advise as to the set up.
> >
> > Yes, that experience that you "can't really advise" I am looking for. 
> > I.e. which TV card works w/ vlc under fc12 well and so. :
>
> This *may* help.....
>
> I did my own research way back when.  I first found out what I could
> about TV cards in general.  I found what chipsets were used most often. 
> I then looked in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/media/video to
> see what modules were there and what chipsets were represented.
>
> At that time the best supported chipsets that were also easy to obtain
> in Taiwan were Bt8XX.  So, I went out and bought that and everything
> worked just fine.  I still use that in my RHELv4 system with xdtv.
>
> The info is out there.  It may not exist on this list.  :-)