delayed messages

[lee]

Hi,

how long do the moderators intend to delay my messages?

It seems that the code of conduct the moderators are referring to
actually means that everyone who disagrees will be silenced.  If that is
so, just say so.

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 00:55:51 +0200
lee  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> how long do the moderators intend to delay my messages?

If you are referring to the ones in the 'why do we use systemd?' thread
then I suspect it's forever, as that thread was closed.
> It seems that the code of conduct the moderators are referring to
> actually means that everyone who disagrees will be silenced.  If that
> is so, just say so.

That's not the case.

Anyone is welcome to disagree or agree with anyone about anything.

However, this list's topic is:

"This list provides community assistance, encouragement, and advice for
Fedora users. Topics outside of that are generally not appropriate for
this list. Please keep in mind that there are many thousands of
subscribers and do your best to remain on-topic and courteous."

You are welcome to say whatever you like, but if you drift off the
topic of this list, or break the code of conduct, the Fedora Project is
in no way obligated to provide you the use of it's resources to do so.

kevin

[lee]

Kevin Fenzi  writes:
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 00:55:51 +0200
> lee  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > how long do the moderators intend to delay my messages?
>
> If you are referring to the ones in the 'why do we use systemd?' thread
> then I suspect it's forever, as that thread was closed.

Then I should have received a notification that my messages are being
delayed indefinitely.
> > It seems that the code of conduct the moderators are referring to
> > actually means that everyone who disagrees will be silenced.  If that
> > is so, just say so.
>
> That's not the case.
>
> Anyone is welcome to disagree or agree with anyone about anything.
>
> However, this list's topic is:
>
> "This list provides community assistance, encouragement, and advice for
> Fedora users. Topics outside of that are generally not appropriate for
> this list. Please keep in mind that there are many thousands of
> subscribers and do your best to remain on-topic and courteous."
>
> You are welcome to say whatever you like, but if you drift off the
> topic of this list, or break the code of conduct, the Fedora Project is
> in no way obligated to provide you the use of it's resources to do so.

I have neither been offtopic, not did I break the conduct, if you go by
what it says.  So yes, it obviously means that anyone who doesn't
agree will be silenced.

[g]

On 07/14/2014 07:15 PM, lee wrote:
<>
> Then I should have received a notification that my messages are being
> delayed indefinitely.

<>
> I have neither been offtopic, not did I break the conduct, if you go by
> what it says.  So yes, it obviously means that anyone who doesn't
> agree will be silenced.

have you looked at headers of your posted emails to see just where
they are getting delayed.

[lee]

g  writes:
> On 07/14/2014 07:15 PM, lee wrote:
> <>
> > Then I should have received a notification that my messages are being
> > delayed indefinitely.
>
> <>
> > I have neither been offtopic, not did I break the conduct, if you go by
> > what it says.  So yes, it obviously means that anyone who doesn't
> > agree will be silenced.
>
> have you looked at headers of your posted emails to see just where
> they are getting delayed.

No, I got a notification that messages are being withheld for moderation
and never received the messages, so I don't have any headers to look at.
Since it's bee a few days, I thought I'd ask what happened to them.

And there still hasn't been a clear answer :(

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/15/14 15:15, lee wrote:
> And there still hasn't been a clear answer :(

All on the list were collectively notified that the thread with Subject "why do we use systemd?" had been terminated.

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2014-July/451741.html

If anyone sent any messages referencing that thread they have been sent to the bit-bucket.

I suppose it would could have been made more clear had a "reject" notice been sent rather than a "moderation" notification.  I don't know the abilities of the mailing list software used....but maybe there is a deficiency in that regards.  (Don't know....and don't really see the need to research it.)

In any event it should be clear that no one in particular has been targeted by this action.  It is just that the thread was judged to have out lived it useful nature when balanced against the aim/purpose of the mailing list.

[Jared K. Smith]

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:38 AM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
> All on the list were collectively notified that the thread with Subject
> "why do we use systemd?" had been terminated.
>
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2014-July/451741.html
>
> If anyone sent any messages referencing that thread they have been sent to
> the bit-bucket.

And, just to be explicit, I went to the moderation queue and explicitly
rejected any outstanding messages on that thread.  I was offline all
weekend and tied up in meetings yesterday, but I'll try to keep a closer
eye on the moderation queue.

--
Jared Smith