Hi,
I have a laptop with its own keyboard which lacks a keypad, and a USB keyboard with a keypad. I plug in the keyboard and the keypad doesn't work anywhere in Fedora. So... how do I make that work?
I don't care for it to work in the console, I only care if it works in GNOME Calculator really.
Thanks,
On 16/05/17 11:19, Chris Murphy wrote:
Hi,
I have a laptop with its own keyboard which lacks a keypad, and a USB keyboard with a keypad. I plug in the keyboard and the keypad doesn't work anywhere in Fedora. So... how do I make that work?
I don't care for it to work in the console, I only care if it works in GNOME Calculator really.
It might sound silly but does it have a NumLock-key that needs to be pressed?
Niels
On 05/17/2016 10:19 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Hi,
I have a laptop with its own keyboard which lacks a keypad, and a USB keyboard with a keypad. I plug in the keyboard and the keypad doesn't work anywhere in Fedora. So... how do I make that work?
I don't care for it to work in the console, I only care if it works in GNOME Calculator really.
Just a wild idea, but if the main keyboard has a numlock key, try toggling it and use the keypad. The system may be treating the keypad as cursor control.
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On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Rick Stevens ricks@alldigital.com wrote:
On 05/17/2016 10:19 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Hi,
I have a laptop with its own keyboard which lacks a keypad, and a USB keyboard with a keypad. I plug in the keyboard and the keypad doesn't work anywhere in Fedora. So... how do I make that work?
I don't care for it to work in the console, I only care if it works in GNOME Calculator really.
Just a wild idea, but if the main keyboard has a numlock key, try toggling it and use the keypad. The system may be treating the keypad as cursor control.
The keyboard does not have a numlock key.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Rick Stevens ricks@alldigital.com wrote:
On 05/17/2016 10:19 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Hi,
I have a laptop with its own keyboard which lacks a keypad, and a USB keyboard with a keypad. I plug in the keyboard and the keypad doesn't work anywhere in Fedora. So... how do I make that work?
I don't care for it to work in the console, I only care if it works in GNOME Calculator really.
Just a wild idea, but if the main keyboard has a numlock key, try toggling it and use the keypad. The system may be treating the keypad as cursor control.
Hmmm, the numbers are indeed acting as navigation control in a gedit document.
So what I need is a software numlock. Maybe some kind of conf file setting.
On 05/17/2016 02:35 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Rick Stevens ricks@alldigital.com wrote:
Just a wild idea, but if the main keyboard has a numlock key, try toggling it and use the keypad. The system may be treating the keypad as cursor control.
The keyboard does not have a numlock key.
Are you really sure? I've never seen a keyboard without a numlock key, but sometimes it's somewhat hidden. But besides that, I think the numlock state is global, so as Rick suggested, try turning on the numlock on the laptop keyboard. However, be aware that turning on numlock will probably mess up your laptop keyboard as they usually have the number pad overlaying the right side of the keyboard.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Samuel Sieb samuel@sieb.net wrote:
On 05/17/2016 02:35 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Rick Stevens ricks@alldigital.com wrote:
Just a wild idea, but if the main keyboard has a numlock key, try toggling it and use the keypad. The system may be treating the keypad as cursor control.
The keyboard does not have a numlock key.
Are you really sure? I've never seen a keyboard without a numlock key, but sometimes it's somewhat hidden.
I am really sure there is no numlock key on this keyboard. If it's hidden, I'd identify it how? Every key has a label, some have two, none are numlock or anything that could possibly be interpreted as being numlock.
But besides that, I think the numlock state is global, so as Rick suggested, try turning on the numlock on the laptop keyboard.
There is no numlock key on the laptop keyboard.
However, be aware that turning on numlock will probably mess up your laptop keyboard as they usually have the number pad overlaying the right side of the keyboard.
This sounds like a relic of a bygone era that I'm running into.
On 05/17/2016 07:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
I am really sure there is no numlock key on this keyboard. If it's hidden, I'd identify it how? Every key has a label, some have two, none are numlock or anything that could possibly be interpreted as being numlock.
Do you have a brand name and/or model number? If so, it might be worth trying a little googlemancy.
On 05/17/2016 07:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Samuel Sieb samuel@sieb.net wrote:
On 05/17/2016 02:35 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Rick Stevens ricks@alldigital.com wrote:
Just a wild idea, but if the main keyboard has a numlock key, try toggling it and use the keypad. The system may be treating the keypad as cursor control.
The keyboard does not have a numlock key.
Are you really sure? I've never seen a keyboard without a numlock key, but sometimes it's somewhat hidden.
I am really sure there is no numlock key on this keyboard. If it's hidden, I'd identify it how? Every key has a label, some have two, none are numlock or anything that could possibly be interpreted as being numlock.
The external keyboard is a full keyboard and doesn't have a numlock key or it's just the number pad? Try installing the numlockx package and see if that helps. On my laptop, using that program to turn on the numlock does not affect the embedded number pad on my laptop the same way as using the numlock key, but maybe it will work for your external one.
On Tue, 2016-05-17 at 17:31 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
besides that, I think the numlock state is global
Not on my (out-of-date) systems. I have full keyboards, laptops without numberpads, and an external USB numberpad. None of them have any affect on the external numberpad when I play with the NumLock key, and that's how it should be. Any modifiers should only affect their own keyboard.
Personally, I see absolutely no value in turning a numberpad into a second set of cursor controls, when the keyboard has dedicated sets of keys for those functions (cursor LRUD, home/end, page up/down, INS/DEL). It's duplicating something that's already there, and set-out better, and removing a useful feature (a sensibly organised numberpad).
On 05/17/2016 09:34 PM, Tim wrote:
On Tue, 2016-05-17 at 17:31 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
besides that, I think the numlock state is global
Not on my (out-of-date) systems. I have full keyboards, laptops without numberpads, and an external USB numberpad. None of them have any affect on the external numberpad when I play with the NumLock key, and that's how it should be. Any modifiers should only affect their own keyboard.
My understanding is that he is using a full keyboard that has a number pad, not a standalone number pad.
On 05/17/2016 07:23 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 05/17/2016 07:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
I am really sure there is no numlock key on this keyboard. If it's hidden, I'd identify it how? Every key has a label, some have two, none are numlock or anything that could possibly be interpreted as being numlock.
The external keyboard is a full keyboard and doesn't have a numlock key or it's just the number pad? Try installing the numlockx package and see if that helps. On my laptop, using that program to turn on the numlock does not affect the embedded number pad on my laptop the same way as using the numlock key, but maybe it will work for your external one.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find a USB full keyboard right now, so I used a PS/2 keyboard through a USB converter. There were some odd issues with the numlock on it, but I was still able to get the answers I was looking for.
The capslock and numlock states are global. Change it on one keyboard and all keyboards get updated and function accordingly. Except the laptop keyboard apparently does some internal magic and will only switch the overlayed numpad if the numlock on the laptop keyboard is used. But if I use the laptop numlock key, then the number pad on the external keyboard is switched as well. Using a USB number pad, the numlock state has no effect on it as expected.
In summary, that numlockx program should solve your problem although I'm still very confused that you have a full keyboard with a number pad but no numlock key... Any chance of a photo?
On Wed, 2016-05-18 at 00:47 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
My understanding is that he is using a full keyboard that has a number pad, not a standalone number pad.
Ah, I was misreading keyboard WITH a numberpad as keyboard AND a numberpad.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Joe Zeff joe@zeff.us wrote:
On 05/17/2016 07:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
I am really sure there is no numlock key on this keyboard. If it's hidden, I'd identify it how? Every key has a label, some have two, none are numlock or anything that could possibly be interpreted as being numlock.
Do you have a brand name and/or model number? If so, it might be worth trying a little googlemancy.
It's an Apple keyboard, maybe six years old but I don't ever recall seeing an Apple keyboard with numlock because there was never such a thing as navigation by keypad on Macs.
https://goo.gl/photos/AXNSYdsd91S49kb97
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Samuel Sieb samuel@sieb.net wrote:
The external keyboard is a full keyboard and doesn't have a numlock key or it's just the number pad? Try installing the numlockx package and see if that helps.
That did the trick *and* the rest of the keyboard, and the laptop keyboard, function normally. So I kinda wonder why this isn't the default in GNOME. Ha, I'll file a bug and find out what happens.
On 05/18/2016 08:04 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Joe Zeff joe@zeff.us wrote:
On 05/17/2016 07:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
I am really sure there is no numlock key on this keyboard. If it's hidden, I'd identify it how? Every key has a label, some have two, none are numlock or anything that could possibly be interpreted as being numlock.
Do you have a brand name and/or model number? If so, it might be worth trying a little googlemancy.
It's an Apple keyboard, maybe six years old but I don't ever recall seeing an Apple keyboard with numlock because there was never such a thing as navigation by keypad on Macs.
Now that would have been very useful to mention right at the start. Apple hardware tends to be "different". And I would have understood the lack of numlock. :-)
On 05/18/2016 08:16 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Samuel Sieb samuel@sieb.net wrote:
The external keyboard is a full keyboard and doesn't have a numlock key or it's just the number pad? Try installing the numlockx package and see if that helps.
That did the trick *and* the rest of the keyboard, and the laptop keyboard, function normally. So I kinda wonder why this isn't the default in GNOME. Ha, I'll file a bug and find out what happens.
On desktops, the default is numlock on. For most laptops, having the numlock default on would be a disaster as the number pad is overlayed on the rest of the keyboard. Add numlockx to your X (Gnome?) startup list. In case you don't know, just add a .desktop file in .config/autostart for it.
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