what is the IIim service?

[Lewis Bloch]

What is the IIim service?

I don't know if it's something that came with FC2 or that I installed 
and forgot.

I see it my 'chkconfig --list' as
IIim   0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:off   6:off

system-config-services tells me that it's "a major component of IIIMSF", 
but I don't know what that is.

It also tells me that 'htt is stopped' on this service.

[Filippos Klironomos]

> system-config-services tells me that it's "a major component of IIIMSF",
> but I don't know what that is.

http://www.openi18n.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=in...

[Jens-Ulrik Petersen]

Lew Bloch wrote:
> What is the IIim service?
> I don't know if it's something that came with FC2 or that I installed 
> and forgot.

iiimf-server comes with FC2: you probably did an everything install?

In FC3 the IIim script has been renamed to "iiim".  IIIM stands for
Internet/Intranet Input Method.

Jens

[laurence orchard]

On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 06:38, Jens Petersen wrote:
> Lew Bloch wrote:
> > What is the IIim service?
> > I don't know if it's something that came with FC2 or that I installed 
> > and forgot.
>
> iiimf-server comes with FC2: you probably did an everything install?
>
> In FC3 the IIim script has been renamed to "iiim".  IIIM stands for
> Internet/Intranet Input Method.
>
> Jens

Great!

Now what does it do??
and how if that is an appropriate question?

[Joel]

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:06:13 +0000
Laurence Orchard  wrote
> On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 06:38, Jens Petersen wrote:
> > Lew Bloch wrote:
> > > What is the IIim service?
> > > I don't know if it's something that came with FC2 or that I installed 
> > > and forgot.
> >
> > iiimf-server comes with FC2: you probably did an everything install?
> >
> > In FC3 the IIim script has been renamed to "iiim".  IIIM stands for
> > Internet/Intranet Input Method.
> >
> > Jens
>
> Great!
>
> Now what does it do??
> and how if that is an appropriate question?

What it does, at any rate, is watch the keyboard and interpret sequences
of keys as input for languages in which the 54/76/106 key keyboard isn't
enough or is not appropriate. You can shift into whatever language input
method is active with control-space.

For instance, one way of typing Japanese characters is to type the
pronunciation as a series of Latin (Roman) characters. The input method
for Japanese collects the sequence and converts it to kana as you type.
For example,

k
    ka->か
    かn
    かな

At some point, you hit the convert key (space bar on "standard" PC
keyboards), and the input method then converts the pronunciation to list
of possible ideographs, and you use the convert key or arrow keys to
select the desired ideograph. Continuing the example above, pressing the
space bar after the second "a" would give you something like the
following list:

かな->かな
          カナ
          仮名
          金

And so forth. Chinese has a similar pronunciation based input method
which is not much used, and a method based on the shape of the ideograph.
Other languages with large numbers of characters or some other
non-linear typing issues use similar, but different techniques.

HTH

[Joel]

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:38:17 +0900
Joel  wrote

bleaugh
> ...
>     k
>     ka->か
>     かn
>     かな
> ...
> かな->かな
>       カナ
>       仮名
>       金

k
    ka->か
    かn
    かna->かな
    かな<space>->|かな|
                 |カナ|
                 |仮名|
                 |金  |
                 |... |

Might be easier to understand that way.

[Mark Sargent]

Hi Joel,

see you are in Japan, yes..? Mind if I go off topic a little, and ask what
ya do..? Are you a pro in Linux here..? I'm in Tokyo myself. Just starting
out with Linux/Fedora. Anyway, cheers, as I don't wanna bother you if you
don't wanne be bothered..lol..cheers.

Mark Sargent.

[Stephan Matthiesen]

Hi,

Am Dienstag, 9. November 2004 09:38 schrieb Joel:
> For instance, one way of typing Japanese characters is to type the
> pronunciation as a series of Latin (Roman) characters. The input method
> for Japanese collects the sequence and converts it to kana as you type.

A quick question: Does it require a language setting (LANG=ja_JP or 
LC_CTYPE=ja_JP like the old kinput2), or does it work independent of LANG?

Sorry, I'm probably not quite up to date, but when I tried to play around with 
it a couple of months ago I couldn't really find any answer to this question 
in the documentation. What I read (there is a tutorial on the Redhat site 
somewhere) seems to assume that one wants a complete Japanese system.

But in my case I would like a normal system with German language settings, and 
only occasionally type some Japanese sentences, for example in e-mails. Is 
this possible?

I never really got it to work anyway (at the end I gave up and stayed with the 
old kinput2). To be honest, the info on
http://www.openi18n.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=in...
is overwhelming but is there a simple howto that tells me what I have to set 
up to get Japanese characters on an otherwise non-Japanese system?

Thanks!
Stephan

[Jens-Ulrik Petersen]

Stephan Matthiesen wrote:
> A quick question: Does it require a language setting (LANG=ja_JP or 
> LC_CTYPE=ja_JP like the old kinput2), or does it work independent of LANG?

For gtk2 apps you can input various languages including Japanese
independent of what locale you're in.  You need to have a language
engine (LE) installed for that: for ja it is iiimf-le-canna
which uses the canna dictionary server backend (like kinput2 does
by default).

If you install that and iiimf-gtk and iiimf-gnome-im-switcher
you should be well on your way.

Finally to enable IIIMF in your X session do:

$ mkdir ~/.xinput.d
$ ln -s /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/iiimf ~/.xinput.d/default

to always turn on IIIMF for all locale.  If you only
want it on for German, replace "default" with "de_DE".

Hope that helps.  Unfortunately this information
is missing from the FC3 release notes...

Jens