Simple Linux

[Gary]

Is there a version of Linux out that is easy to get used to, coming from 
the ms world. I don't really want to have to compile and install and 
setup all the programs, or maybe I had better stick to ms.

Gary.....Linux newbie

[Angela Kahealani]

On Sunday 2004-10-17 13:21, Gary wrote:
>  Is there a version of Linux out that is easy to get used to, coming
>  from the ms world. I don't really want to have to compile and install
>  and setup all the programs, or maybe I had better stick to ms.
>
>  Gary.....Linux newbie 
Considering where you chose to ask the question,
the only possible answer is: Fedora Linux.

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[joshua neff]

I really depends on how much work you want to and are
willing to put into things. Personally, I've found Red
Hat 9 and Fedore both very easy to get into. The
installation is all GUI-based and doesn't require you
to do much more than click on the appropriate buttons.
While I want to learn more Linux stuff and really know
the insides and outs of my computer, I'm currently in
grad school and don't have the time to get too
invested in this. Well, it's been a week since I
installed FC2, and with the help of this list and a
few other resources, I've found running a desktop with
FC2 to be as easy as running my notebook with Windows
XP. I've had to do just as much digging through
documents and checking on support to do important
things in WinXP as I have with Fedora.

But, with Fedora (for example) you can do more when
you get more comfortable with Linux. You can really
take control of your computer, in a way you simply
can't with Windows.

Honestly, Linux isn't nearly as difficult as it is
sometimes painted, and Windows is nowhere near as easy
and user-friendly as Microsoft likes to pretend it is.

But if you really don't want to put any time or effort
into it, don't switch.

The important question is: why in the world would you
want to switch from Linux to Windows?

--- Gary <garyjudy(a)shaw.ca&gt; wrote:

>  Is there a version of Linux out that is easy to get
>  used to, coming from 
>  the ms world. I don't really want to have to compile
>  and install and 
>  setup all the programs, or maybe I had better stick
>  to ms.
>  
>  Gary.....Linux newbie
>  
>  
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[Markus Huber]

Am Mo, den 18.10.2004 schrieb Gary um 1:21:
>  Is there a version of Linux out that is easy to get used to, coming
> from 
>  the ms world. I don't really want to have to compile and install and 
>  setup all the programs, or maybe I had better stick to ms. 
Yes. Fedora Core 2.

The simplest:
you get a box already installed and configured (that's what you usually
buy when you buy windows). Then it's easier than windows - you do not
need to care about all the apps on your own, they are just updated
through the repositories.

The normal:
read the release notes if you have hardware which might trouble you
(it's very few), read a bit about installing linux (you do not have
C:\), install (takes 15-35 minutes depending which applications you
want), boot. Off you go.

Then:
Learn to use the update-"engines" up2date and/or apt and/or yum for
getting the multimedia files from the fedora.us (= Extras) and the livna
repositories and keeping the system up to date.

That's all you have to invest, it takes a few hours learning (actually
less).

After that: you can learn linux by doing, you can use google, online
books, this list, there is a huge "library" in the net.

And I am not joking. I myself started using linux this february after 17
years of ms, and there is no way back. It might be useful though to keep
a dual-boot in the beginning.

Some links (sorry, I just copied them from my bookmarks, but they should
work):
Fedora Project
Mirrors
Fedora Extras Home Page
rpm.livna.org

Give it a try, you might not regret it.

--
Regards,
Markus

[hlshaw]

Markus Huber wrote:

> Am Mo, den 18.10.2004 schrieb Gary um 1:21:
>   
>
> >Is there a version of Linux out that is easy to get used to, coming from 
> >the ms world. I don't really want to have to compile and install and 
> >setup all the programs, or maybe I had better stick to ms.
> >    
> >
>
> Yes. Fedora Core 2.
>
> The simplest:
> you get a box already installed and configured (that's what you usually
> buy when you buy windows). Then it's easier than windows - you do not
> need to care about all the apps on your own, they are just updated
> through the repositories.
>
> The normal:
> read the release notes if you have hardware which might trouble you
> (it's very few), read a bit about installing linux (you do not have
> C:\), install (takes 15-35 minutes depending which applications you
> want), boot. Off you go.
>
> Then:
> Learn to use the update-"engines" up2date and/or apt and/or yum for
> getting the multimedia files from the fedora.us (= Extras) and the livna
> repositories and keeping the system up to date.
>
> That's all you have to invest, it takes a few hours learning (actually
> less).
>
> After that: you can learn linux by doing, you can use google, online
> books, this list, there is a huge "library" in the net.
>
> And I am not joking. I myself started using linux this february after 17
> years of ms, and there is no way back. It might be useful though to keep
> a dual-boot in the beginning.
>
> Some links (sorry, I just copied them from my bookmarks, but they should
> work):
> Fedora Project
> Mirrors
> Fedora Extras Home Page
> rpm.livna.org
>
> Give it a try, you might not regret it.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Markus
>
>   
>  
Better yet......try Cobind 0.2 beta, although it is based on Fedora Core 
1, it is pre-configured and very easy to use.  It comes already setup 
with everyday programs, no compiling and it is easy to keep updated.  If 
your looking for an easy linux to install.....try it, you won't regret it!
You can find it at....www.distrowatch.com......just download the iso and 
burn it to a CD and it installs in minutes!!!

Good Luck!

-- 
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Registered Linux User: #350705

Kansas University Alumni MCMLXXX

[Tim]

Someone told me about this site: www.knoppix.org it has more than one
language so pick yours from the top.  I have not tried this but he said
it's very cool, a bootable CD that runs Linux from the CD no changes to
your hard drive.

But FC2 is a good choice because this is a very good list to ask even
basic questions.

Tim...

On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 16:46, Markus Huber wrote:
>  Am Mo, den 18.10.2004 schrieb Gary um 1:21:
>  > Is there a version of Linux out that is easy to get used to, coming from 
>  > the ms world. I don't really want to have to compile and install and 
>  > setup all the programs, or maybe I had better stick to ms.
>  
>  Yes. Fedora Core 2.
>  
>  The simplest:
>  you get a box already installed and configured (that's what you usually
>  buy when you buy windows). Then it's easier than windows - you do not
>  need to care about all the apps on your own, they are just updated
>  through the repositories.
>  
>  The normal:
>  read the release notes if you have hardware which might trouble you
>  (it's very few), read a bit about installing linux (you do not have
>  C:\), install (takes 15-35 minutes depending which applications you
>  want), boot. Off you go.
>  
>  Then:
>  Learn to use the update-"engines" up2date and/or apt and/or yum for
>  getting the multimedia files from the fedora.us (= Extras) and the livna
>  repositories and keeping the system up to date.
>  
>  That's all you have to invest, it takes a few hours learning (actually
>  less).
>  
>  After that: you can learn linux by doing, you can use google, online
>  books, this list, there is a huge "library" in the net.
>  
>  And I am not joking. I myself started using linux this february after 17
>  years of ms, and there is no way back. It might be useful though to keep
>  a dual-boot in the beginning.
>  
>  Some links (sorry, I just copied them from my bookmarks, but they should
>  work):
>  Fedora Project
>  Mirrors
>  Fedora Extras Home Page
>  rpm.livna.org
>  
>  Give it a try, you might not regret it.
>  
>  --
>  Regards,
>  Markus

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

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It would appear that on Oct 23, Timothy Payne did say:

>  On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 16:46, Markus Huber wrote:
>  > Am Mo, den 18.10.2004 schrieb Gary um 1:21:
>  > > Is there a version of Linux out that is easy to get used to, coming from 
>  > > the ms world. I don't really want to have to compile and install and 
>  > > setup all the programs, or maybe I had better stick to ms.
>  > 
>  > Yes. Fedora Core 2. 
<snip>

>  Someone told me about this site: www.knoppix.org it has more than
> one
>  language so pick yours from the top.  I have not tried this but he said
>  it's very cool, a bootable CD that runs Linux from the CD no changes to
>  your hard drive.
>  
>  But FC2 is a good choice because this is a very good list to ask even
>  basic questions.
>  
>  Tim... 
Yes knoppix is pretty good to Tim, (I use a customized knoppix cd as a
rescue disk where most of my favorite linux tools are already configured
to my taste. Makes a great way to bring linux with me if I go visiting.)
You make a good point about this list being one of the best reasons why
Fedora Core {currently FC2} is a very good choice. {Markus also made some
good points in favor of FC2.}

One thing though Tim, Since you do obviously appreciate the value of
this list, do you think you would be willing to avoid "top posting" on it.
{In this reply, I took the liberty of moving your "quoted text" to where
"bottom posting" would have put it.}

I know that not every one agrees with the bottom posting rule. In fact,
I myself would have preferred the other convention, but I noted that the
majority of the more knowledgeable list contributors seem to expect
bottom posting. So out of respect for them. and this list I try to
comply with the lists netiquette on this.

Getting back to knoppix though, I did note that they were recomending
some low cost mail order cd's rather than trying to download directly.
Being the blockhead I am I immediately determined that I was going to
download mine. (I have a Comcast broadband connection to the internet,
but the download speeds made me remember what I used to feel like when I
had to download something for my old Comodore 64 with a 300 baud modem.

I did eventually get a good iso image, but next time I need to get a new
copy of knoppix, I'll send for the cd.

If the OP doesn't yet have any linux experience, then knoppix might be a
good fairly safe way to experiment with linux on his Windows box.

Then once he feels like it's worth a real try, he could go with a dual
boot option that would keep his familiar windows environment handy while
he gets comfortable with a good linux system such as Fedora. Though I
would like to mention that it would be a good idea to check out one of
"LISA"'s regular "README:" postings to this group first. It has a
bunch
of good links including {last I looked} one about an easily avoided dual
boot problem.   ;) 


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[Tim]

On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 06:21 -0500, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
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>  It would appear that on Oct 23, Timothy Payne did say:
>  
>  > On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 16:46, Markus Huber wrote:
>  > > Am Mo, den 18.10.2004 schrieb Gary um 1:21:
>  > > > Is there a version of Linux out that is easy to get used to, coming from 
>  > > > the ms world. I don't really want to have to compile and install and 
>  > > > setup all the programs, or maybe I had better stick to ms.
>  > > 
>  > > Yes. Fedora Core 2.
>  
>  <snip>
>  
>  > Someone told me about this site: www.knoppix.org it has more than one
>  > language so pick yours from the top.  I have not tried this but he said
>  > it's very cool, a bootable CD that runs Linux from the CD no changes to
>  > your hard drive.
>  > 
>  > But FC2 is a good choice because this is a very good list to ask even
>  > basic questions.
>  > 
>  > Tim...
>  
>  Yes knoppix is pretty good to Tim, (I use a customized knoppix cd as a
>  rescue disk where most of my favorite linux tools are already configured
>  to my taste. Makes a great way to bring linux with me if I go visiting.)
>  You make a good point about this list being one of the best reasons why
>  Fedora Core {currently FC2} is a very good choice. {Markus also made some
>  good points in favor of FC2.}
>  
>  One thing though Tim, Since you do obviously appreciate the value of
>  this list, do you think you would be willing to avoid "top posting" on it.
>  {In this reply, I took the liberty of moving your "quoted text" to where
>  "bottom posting" would have put it.}
>  
>  I know that not every one agrees with the bottom posting rule. In fact,
>  I myself would have preferred the other convention, but I noted that the
>  majority of the more knowledgeable list contributors seem to expect
>  bottom posting. So out of respect for them. and this list I try to
>  comply with the lists netiquette on this.
>  
>  Getting back to knoppix though, I did note that they were recomending
>  some low cost mail order cd's rather than trying to download directly.
>  Being the blockhead I am I immediately determined that I was going to
>  download mine. (I have a Comcast broadband connection to the internet,
>  but the download speeds made me remember what I used to feel like when I
>  had to download something for my old Comodore 64 with a 300 baud modem.
>  
>  I did eventually get a good iso image, but next time I need to get a new
>  copy of knoppix, I'll send for the cd.
>  
>  If the OP doesn't yet have any linux experience, then knoppix might be a
>  good fairly safe way to experiment with linux on his Windows box.
>  
>  Then once he feels like it's worth a real try, he could go with a dual
>  boot option that would keep his familiar windows environment handy while
>  he gets comfortable with a good linux system such as Fedora. Though I
>  would like to mention that it would be a good idea to check out one of
>  "LISA"'s regular "README:" postings to this group first. It has a
> bunch
>  of good links including {last I looked} one about an easily avoided dual
>  boot problem.   ;)  
Yes I know about top posting, just a little hasty in my reply.  I did
try Knoppix.org CD and It found all my hardware, and was kind of cool.
I've already given the CD away to get someone to try Linux.

Tim...  (sometimes I say ain't too"
-- 
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brother-in-laws Irish band
http:/www.tmpco.com/immortals.html

[Chuck Sterling]

Gary wrote:

>  Is there a version of Linux out that is easy to get used to, coming
>  from the ms world. I don't really want to have to compile and install
>  and setup all the programs, or maybe I had better stick to ms.
>  
>  Gary.....Linux newbie
>  
>   
If you want a test drive, download Knoppix. You run it from a CD with no
installation on your hard drive... It's pretty handy to have around
anyway if your system fails to boot due for some reason; sometimes you
can fix what's wrong by running knoppix and fiddling around some...

Chuck Sterling

[Jerry DeLisle]

On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 16:21, Gary wrote:
>  Is there a version of Linux out that is easy to get used to, coming
> from 
>  the ms world. I don't really want to have to compile and install and 
>  setup all the programs, or maybe I had better stick to ms.
>  
>  Gary.....Linux newbie
>   
I have tried and used Mandrake for several years.  This year I switched
to Fedora and found that I get more responsive support from the lists
and much easier updates.  I also try to give back to the community where
i can by doing testing or answering newbie questions. Fedora is fairly
painless and if you get stuck, just ask.

Jerry

[Chanpreet Singh Matharu]

Thats the sign which shows that you are start learning linux that good
... have pateint then the world is your


On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:21:49 -0600, Gary <garyjudy(a)shaw.ca&gt; wrote:
>  Is there a version of Linux out that is easy to get used to, coming
> from
>  the ms world. I don't really want to have to compile and install and
>  setup all the programs, or maybe I had better stick to ms.
>  
>  Gary.....Linux newbie
>  
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[Eucke]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary" <garyjudy(a)shaw.ca&gt;
To: <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:21 PM
Subject: Simple Linux


>  Is there a version of Linux out that is easy to get used to, coming
> from 
>  the ms world. I don't really want to have to compile and install and setup 
>  all the programs, or maybe I had better stick to ms.
>
>  Gary.....Linux newbie 
Give FC a shot...it certainly cannot hurt.  Simple is hard to hurt 
really...you tend to get into the recompiling and things like that when you 
start to go fancy.....like RAID cards   grumble grumble grumble....my 
personal cross to bear right now...  You also can see issues when you're 
using brand new hardware for which Linux drivers may not exist.  If you're 
dealing with older stuff...there's a good chance that drivers are readily 
available.

Give it a shot....you may just surprise yourself...

-Eucke