The specs for my Lenovo x140e is 8GB, which I have and it seems to be not enough.
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 6930852 262676 1492 187140 221144 Swap: 24157176 12044096 12113080
Firefox seems to be a bit part of the problem. I quit it and see:
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 5146100 1776840 1364 457728 1948864 Swap: 24157176 5270956 18886220
I am running a VM at 2Gb and a couple of Thunderbird sessions. Closing these TB and waiting a while I drop down to
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 3751784 1148396 16228 2480488 3272716 Swap: 24157176 2422956 21734220
but really the bottom line is I need more memory for the tasks at hand. Firefox has all these weird processes running eating up lots of memory and swapping like crazy. Probably bad for my SSD drive.
So how to get to 16GB memory?
What follows the x140e in the 12" format? I can't figure this out from basic Lenovo sales stuff. Probably going to have to find a Lenovo forum to get the info.
But CompuRAM in UK says they can support up to 32GB on the x140e using "newer SO-DIMM chips". Crucial only sells 4GB for the x140e.
Anyone have any knowledge on this? Other than booting and getting into settings, how do I figure out my bios version? And to see if Lenovo has a newer one that probably CompuRAM is counting on?
Any US memory sources that will support more memory for the x140e? I really don't want to deal with overseas shipping and support.
And back to the "newer" hardware question on 140 followon.
thanks for any input. All this swapping is taking time when I really have to wait for the system to bring in what is needed and things to start working.
Looks like more memory is "well" supported:
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Laptops/X140e-Review-and-Upgr...
So 16GB for ~$90. Going to have to figure out the best good deal on 2x*GB memory.
And look at 32GB options.
But also look at the x240, x250, x260 to see which meet my needs and is affordable via ebay.
On 1/11/22 12:30, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
The specs for my Lenovo x140e is 8GB, which I have and it seems to be not enough.
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 6930852 262676 1492 187140 221144 Swap: 24157176 12044096 12113080
Firefox seems to be a bit part of the problem. I quit it and see:
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 5146100 1776840 1364 457728 1948864 Swap: 24157176 5270956 18886220
I am running a VM at 2Gb and a couple of Thunderbird sessions. Closing these TB and waiting a while I drop down to
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 3751784 1148396 16228 2480488 3272716 Swap: 24157176 2422956 21734220
but really the bottom line is I need more memory for the tasks at hand. Firefox has all these weird processes running eating up lots of memory and swapping like crazy. Probably bad for my SSD drive.
So how to get to 16GB memory?
What follows the x140e in the 12" format? I can't figure this out from basic Lenovo sales stuff. Probably going to have to find a Lenovo forum to get the info.
But CompuRAM in UK says they can support up to 32GB on the x140e using "newer SO-DIMM chips". Crucial only sells 4GB for the x140e.
Anyone have any knowledge on this? Other than booting and getting into settings, how do I figure out my bios version? And to see if Lenovo has a newer one that probably CompuRAM is counting on?
Any US memory sources that will support more memory for the x140e? I really don't want to deal with overseas shipping and support.
And back to the "newer" hardware question on 140 followon.
thanks for any input. All this swapping is taking time when I really have to wait for the system to bring in what is needed and things to start working.
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What on earth are you doing in Firefox and Thunderbird to use that swap? I have multiple 8GB machines running the same Fedora, Firefox and Thunderbird, and virtually never get into swap at all. Two the these machines are also Lenovo. This makes no sense, so there must be something else hogging all that memory. Do a top and sort by RSS and see what the real problem app is.
--
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On 2022-01-11 12:30 p.m., Robert Moskowitz wrote:
The specs for my Lenovo x140e is 8GB, which I have and it seems to be not enough.
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 6930852 262676 1492 187140 221144 Swap: 24157176 12044096 12113080
Firefox seems to be a bit part of the problem. I quit it and see:
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 5146100 1776840 1364 457728 1948864 Swap: 24157176 5270956 18886220
I am running a VM at 2Gb and a couple of Thunderbird sessions. Closing these TB and waiting a while I drop down to
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 3751784 1148396 16228 2480488 3272716 Swap: 24157176 2422956 21734220
but really the bottom line is I need more memory for the tasks at hand. Firefox has all these weird processes running eating up lots of memory and swapping like crazy. Probably bad for my SSD drive.
So how to get to 16GB memory?
What follows the x140e in the 12" format? I can't figure this out from basic Lenovo sales stuff. Probably going to have to find a Lenovo forum to get the info.
But CompuRAM in UK says they can support up to 32GB on the x140e using "newer SO-DIMM chips". Crucial only sells 4GB for the x140e.
Anyone have any knowledge on this? Other than booting and getting into settings, how do I figure out my bios version? And to see if Lenovo has a newer one that probably CompuRAM is counting on?
Any US memory sources that will support more memory for the x140e? I really don't want to deal with overseas shipping and support.
And back to the "newer" hardware question on 140 followon.
thanks for any input. All this swapping is taking time when I really have to wait for the system to bring in what is needed and things to start working.
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If you have too many tabs open on some badly behaved websites firefox will eat all of your ram.
weather.com is a good one, leave it setting for a few days open and that tab will use up the ram. It seems ok on my bigger machines (32gb) but is a real issue on the machine with 10gb.
My 10gb ram machine was civilized by the earlyoom process that kills the process running the badly behaving tabs and using too much ram.
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 3:35 PM John Mellor john.mellor@gmail.com wrote:
What on earth are you doing in Firefox and Thunderbird to use that swap? I have multiple 8GB machines running the same Fedora, Firefox and Thunderbird, and virtually never get into swap at all. Two the these machines are also Lenovo. This makes no sense, so there must be something else hogging all that memory. Do a top and sort by RSS and see what the real problem app is.
--
John Mellor
On 2022-01-11 12:30 p.m., Robert Moskowitz wrote:
The specs for my Lenovo x140e is 8GB, which I have and it seems to be not enough.
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 6930852 262676 1492 187140 221144 Swap: 24157176 12044096 12113080
Firefox seems to be a bit part of the problem. I quit it and see:
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 5146100 1776840 1364 457728 1948864 Swap: 24157176 5270956 18886220
I am running a VM at 2Gb and a couple of Thunderbird sessions. Closing these TB and waiting a while I drop down to
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 3751784 1148396 16228 2480488 3272716 Swap: 24157176 2422956 21734220
but really the bottom line is I need more memory for the tasks at hand. Firefox has all these weird processes running eating up lots of memory and swapping like crazy. Probably bad for my SSD drive.
So how to get to 16GB memory?
What follows the x140e in the 12" format? I can't figure this out from basic Lenovo sales stuff. Probably going to have to find a Lenovo forum to get the info.
But CompuRAM in UK says they can support up to 32GB on the x140e using "newer SO-DIMM chips". Crucial only sells 4GB for the x140e.
Anyone have any knowledge on this? Other than booting and getting into settings, how do I figure out my bios version? And to see if Lenovo has a newer one that probably CompuRAM is counting on?
Any US memory sources that will support more memory for the x140e? I really don't want to deal with overseas shipping and support.
And back to the "newer" hardware question on 140 followon.
thanks for any input. All this swapping is taking time when I really have to wait for the system to bring in what is needed and things to start working.
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top -b -n 1 > top.txt Not sure why the CPU% ages are so high. Webpages normally take only a 10% or so per page.
GeckoMain = FF main thread. Isolated Web C0 = various web pages.
top - 14:55:15 up 6 days, 16:01, 10 users, load average: 5.78, 6.13, 3.77 Tasks: 538 total, 1 running, 537 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie %Cpu(s): 80.7 us, 1.0 sy, 0.0 ni, 17.8 id, 0.0 wa, 0.5 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st MiB Mem : 64273.9 total, 19031.3 free, 30313.6 used, 14928.9 buff/cache MiB Swap: 8192.0 total, 8192.0 free, 0.0 used. 30195.3 avail Mem
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 559812 me 20 0 9390852 5.1g 132812 S 337.5 8.1 331:58.36 Isolated Web Co 559936 me 20 0 6194244 2.4g 142088 S 237.5 3.8 104:34.23 Isolated Web Co 560076 me 20 0 6328896 2.6g 141168 S 225.0 4.1 67:50.76 Isolated Web Co 562804 me 20 0 5983464 2.1g 142608 S 100.0 3.3 57:26.30 Isolated Web Co 2159 me 20 0 4713052 1.1g 983528 S 31.2 1.8 2470:30 kwin_x11 559129 me 20 0 22.8g 6.8g 2.6g S 12.5 10.9 526:53.93 GeckoMain 575656 me 20 0 4774780 975436 173984 S 12.5 1.5 40:15.65 Isolated Web Co 1866 me 20 0 5299356 3.3g 2.3g S 6.2 5.2 421:14.24 Xorg 2694 me 9 -11 390944 65388 9260 S 6.2 0.1 53:04.65 pipewire 2696 me 9 -11 802360 398056 7464 S 6.2 0.6 161:27.93 pipewire-pulse 559410 me 20 0 4338412 545064 147552 S 6.2 0.8 43:09.37 Isolated Web Co 559810 me 20 0 3994248 553608 106156 S 6.2 0.8 9:23.27 Isolated Web Co 615816 me 20 0 2787544 149608 93300 S 6.2 0.2 2:24.82 Isolated Web Co 681104 me 20 0 4324832 525040 153568 S 6.2 0.8 19:38.53 Isolated Web Co 763376 me 20 0 2810896 159488 96568 S 6.2 0.2 0:14.92 Isolated Web Co 876107 me 20 0 977220 118692 98332 S 6.2 0.2 0:02.95 konsole
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:51 PM Roger Heflin rogerheflin@gmail.com wrote:
If you have too many tabs open on some badly behaved websites firefox will eat all of your ram.
weather.com is a good one, leave it setting for a few days open and that tab will use up the ram. It seems ok on my bigger machines (32gb) but is a real issue on the machine with 10gb.
My 10gb ram machine was civilized by the earlyoom process that kills the process running the badly behaving tabs and using too much ram.
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 3:35 PM John Mellor john.mellor@gmail.com wrote:
What on earth are you doing in Firefox and Thunderbird to use that swap? I have multiple 8GB machines running the same Fedora, Firefox and Thunderbird, and virtually never get into swap at all. Two the these machines are also Lenovo. This makes no sense, so there must be something else hogging all that memory. Do a top and sort by RSS and see what the real problem app is.
--
John Mellor
On 2022-01-11 12:30 p.m., Robert Moskowitz wrote:
The specs for my Lenovo x140e is 8GB, which I have and it seems to be not enough.
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 6930852 262676 1492 187140 221144 Swap: 24157176 12044096 12113080
Firefox seems to be a bit part of the problem. I quit it and see:
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 5146100 1776840 1364 457728 1948864 Swap: 24157176 5270956 18886220
I am running a VM at 2Gb and a couple of Thunderbird sessions. Closing these TB and waiting a while I drop down to
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 3751784 1148396 16228 2480488 3272716 Swap: 24157176 2422956 21734220
but really the bottom line is I need more memory for the tasks at hand. Firefox has all these weird processes running eating up lots of memory and swapping like crazy. Probably bad for my SSD drive.
So how to get to 16GB memory?
What follows the x140e in the 12" format? I can't figure this out from basic Lenovo sales stuff. Probably going to have to find a Lenovo forum to get the info.
But CompuRAM in UK says they can support up to 32GB on the x140e using "newer SO-DIMM chips". Crucial only sells 4GB for the x140e.
Anyone have any knowledge on this? Other than booting and getting into settings, how do I figure out my bios version? And to see if Lenovo has a newer one that probably CompuRAM is counting on?
Any US memory sources that will support more memory for the x140e? I really don't want to deal with overseas shipping and support.
And back to the "newer" hardware question on 140 followon.
thanks for any input. All this swapping is taking time when I really have to wait for the system to bring in what is needed and things to start working.
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On 1/11/22 16:51, Roger Heflin wrote:
If you have too many tabs open on some badly behaved websites firefox will eat all of your ram.
Yep. What I live with.
Thunderbird also seems strange.
weather.com is a good one, leave it setting for a few days open and that tab will use up the ram. It seems ok on my bigger machines (32gb) but is a real issue on the machine with 10gb.
My 10gb ram machine was civilized by the earlyoom process that kills the process running the badly behaving tabs and using too much ram.
what is 'earlyoom'?
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 3:35 PM John Mellor john.mellor@gmail.com wrote:
What on earth are you doing in Firefox and Thunderbird to use that swap? I have multiple 8GB machines running the same Fedora, Firefox and Thunderbird, and virtually never get into swap at all. Two the these machines are also Lenovo. This makes no sense, so there must be something else hogging all that memory. Do a top and sort by RSS and see what the real problem app is.
--
John Mellor
On 2022-01-11 12:30 p.m., Robert Moskowitz wrote:
The specs for my Lenovo x140e is 8GB, which I have and it seems to be not enough.
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 6930852 262676 1492 187140 221144 Swap: 24157176 12044096 12113080
Firefox seems to be a bit part of the problem. I quit it and see:
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 5146100 1776840 1364 457728 1948864 Swap: 24157176 5270956 18886220
I am running a VM at 2Gb and a couple of Thunderbird sessions. Closing these TB and waiting a while I drop down to
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 3751784 1148396 16228 2480488 3272716 Swap: 24157176 2422956 21734220
but really the bottom line is I need more memory for the tasks at hand. Firefox has all these weird processes running eating up lots of memory and swapping like crazy. Probably bad for my SSD drive.
So how to get to 16GB memory?
What follows the x140e in the 12" format? I can't figure this out from basic Lenovo sales stuff. Probably going to have to find a Lenovo forum to get the info.
But CompuRAM in UK says they can support up to 32GB on the x140e using "newer SO-DIMM chips". Crucial only sells 4GB for the x140e.
Anyone have any knowledge on this? Other than booting and getting into settings, how do I figure out my bios version? And to see if Lenovo has a newer one that probably CompuRAM is counting on?
Any US memory sources that will support more memory for the x140e? I really don't want to deal with overseas shipping and support.
And back to the "newer" hardware question on 140 followon.
thanks for any input. All this swapping is taking time when I really have to wait for the system to bring in what is needed and things to start working.
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On Tue, 2022-01-11 at 16:58 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
what is 'earlyoom'?
OOM is an out-of-memory condition, earlyoom is something that's supposed to jump in and manage the memory use (somehow) before you run out of free memory.
I'm not surprised at Firefox being a problem. It's a behemoth of a program, all feature-full web browsers are, and there's a lot of bad websites (intentional or not).
Just the other day I spent over an hour pruning all the tabs I'd left open of things I had/hadn't finished researching over the last year. There was a lot of, close tab I've read that, close the tab because the site has vanished (always download anything you consider vital), and bookmark it for later and close the tab.
On Wed, 2022-01-12 at 20:25 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
On Tue, 2022-01-11 at 16:58 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
what is 'earlyoom'?
OOM is an out-of-memory condition, earlyoom is something that's supposed to jump in and manage the memory use (somehow) before you run out of free memory.
I'm not surprised at Firefox being a problem. It's a behemoth of a program, all feature-full web browsers are, and there's a lot of bad websites (intentional or not).
Just the other day I spent over an hour pruning all the tabs I'd left open of things I had/hadn't finished researching over the last year. There was a lot of, close tab I've read that, close the tab because the site has vanished (always download anything you consider vital), and bookmark it for later and close the tab.
You might consider the Tab Session Manager extension. It periodically (or on demand) saves your current tabs and windows and can restore them again on startup, but optionally not actually load each page until you decide to visit it.
poc
2022-01-12 12:09 UTC+01:00, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com:
You might consider the Tab Session Manager extension. It periodically (or on demand) saves your current tabs and windows and can restore them again on startup, but optionally not actually load each page until you decide to visit it.
I believe that this is the default behaviour of Firefox. I mean the "not actually loading until you switch to it" part. The restore part is not the default, just an option. But neither needs an extension.
On Wed, 2022-01-12 at 12:46 +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
2022-01-12 12:09 UTC+01:00, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com:
You might consider the Tab Session Manager extension. It periodically (or on demand) saves your current tabs and windows and can restore them again on startup, but optionally not actually load each page until you decide to visit it.
I believe that this is the default behaviour of Firefox. I mean the "not actually loading until you switch to it" part. The restore part is not the default, just an option. But neither needs an extension.
While I haven't looked closely, I can only say that the behaviour with the extension is different from that without it, e.g. it's possible to avoid loading even the favicon.
The restore option is also more flexible and less buggy than the default behaviour, which is the real reason I installed it (rather than the performance aspect).
poc
2022-01-12 13:21 UTC+01:00, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com:
On Wed, 2022-01-12 at 12:46 +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
2022-01-12 12:09 UTC+01:00, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com:
You might consider the Tab Session Manager extension. It periodically (or on demand) saves your current tabs and windows and can restore them again on startup, but optionally not actually load each page until you decide to visit it.
I believe that this is the default behaviour of Firefox. I mean the "not actually loading until you switch to it" part. The restore part is not the default, just an option. But neither needs an extension.
While I haven't looked closely, I can only say that the behaviour with the extension is different from that without it, e.g. it's possible to avoid loading even the favicon.
The restore option is also more flexible and less buggy than the default behaviour, which is the real reason I installed it (rather than the performance aspect).
I don't recall running into bugs related to this, but then you're probably visiting different sites, etc. I have a few hundred tabs open, but almost all of them are static pages, so maybe I'm exercising this part of Firefox less.
Patrick O'Callaghan
You might consider the Tab Session Manager extension. It periodically (or on demand) saves your current tabs and windows and can restore them again on startup, but optionally not actually load each page until you decide to visit it.
Andras Simon:
I believe that this is the default behaviour of Firefox. I mean the "not actually loading until you switch to it" part. The restore part is not the default, just an option. But neither needs an extension.
I might give the manager thing a try and see what it offers me.
I've noticed the same thing, that when you fire-up Firefox, only the currently selected tab actually loads. Mine is set up to remember and restore the previous session. I do shut down the browser, and log off the computer.
Perhaps other people are leaving their browser running 24/7? I'm not sure what Firefox does with pages on unselected tabs when the browser is always running. I suspect *anything* running on those tabs will keep on running, because I know I can switch away from tabs playing YouTube videos and the sound keeps going. I'm not at all surprised that something bad might romp through all the RAM.
On 1/13/22 00:35, Tim via users wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan
You might consider the Tab Session Manager extension. It periodically (or on demand) saves your current tabs and windows and can restore them again on startup, but optionally not actually load each page until you decide to visit it.
Andras Simon:
I believe that this is the default behaviour of Firefox. I mean the "not actually loading until you switch to it" part. The restore part is not the default, just an option. But neither needs an extension.
I might give the manager thing a try and see what it offers me.
I've noticed the same thing, that when you fire-up Firefox, only the currently selected tab actually loads. Mine is set up to remember and restore the previous session. I do shut down the browser, and log off the computer.
Perhaps other people are leaving their browser running 24/7? I'm not sure what Firefox does with pages on unselected tabs when the browser is always running. I suspect *anything* running on those tabs will keep on running, because I know I can switch away from tabs playing YouTube videos and the sound keeps going. I'm not at all surprised that something bad might romp through all the RAM.
Yes, I am running 24/7 for a week. Every Friday afternoon, I suspend. Mostly it does suspend, sometimes it hangs, and I have submitted a bug report on this.
Booting when I think I should by how many kernels I am behind versus running. Right now almost 13 days since last boot, and that is a short time for me.
I can't remember the last time I logged off.
So those background tabs tend to have things running along, and I do have to figure out this earlyoom to see if it might help here.
I may be in the process of researching some purchase for me or my wife. I may have half-a-dozen shopping pages open and they are almost always badly behaving. Then there are those support forums some vendors (like Lenovo currently) force us to use and they have stuff running on them.
Just generally bad stuff that use up processing power.
On Thu, 2022-01-13 at 08:45 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Yes, I am running 24/7 for a week. Every Friday afternoon, I suspend. Mostly it does suspend, sometimes it hangs, and I have submitted a bug report on this.
In that scenario, I wouldn't expect Firefox to behave any differently than if it was 24/7 rather than 24/5. When you suspend and resume the PC, the software will be behaving as if it had always been running. You'd have to have quit and restarted Firefox, itself, to behave any differently.
Booting when I think I should by how many kernels I am behind versus running. Right now almost 13 days since last boot, and that is a short time for me.
I can't remember the last time I logged off.
I've tried that kind of thing in the past, and something always goes haywire. e.g. I'll have a fight with the PC to get sound running, again. It'll just fail, and won't run. And I'll either have to relog, or reboot, to get things working again. There always seems to be a bug somewhere.
So those background tabs tend to have things running along, and I do have to figure out this earlyoom to see if it might help here.
I may be in the process of researching some purchase for me or my wife. I may have half-a-dozen shopping pages open and they are almost always badly behaving. Then there are those support forums some vendors (like Lenovo currently) force us to use and they have stuff running on them.
Anything other than flat static HTML is a major candidate for chewing through your memory, CPU load, and network bandwidth. Pages that load adverts may continually load new ones, perhaps multimedia ones. Some pages may time-out on you.
Pages that try to be flashy and follow all the latest design trends because authors and commerce have the Emperor's New Clothes attitude are always going to be the worst (sales, news, gossip, etc). If you look at their source code, they seem to be 5% content and 95% code, most of it scripting upon scripting, for the sake of it rather than needing it. It's just ripe for bad coding to run berserk on you.
First, I have ordered 16Gb of memory for my x140e. One of the Lenovo forum experts has run this way in the past with no noticeable problems, though he no longer uses the 140. The mem cards should come next week. I will first test them out in my ole F32 system and make sure they don't over heat things. Then put them in this system. An additional 8Gb will pretty much eliminate my current swap usage. Did not see the need, yet, to try out 32Gb,
On 1/13/22 18:47, Tim via users wrote:
On Thu, 2022-01-13 at 08:45 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Yes, I am running 24/7 for a week. Every Friday afternoon, I suspend. Mostly it does suspend, sometimes it hangs, and I have submitted a bug report on this.
In that scenario, I wouldn't expect Firefox to behave any differently than if it was 24/7 rather than 24/5. When you suspend and resume the PC, the software will be behaving as if it had always been running. You'd have to have quit and restarted Firefox, itself, to behave any differently.
Yep, I know that. Suspend does just that. Good and bad stuff restart after resume. I like that for all the good things I have open. A reboot, or even a log out/in takes 15 or so min to get back to running shape. I avoid this time loss when I can.
Booting when I think I should by how many kernels I am behind versus running. Right now almost 13 days since last boot, and that is a short time for me.
I can't remember the last time I logged off.
I've tried that kind of thing in the past, and something always goes haywire. e.g. I'll have a fight with the PC to get sound running, again. It'll just fail, and won't run. And I'll either have to relog, or reboot, to get things working again. There always seems to be a bug somewhere.
I have, at times, ran a month before rebooting. And then because I was 3 kernels behind. Basically I write tech docs. Now dealing with online editting, I hate. Terrible performance. I tend to download, edit, and upload. For github and Windows cloud stuff.
So those background tabs tend to have things running along, and I do have to figure out this earlyoom to see if it might help here.
I may be in the process of researching some purchase for me or my wife. I may have half-a-dozen shopping pages open and they are almost always badly behaving. Then there are those support forums some vendors (like Lenovo currently) force us to use and they have stuff running on them.
Anything other than flat static HTML is a major candidate for chewing through your memory, CPU load, and network bandwidth. Pages that load adverts may continually load new ones, perhaps multimedia ones. Some pages may time-out on you.
Pages that try to be flashy and follow all the latest design trends because authors and commerce have the Emperor's New Clothes attitude are always going to be the worst (sales, news, gossip, etc). If you look at their source code, they seem to be 5% content and 95% code, most of it scripting upon scripting, for the sake of it rather than needing it. It's just ripe for bad coding to run berserk on you.
That is why I want to try out earlyoom. Maybe get control over some of this. maybe not. Worth a try.
Adblock Plus does stop a lot of this evil spawning. You don't load all the Ad badness that leads to more performance badness.
Hopefully the memory boost will calm things down. Or at least until Fedora36 eating up more memory.
Perhaps a octa-core? My x140e is a quad-core and it was a major improvement on the duo-core x120e.
But I have not found an octa-core that meets my basic specs that starts with CHEAP!
On 1/14/22 08:50, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
First, I have ordered 16Gb of memory for my x140e. One of the Lenovo forum experts has run this way in the past with no noticeable problems, though he no longer uses the 140. The mem cards should come next week. I will first test them out in my ole F32 system and make sure they don't over heat things. Then put them in this system. An additional 8Gb will pretty much eliminate my current swap usage. Did not see the need, yet, to try out 32Gb,
Newegg delivered quickly; memory came yesterday.
Tested out 16GB first in 'old' x140e that has F32 installed. It worked ok running overnight. So I updated this current F35 x140e and all seems fine:
# free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 15625916 6972216 6874788 108000 1778912 8210296 Swap: 25165816 0 25165816
Will see how this looks in a week.
On Thu, 2022-01-13 at 08:45 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
So those background tabs tend to have things running along, and I do have to figure out this earlyoom to see if it might help here.
Oh, for what it's worth, you might find earlyoom to bring its own set of annoyances. If it detects you're close to running out of memory the behaviour is to try and kill off the process heavily consuming memory. It won't actually stop the application from using too much resources but let it keep on running.
i.e. Firefox will be quit, or it will crash.
The idea is that the errant application will be halted, rather than your entire system. Which makes sense, there's little else it can do, but you'll need to be able to manage resuming Firefox from where you last had it.
My experience with Firefox's restore last session feature was only with multiple tabs, not multiple windows. I know I can't manually kill multiple windows and than restart and get them all back, I only get back the last closed window. I've discovered that often enough when I've accidentally opened a new window instead of tab, and accidentally closed the wrong window. I don't know how it'll behave when it's been system killed.
Things like earlyoom are only trying to work around the actual problem, an errant program that really needs fixing. We know there are pages that try and use 99.9%, or maybe 101% of resources, there always has been, and there always will be, the browser needs to be designed to better handle that, rather than just expect the user (or OS) to quit the browser to regain control.
earlyoom has a block on killing the main firefox process, it only kills one of the 8 tab managers. Basically firefox and all tabs stay intact and firefox tells you some of the tabs have crashed and when you go back into that tab it loads right back up. And when you kill (x) the window that tells the main firefox process to close and cleanup all of the tabs, and they go away.
Earlyoom works relatively cleanly to control firefox, it is way less annoying than paging on an ssd and basically having to push the power button because nothing is responding and a power button push and reboot and restart of firefox is faster than waiting for it to respond.
We can all hope that the browsers get fixed and don't eat ram, but firefox(on both windows and linux), IE(on windows) have had this problem off and on since they were first created, so if the current memory leaks get fixed some less than careful developer will fix and/or add a feature putting another leak back. So, we will always have a new set of leaks to deal with.
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 6:01 PM Tim via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, 2022-01-13 at 08:45 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
So those background tabs tend to have things running along, and I do have to figure out this earlyoom to see if it might help here.
Oh, for what it's worth, you might find earlyoom to bring its own set of annoyances. If it detects you're close to running out of memory the behaviour is to try and kill off the process heavily consuming memory. It won't actually stop the application from using too much resources but let it keep on running.
i.e. Firefox will be quit, or it will crash.
The idea is that the errant application will be halted, rather than your entire system. Which makes sense, there's little else it can do, but you'll need to be able to manage resuming Firefox from where you last had it.
My experience with Firefox's restore last session feature was only with multiple tabs, not multiple windows. I know I can't manually kill multiple windows and than restart and get them all back, I only get back the last closed window. I've discovered that often enough when I've accidentally opened a new window instead of tab, and accidentally closed the wrong window. I don't know how it'll behave when it's been system killed.
Things like earlyoom are only trying to work around the actual problem, an errant program that really needs fixing. We know there are pages that try and use 99.9%, or maybe 101% of resources, there always has been, and there always will be, the browser needs to be designed to better handle that, rather than just expect the user (or OS) to quit the browser to regain control.
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On 1/13/22 16:00, Tim via users wrote:
My experience with Firefox's restore last session feature was only with multiple tabs, not multiple windows. I know I can't manually kill multiple windows and than restart and get them all back, I only get back the last closed window. I've discovered that often enough when I've accidentally opened a new window instead of tab, and accidentally closed the wrong window. I don't know how it'll behave when it's been system killed.
Just in case you didn't know, you can bring back recently closed windows. The shortcut is ctrl-shift-n.
On 1/14/22 03:02, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 1/13/22 16:00, Tim via users wrote:
My experience with Firefox's restore last session feature was only with multiple tabs, not multiple windows. I know I can't manually kill multiple windows and than restart and get them all back, I only get back the last closed window. I've discovered that often enough when I've accidentally opened a new window instead of tab, and accidentally closed the wrong window. I don't know how it'll behave when it's been system killed.
Just in case you didn't know, you can bring back recently closed windows. The shortcut is ctrl-shift-n.
Thanks. This is worth knowing when I accidentally close the wrong window.
On 1/12/22 06:09, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Wed, 2022-01-12 at 20:25 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
On Tue, 2022-01-11 at 16:58 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
what is 'earlyoom'?
OOM is an out-of-memory condition, earlyoom is something that's supposed to jump in and manage the memory use (somehow) before you run out of free memory.
I'm not surprised at Firefox being a problem. It's a behemoth of a program, all feature-full web browsers are, and there's a lot of bad websites (intentional or not).
Just the other day I spent over an hour pruning all the tabs I'd left open of things I had/hadn't finished researching over the last year. There was a lot of, close tab I've read that, close the tab because the site has vanished (always download anything you consider vital), and bookmark it for later and close the tab.
You might consider the Tab Session Manager extension. It periodically (or on demand) saves your current tabs and windows and can restore them again on startup, but optionally not actually load each page until you decide to visit it.
I seem to get that behavior now out of the box with Ff 95 in Fed35?
Just yesterday, to clean memory up, I <cntl-q> firefox. Waited a while until top reported all those "Isolated web" processes ended, restarted Firefox, and all my windows and tabs restored. The tabs were there, but no 'content' until I switched to said tab and THEN the content was received.
On Wed, 2022-01-12 at 08:40 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 1/12/22 06:09, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Wed, 2022-01-12 at 20:25 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
On Tue, 2022-01-11 at 16:58 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
what is 'earlyoom'?
OOM is an out-of-memory condition, earlyoom is something that's supposed to jump in and manage the memory use (somehow) before you run out of free memory.
I'm not surprised at Firefox being a problem. It's a behemoth of a program, all feature-full web browsers are, and there's a lot of bad websites (intentional or not).
Just the other day I spent over an hour pruning all the tabs I'd left open of things I had/hadn't finished researching over the last year. There was a lot of, close tab I've read that, close the tab because the site has vanished (always download anything you consider vital), and bookmark it for later and close the tab.
You might consider the Tab Session Manager extension. It periodically (or on demand) saves your current tabs and windows and can restore them again on startup, but optionally not actually load each page until you decide to visit it.
I seem to get that behavior now out of the box with Ff 95 in Fed35?
Just yesterday, to clean memory up, I <cntl-q> firefox. Waited a while until top reported all those "Isolated web" processes ended, restarted Firefox, and all my windows and tabs restored. The tabs were there, but no 'content' until I switched to said tab and THEN the content was received.
I used to rely on this behaviour, but it frequently didn't work properly. I don't know if it's because I use KDE rather than Gnome, but the extension has proved more reliable though still not perfect.
poc
Firefox uses a lot of RAM if you have a lot of windows/tabs open.
Another way to see how much memory FF is using is to do an about:performance in the URL field.
A bare minimum hardware spec for me these days is 16GB of RAM. I purchased a laptop this summer and bumped that to 32 GB. My desktop machine has 64 GB.
I am a heavy user of FF.
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:35 PM John Mellor john.mellor@gmail.com wrote:
What on earth are you doing in Firefox and Thunderbird to use that swap? I have multiple 8GB machines running the same Fedora, Firefox and Thunderbird, and virtually never get into swap at all. Two the these machines are also Lenovo. This makes no sense, so there must be something else hogging all that memory. Do a top and sort by RSS and see what the real problem app is.
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On 2022-01-11 12:30 p.m., Robert Moskowitz wrote:
The specs for my Lenovo x140e is 8GB, which I have and it seems to be not enough.
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 6930852 262676 1492 187140 221144 Swap: 24157176 12044096 12113080
Firefox seems to be a bit part of the problem. I quit it and see:
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 5146100 1776840 1364 457728 1948864 Swap: 24157176 5270956 18886220
I am running a VM at 2Gb and a couple of Thunderbird sessions. Closing these TB and waiting a while I drop down to
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 3751784 1148396 16228 2480488 3272716 Swap: 24157176 2422956 21734220
but really the bottom line is I need more memory for the tasks at hand. Firefox has all these weird processes running eating up lots of memory and swapping like crazy. Probably bad for my SSD drive.
So how to get to 16GB memory?
What follows the x140e in the 12" format? I can't figure this out from basic Lenovo sales stuff. Probably going to have to find a Lenovo forum to get the info.
But CompuRAM in UK says they can support up to 32GB on the x140e using "newer SO-DIMM chips". Crucial only sells 4GB for the x140e.
Anyone have any knowledge on this? Other than booting and getting into settings, how do I figure out my bios version? And to see if Lenovo has a newer one that probably CompuRAM is counting on?
Any US memory sources that will support more memory for the x140e? I really don't want to deal with overseas shipping and support.
And back to the "newer" hardware question on 140 followon.
thanks for any input. All this swapping is taking time when I really have to wait for the system to bring in what is needed and things to start working.
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I have 18 instances of Firefox running. All with multiple tabs for different projects. I use top a lot, but only with defaults and don't see from the manpage how to sort by RSS. Here is a 'simple' copy of top:
Tasks: 266 total, 2 running, 264 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie %Cpu(s): 17.4 us, 9.2 sy, 0.0 ni, 72.0 id, 0.0 wa, 1.2 hi, 0.2 si, 0.0 st MiB Mem : 7207.7 total, 678.7 free, 6235.8 used, 293.1 buff/cache MiB Swap: 23591.0 total, 17723.1 free, 5867.9 used. 680.5 avail Mem
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 311428 rgm 20 0 4472108 282892 52312 S 32.3 3.8 83:11.00 GeckoMain 318444 rgm 20 0 2484192 42284 31188 S 11.6 0.6 4:15.29 Isolated Web + 995 root 20 0 978020 47764 17620 R 10.2 0.6 930:38.94 Xorg 1561 rgm 20 0 193304 16100 2216 S 8.3 0.2 1072:30 pipewire-pulse 124 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 4.6 0.0 201:38.20 kswapd0 1559 rgm 20 0 131104 4572 2312 S 4.6 0.1 590:18.02 pipewire 311165 rgm 20 0 4433824 204088 30632 S 4.6 2.8 20:55.96 thunderbird 1359 rgm 20 0 1223972 16700 9748 S 4.0 0.2 75:50.16 xfwm4 315376 rgm 20 0 2732856 133556 27256 S 4.0 1.8 6:08.20 Isolated Web + 38 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 3.6 0.0 62:49.14 kcompactd0 312140 rgm 20 0 2488436 19196 13760 S 2.6 0.3 6:47.73 Isolated Web + 311727 rgm 20 0 2567436 74584 13952 S 2.3 1.0 7:45.49 Isolated Web + 316664 rgm 20 0 2696948 64788 15756 S 1.7 0.9 1:52.87 Isolated Web + 311949 rgm 20 0 2794036 86796 18400 S 1.3 1.2 4:34.23 Isolated Web + 313216 rgm 20 0 2708484 77072 16160 S 1.3 1.0 7:06.57 Isolated Web + 318480 rgm 20 0 2633452 19660 14432 S 1.3 0.3 0:34.27 Isolated Web + 319746 rgm 20 0 10612 4196 3324 R 1.3 0.1 0:00.11 top
In a couple days, I will see the swap usage grow. Until I Quit firefox, then restart with all the old windows opening.
But I really never exit Firefox unless forced to.
On 1/11/22 16:33, John Mellor wrote:
What on earth are you doing in Firefox and Thunderbird to use that swap? I have multiple 8GB machines running the same Fedora, Firefox and Thunderbird, and virtually never get into swap at all. Two the these machines are also Lenovo. This makes no sense, so there must be something else hogging all that memory. Do a top and sort by RSS and see what the real problem app is.
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On 2022-01-11 12:30 p.m., Robert Moskowitz wrote:
The specs for my Lenovo x140e is 8GB, which I have and it seems to be not enough.
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 6930852 262676 1492 187140 221144 Swap: 24157176 12044096 12113080
Firefox seems to be a bit part of the problem. I quit it and see:
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 5146100 1776840 1364 457728 1948864 Swap: 24157176 5270956 18886220
I am running a VM at 2Gb and a couple of Thunderbird sessions. Closing these TB and waiting a while I drop down to
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 3751784 1148396 16228 2480488 3272716 Swap: 24157176 2422956 21734220
but really the bottom line is I need more memory for the tasks at hand. Firefox has all these weird processes running eating up lots of memory and swapping like crazy. Probably bad for my SSD drive.
So how to get to 16GB memory?
What follows the x140e in the 12" format? I can't figure this out from basic Lenovo sales stuff. Probably going to have to find a Lenovo forum to get the info.
But CompuRAM in UK says they can support up to 32GB on the x140e using "newer SO-DIMM chips". Crucial only sells 4GB for the x140e.
Anyone have any knowledge on this? Other than booting and getting into settings, how do I figure out my bios version? And to see if Lenovo has a newer one that probably CompuRAM is counting on?
Any US memory sources that will support more memory for the x140e? I really don't want to deal with overseas shipping and support.
And back to the "newer" hardware question on 140 followon.
thanks for any input. All this swapping is taking time when I really have to wait for the system to bring in what is needed and things to start working.
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I have 75 Windows with 550 tabs. Across 5 desktops and 4 activities. My machine has 64GB of RAM. It is always responsive.
On Tue, 2022-01-11 at 14:58 -0700, linux guy wrote:
I have 75 Windows with 550 tabs. Across 5 desktops and 4 activities. My machine has 64GB of RAM. It is always responsive.
Okay, we're all coming around to your place to use your computer, then. ;-)
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:56 PM Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com wrote:
In a couple days, I will see the swap usage grow. Until I Quit firefox, then restart with all the old windows opening.
But I really never exit Firefox unless forced to.
TabSessionManager is your friend. Look for it in AddOns.
What version of FF are you running ?
On 1/11/22 17:00, linux guy wrote:
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:56 PM Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com wrote:
In a couple days, I will see the swap usage grow. Until I Quit firefox, then restart with all the old windows opening. But I really never exit Firefox unless forced to.TabSessionManager is your friend. Look for it in AddOns.
I will look for it.
What version of FF are you running ?
What is current in F35: 95.0.2
You can go into the firefox about:config and reduce the number of threads to less. Too many threads seem to make the ram creep worse.
ps axuww | sort -k 6n
I have earlyoom taking care of killing as needed.
in /etc/default/earlyoom I have this set: EARLYOOM_ARGS="-s 90,90 -r 300 -m 2 --prefer '^Web Content$' --avoid '^(dnf|packagekitd|gnome-shell|gnome-session-c|gnome-session-b|lightdm|sddm|sddm-helper|gdm|gdm-wayland-ses|gdm-session-wor|gdm-x-session|Xorg|Xwayland|systemd|systemd-logind|dbus-daemon|dbus-broker|cinnamon|cinnamon-sessio|kwin_x11|kwin_wayland|plasmashell|ksmserver|plasma_session|startplasma-way|xfce4-session|mate-session|marco|lxqt-session|openbox)$'"
I probably need to increase the swap free (90% free required) to say 95% so basically the killing starts if it starts to swap.
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 3:56 PM Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com wrote:
I have 18 instances of Firefox running. All with multiple tabs for different projects. I use top a lot, but only with defaults and don't see from the manpage how to sort by RSS. Here is a 'simple' copy of top:
Tasks: 266 total, 2 running, 264 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie %Cpu(s): 17.4 us, 9.2 sy, 0.0 ni, 72.0 id, 0.0 wa, 1.2 hi, 0.2 si, 0.0 st MiB Mem : 7207.7 total, 678.7 free, 6235.8 used, 293.1 buff/cache MiB Swap: 23591.0 total, 17723.1 free, 5867.9 used. 680.5 avail Mem
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND311428 rgm 20 0 4472108 282892 52312 S 32.3 3.8 83:11.00 GeckoMain 318444 rgm 20 0 2484192 42284 31188 S 11.6 0.6 4:15.29 Isolated Web + 995 root 20 0 978020 47764 17620 R 10.2 0.6 930:38.94 Xorg 1561 rgm 20 0 193304 16100 2216 S 8.3 0.2 1072:30 pipewire-pulse 124 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 4.6 0.0 201:38.20 kswapd0 1559 rgm 20 0 131104 4572 2312 S 4.6 0.1 590:18.02 pipewire 311165 rgm 20 0 4433824 204088 30632 S 4.6 2.8 20:55.96 thunderbird 1359 rgm 20 0 1223972 16700 9748 S 4.0 0.2 75:50.16 xfwm4 315376 rgm 20 0 2732856 133556 27256 S 4.0 1.8 6:08.20 Isolated Web + 38 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 3.6 0.0 62:49.14 kcompactd0 312140 rgm 20 0 2488436 19196 13760 S 2.6 0.3 6:47.73 Isolated Web + 311727 rgm 20 0 2567436 74584 13952 S 2.3 1.0 7:45.49 Isolated Web + 316664 rgm 20 0 2696948 64788 15756 S 1.7 0.9 1:52.87 Isolated Web + 311949 rgm 20 0 2794036 86796 18400 S 1.3 1.2 4:34.23 Isolated Web + 313216 rgm 20 0 2708484 77072 16160 S 1.3 1.0 7:06.57 Isolated Web + 318480 rgm 20 0 2633452 19660 14432 S 1.3 0.3 0:34.27 Isolated Web + 319746 rgm 20 0 10612 4196 3324 R 1.3 0.1 0:00.11 top
In a couple days, I will see the swap usage grow. Until I Quit firefox, then restart with all the old windows opening.
But I really never exit Firefox unless forced to.
On 1/11/22 16:33, John Mellor wrote:
What on earth are you doing in Firefox and Thunderbird to use that swap? I have multiple 8GB machines running the same Fedora, Firefox and Thunderbird, and virtually never get into swap at all. Two the these machines are also Lenovo. This makes no sense, so there must be something else hogging all that memory. Do a top and sort by RSS and see what the real problem app is.
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On 2022-01-11 12:30 p.m., Robert Moskowitz wrote:
The specs for my Lenovo x140e is 8GB, which I have and it seems to be not enough.
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 6930852 262676 1492 187140 221144 Swap: 24157176 12044096 12113080
Firefox seems to be a bit part of the problem. I quit it and see:
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 5146100 1776840 1364 457728 1948864 Swap: 24157176 5270956 18886220
I am running a VM at 2Gb and a couple of Thunderbird sessions. Closing these TB and waiting a while I drop down to
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 3751784 1148396 16228 2480488 3272716 Swap: 24157176 2422956 21734220
but really the bottom line is I need more memory for the tasks at hand. Firefox has all these weird processes running eating up lots of memory and swapping like crazy. Probably bad for my SSD drive.
So how to get to 16GB memory?
What follows the x140e in the 12" format? I can't figure this out from basic Lenovo sales stuff. Probably going to have to find a Lenovo forum to get the info.
But CompuRAM in UK says they can support up to 32GB on the x140e using "newer SO-DIMM chips". Crucial only sells 4GB for the x140e.
Anyone have any knowledge on this? Other than booting and getting into settings, how do I figure out my bios version? And to see if Lenovo has a newer one that probably CompuRAM is counting on?
Any US memory sources that will support more memory for the x140e? I really don't want to deal with overseas shipping and support.
And back to the "newer" hardware question on 140 followon.
thanks for any input. All this swapping is taking time when I really have to wait for the system to bring in what is needed and things to start working.
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if it is not installed, dnf install earlyoom.
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 4:04 PM Roger Heflin rogerheflin@gmail.com wrote:
You can go into the firefox about:config and reduce the number of threads to less. Too many threads seem to make the ram creep worse.
ps axuww | sort -k 6n
I have earlyoom taking care of killing as needed.
in /etc/default/earlyoom I have this set: EARLYOOM_ARGS="-s 90,90 -r 300 -m 2 --prefer '^Web Content$' --avoid '^(dnf|packagekitd|gnome-shell|gnome-session-c|gnome-session-b|lightdm|sddm|sddm-helper|gdm|gdm-wayland-ses|gdm-session-wor|gdm-x-session|Xorg|Xwayland|systemd|systemd-logind|dbus-daemon|dbus-broker|cinnamon|cinnamon-sessio|kwin_x11|kwin_wayland|plasmashell|ksmserver|plasma_session|startplasma-way|xfce4-session|mate-session|marco|lxqt-session|openbox)$'"
I probably need to increase the swap free (90% free required) to say 95% so basically the killing starts if it starts to swap.
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 3:56 PM Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com wrote:
I have 18 instances of Firefox running. All with multiple tabs for different projects. I use top a lot, but only with defaults and don't see from the manpage how to sort by RSS. Here is a 'simple' copy of top:
Tasks: 266 total, 2 running, 264 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie %Cpu(s): 17.4 us, 9.2 sy, 0.0 ni, 72.0 id, 0.0 wa, 1.2 hi, 0.2 si, 0.0 st MiB Mem : 7207.7 total, 678.7 free, 6235.8 used, 293.1 buff/cache MiB Swap: 23591.0 total, 17723.1 free, 5867.9 used. 680.5 avail Mem
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND311428 rgm 20 0 4472108 282892 52312 S 32.3 3.8 83:11.00 GeckoMain 318444 rgm 20 0 2484192 42284 31188 S 11.6 0.6 4:15.29 Isolated Web + 995 root 20 0 978020 47764 17620 R 10.2 0.6 930:38.94 Xorg 1561 rgm 20 0 193304 16100 2216 S 8.3 0.2 1072:30 pipewire-pulse 124 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 4.6 0.0 201:38.20 kswapd0 1559 rgm 20 0 131104 4572 2312 S 4.6 0.1 590:18.02 pipewire 311165 rgm 20 0 4433824 204088 30632 S 4.6 2.8 20:55.96 thunderbird 1359 rgm 20 0 1223972 16700 9748 S 4.0 0.2 75:50.16 xfwm4 315376 rgm 20 0 2732856 133556 27256 S 4.0 1.8 6:08.20 Isolated Web + 38 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 3.6 0.0 62:49.14 kcompactd0 312140 rgm 20 0 2488436 19196 13760 S 2.6 0.3 6:47.73 Isolated Web + 311727 rgm 20 0 2567436 74584 13952 S 2.3 1.0 7:45.49 Isolated Web + 316664 rgm 20 0 2696948 64788 15756 S 1.7 0.9 1:52.87 Isolated Web + 311949 rgm 20 0 2794036 86796 18400 S 1.3 1.2 4:34.23 Isolated Web + 313216 rgm 20 0 2708484 77072 16160 S 1.3 1.0 7:06.57 Isolated Web + 318480 rgm 20 0 2633452 19660 14432 S 1.3 0.3 0:34.27 Isolated Web + 319746 rgm 20 0 10612 4196 3324 R 1.3 0.1 0:00.11 top
In a couple days, I will see the swap usage grow. Until I Quit firefox, then restart with all the old windows opening.
But I really never exit Firefox unless forced to.
On 1/11/22 16:33, John Mellor wrote:
What on earth are you doing in Firefox and Thunderbird to use that swap? I have multiple 8GB machines running the same Fedora, Firefox and Thunderbird, and virtually never get into swap at all. Two the these machines are also Lenovo. This makes no sense, so there must be something else hogging all that memory. Do a top and sort by RSS and see what the real problem app is.
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On 2022-01-11 12:30 p.m., Robert Moskowitz wrote:
The specs for my Lenovo x140e is 8GB, which I have and it seems to be not enough.
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 6930852 262676 1492 187140 221144 Swap: 24157176 12044096 12113080
Firefox seems to be a bit part of the problem. I quit it and see:
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 5146100 1776840 1364 457728 1948864 Swap: 24157176 5270956 18886220
I am running a VM at 2Gb and a couple of Thunderbird sessions. Closing these TB and waiting a while I drop down to
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 3751784 1148396 16228 2480488 3272716 Swap: 24157176 2422956 21734220
but really the bottom line is I need more memory for the tasks at hand. Firefox has all these weird processes running eating up lots of memory and swapping like crazy. Probably bad for my SSD drive.
So how to get to 16GB memory?
What follows the x140e in the 12" format? I can't figure this out from basic Lenovo sales stuff. Probably going to have to find a Lenovo forum to get the info.
But CompuRAM in UK says they can support up to 32GB on the x140e using "newer SO-DIMM chips". Crucial only sells 4GB for the x140e.
Anyone have any knowledge on this? Other than booting and getting into settings, how do I figure out my bios version? And to see if Lenovo has a newer one that probably CompuRAM is counting on?
Any US memory sources that will support more memory for the x140e? I really don't want to deal with overseas shipping and support.
And back to the "newer" hardware question on 140 followon.
thanks for any input. All this swapping is taking time when I really have to wait for the system to bring in what is needed and things to start working.
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On 12/01/2022 01:30, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
The specs for my Lenovo x140e is 8GB, which I have and it seems to be not enough.
$ free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7380668 6930852 262676 1492 187140 221144 Swap: 24157176 12044096 12113080
My system shows
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ sudo free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 8118368 7351576 130844 249296 635948 232156 Swap: 25838584 2523136 23315448
I'm running chrome (14 open tabs), thunderbird, libreoffice calc, konsole, and 4VMs (2GB allocated to each). I've got no problem. I'm also running zram
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ swapon --show NAME TYPE SIZE USED PRIO /dev/sda2 partition 16.9G 0B -2 /dev/zram0 partition 7.7G 6G 100
So, memory is being used as swap making it much faster. And, as you can see, no disk swap is being used.
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