M2 on laptop

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

I wanted to install fedora 33 on a laptop with a M2 SSD 128.Go, but it is not
recognized by fdisk (fedora live WK).
Is a driver missing?
The SSD is recognized by he bios.

Thanks

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[Digimer]

On 2021-04-08 1:45 p.m., Patrick Dupre wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I wanted to install fedora 33 on a laptop with a M2 SSD 128.Go, but it is not
> recognized by fdisk (fedora live WK).
> Is a driver missing?
> The SSD is recognized by he bios.
>
> Thanks

Your question is vague and lacking in details. This might help;

https://opensource.com/life/16/10/how-ask-technical-questions

[Patrick Dupre]

> > Hello,
> >
> > I wanted to install fedora 33 on a laptop with a M2 SSD 128.Go, but it is not
> > recognized by fdisk (fedora live WK).
> > Is a driver missing?
> > The SSD is recognized by the bios.

It is a Dell laptop.
Is is an internal M2 format!
I boot on the fedora live USB key.
neither fidsk or cfdifk or gparted see the SSD
(only the USB key is recognized)
> > Thanks
>
> Your question is vague and lacking in details. This might help;
>
> https://opensource.com/life/16/10/how-ask-technical-questions
>
> -- 
> Digimer
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[Terry Polzin]

Anything in dmsg ?

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 2:22 PM Patrick Dupre  wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I wanted to install fedora 33 on a laptop with a M2 SSD 128.Go, but it
>
> is not
> > > recognized by fdisk (fedora live WK).
> > > Is a driver missing?
> > > The SSD is recognized by the bios.
>
> It is a Dell laptop.
> Is is an internal M2 format!
> I boot on the fedora live USB key.
> neither fidsk or cfdifk or gparted see the SSD
> (only the USB key is recognized)
> > > Thanks
> >
> > Your question is vague and lacking in details. This might help;
> >
> > https://opensource.com/life/16/10/how-ask-technical-questions
> >
> > --
> > Digimer
> > Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.com/w/
> > "I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of
> > Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent
> > have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." - Stephen Jay Gould
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[Patrick Dupre]

According to the information that I grabbed.
This SSD has a windows installed
The drive would be encrypted.

My original idea what to install a dual-boot.
It seems compromised.
Is it a way for microsoft to fight against Linux?
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I wanted to install fedora 33 on a laptop with a M2 SSD 128.Go, but it is not
> > > recognized by fdisk (fedora live WK).
> > > Is a driver missing?
> > > The SSD is recognized by the bios.
>
> It is a Dell laptop.
> Is is an internal M2 format!
> I boot on the fedora live USB key.
> neither fidsk or cfdifk or gparted see the SSD
> (only the USB key is recognized)
> > > Thanks
> >
> > Your question is vague and lacking in details. This might help;
> >
> > https://opensource.com/life/16/10/how-ask-technical-questions
> >
> > -- 
> > Digimer
> > Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.com/w/
> > "I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of
> > Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent
> > have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." - Stephen Jay Gould
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在 2021-04-08星期四的 22:04 +0200，Patrick Dupre写道：
> According to the information that I grabbed.
> This SSD has a windows installed
> The drive would be encrypted.

Usually encrypted means bitlocker, while it is on filesystem level
and have nothing to do with the hardware.

For a m.2 device, it can be either on SATA bus or PCIe bus as a NVME
device, see if 
lspci |grep "Non-Volatile memory controller"
or
dmesg |grep nvme 
gives you information about the disk. If no output above, then see 
dmesg |grep SATA
if still no output, we can tell that the disk is not recognized after
all.
> My original idea what to install a dual-boot.
> It seems compromised.
> Is it a way for microsoft to fight against Linux?
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to install fedora 33 on a laptop with a M2 SSD 128.Go,
> > > > but it is not
> > > > recognized by fdisk (fedora live WK).
> > > > Is a driver missing?
> > > > The SSD is recognized by the bios.
> >
> > It is a Dell laptop.
> > Is is an internal M2 format!
> > I boot on the fedora live USB key.
> > neither fidsk or cfdifk or gparted see the SSD
> > (only the USB key is recognized)
> > > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Your question is vague and lacking in details. This might help;
> > >
> > > https://opensource.com/life/16/10/how-ask-technical-questions
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > Digimer
> > > Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.com/w/
> > > "I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of
> > > Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal
> > > talent
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> > > Jay Gould
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[Fulko Hew]

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 2:22 PM Patrick Dupre  wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I wanted to install fedora 33 on a laptop with a M2 SSD 128.Go, but it
>
> is not
> > > recognized by fdisk (fedora live WK).
> > > Is a driver missing?
> > > The SSD is recognized by the bios.
>
> It is a Dell laptop.
> Is is an internal M2 format!
> I boot on the fedora live USB key.
> neither fidsk or cfdifk or gparted see the SSD
> (only the USB key is recognized)

I'm interested in this too.
I'd like to install the OS on the SSD drive (without atime) so it
can all be relatively read-only.  And put /home onto the spinning
drive I just purchased for it.  B.T.W.  It's a Dell G3 laptop.

[Greg Woods]

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 11:46 AM Patrick Dupre  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I wanted to install fedora 33 on a laptop with a M2 SSD 128.Go, but it is
> not
> recognized by fdisk (fedora live WK).

Dell likes to configure the SSD as a RAID in the BIOS. Even though their
Windows installation is not using it as a RAID device.  When it is set to
RAID in the BIOS, Linux cannot see it. For Linux to run, it must be set to
AHCI mode. In my relatively new Dell workstation, this is under System
Configuration -> SATA Operations.

It "should" be safe (all I can say is that it was for me) to go in and
verify that your SATA mode is set RAID (in which case this is likely the
cause of your problem), set it to AHCI, and then boot your Linux USB stick.
It should then see the SSD.

Unfortunately, Windows will now not boot unless you change it back to RAID.
If you were planning to keep the installed Windows system (which I wanted
to do), then there is a procedure you can Google for (it might have even
been referred to on this list) that will allow the Dell-installed Windows
to boot in non-RAID mode. I followed the directions and can now dual boot
Windows and Linux out of the GRUB menu.

--Greg

[José Abílio Matos]

On Friday, April 9, 2021 1:11:01 AM WEST Greg Woods wrote:
> Dell likes to configure the SSD as a RAID in the BIOS. Even though their
> Windows installation is not using it as a RAID device.  When it is set to 
> RAID in the BIOS, Linux cannot see it. For Linux to run, it must be set to
> AHCI mode. In my relatively new Dell workstation, this is under System
> Configuration -> SATA Operations.
>
> It "should" be safe (all I can say is that it was for me) to go in and
> verify that your SATA mode is set RAID (in which case this is likely the
> cause of your problem), set it to AHCI, and then boot your Linux USB stick.
> It should then see the SSD.
>
> Unfortunately, Windows will now not boot unless you change it back to RAID.
> If you were planning to keep the installed Windows system (which I wanted
> to do), then there is a procedure you can Google for (it might have even
> been referred to on this list) that will allow the Dell-installed Windows
> to boot in non-RAID mode. I followed the directions and can now dual boot
> Windows and Linux out of the GRUB menu.
>
> --Greg

This is +1 message. :-)

Yesterday I had precisely the same issue and the solution that Greg stated was 
the solution. This was a Dell XPS 15.

In this case the windows version was erased so there was no need for the 
workaround. Looking in the BIOS, in the storage section, was enough to see 
that the chosen configuration was RAID, changing it to AHCI allowed the 
installer to see the disk and to proceed with the installation.

Regards,

[Patrick Dupre]

> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2021 at 9:46 AM
> From: "José Abílio Matos" 
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: M2 on laptop
>
> On Friday, April 9, 2021 1:11:01 AM WEST Greg Woods wrote:
> > Dell likes to configure the SSD as a RAID in the BIOS. Even though their
> > Windows installation is not using it as a RAID device.  When it is set to 
> > RAID in the BIOS, Linux cannot see it. For Linux to run, it must be set to
> > AHCI mode. In my relatively new Dell workstation, this is under System
> > Configuration -> SATA Operations.
> >
> > It "should" be safe (all I can say is that it was for me) to go in and
> > verify that your SATA mode is set RAID (in which case this is likely the
> > cause of your problem), set it to AHCI, and then boot your Linux USB stick.
> > It should then see the SSD.
> >
> > Unfortunately, Windows will now not boot unless you change it back to RAID.
> > If you were planning to keep the installed Windows system (which I wanted
> > to do), then there is a procedure you can Google for (it might have even
> > been referred to on this list) that will allow the Dell-installed Windows
> > to boot in non-RAID mode. I followed the directions and can now dual boot
> > Windows and Linux out of the GRUB menu.
> >
> > --Greg
>
> This is +1 message. :-)
>
> Yesterday I had precisely the same issue and the solution that Greg stated was 
> the solution. This was a Dell XPS 15.
>
> In this case the windows version was erased so there was no need for the 
> workaround. Looking in the BIOS, in the storage section, was enough to see 
> that the chosen configuration was RAID, changing it to AHCI allowed the 
> installer to see the disk and to proceed with the installation.
> Regards,
>
> José Matos

Finally can I expect to install a dual-boot by keeping the installed windows running after shrinking the 
original partition if I need?
These 2 comments do not seem to match together.

[Roger Heflin]

Depending on whose fake-raid it is you might be able to provide an
extra driver for it, or need an extra option.  I know that the intel
raids have some sort of pieces that will allow dm-raid to see and
manage them.  Beyond that I don't know much about it as I always
attempt to avoid using the fake-raid no matter what.    If you find
the part that makes it work that part would need to continue to be in
the initramfs for any updating going forward so at best it is going to
be troublesome in the future.

And most of the laptops that have an M2 may also still have an open
real sata location (maybe even with a cable) that you could also put a
sata ssd or spinning disk in, and dual boot that way.   The 2 most
recent ones I have opened that came with a M2 both had a location but
only one had the correct cable for power and sata.

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 4:22 AM Patrick Dupre  wrote:
> > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2021 at 9:46 AM
> > From: "José Abílio Matos" 
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: Re: M2 on laptop
> >
> > On Friday, April 9, 2021 1:11:01 AM WEST Greg Woods wrote:
> > > Dell likes to configure the SSD as a RAID in the BIOS. Even though their
> > > Windows installation is not using it as a RAID device.  When it is set to
> > > RAID in the BIOS, Linux cannot see it. For Linux to run, it must be set to
> > > AHCI mode. In my relatively new Dell workstation, this is under System
> > > Configuration -> SATA Operations.
> > >
> > > It "should" be safe (all I can say is that it was for me) to go in and
> > > verify that your SATA mode is set RAID (in which case this is likely the
> > > cause of your problem), set it to AHCI, and then boot your Linux USB stick.
> > > It should then see the SSD.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, Windows will now not boot unless you change it back to RAID.
> > > If you were planning to keep the installed Windows system (which I wanted
> > > to do), then there is a procedure you can Google for (it might have even
> > > been referred to on this list) that will allow the Dell-installed Windows
> > > to boot in non-RAID mode. I followed the directions and can now dual boot
> > > Windows and Linux out of the GRUB menu.
> > >
> > > --Greg
> >
> > This is +1 message. :-)
> >
> > Yesterday I had precisely the same issue and the solution that Greg stated was
> > the solution. This was a Dell XPS 15.
> >
> > In this case the windows version was erased so there was no need for the
> > workaround. Looking in the BIOS, in the storage section, was enough to see
> > that the chosen configuration was RAID, changing it to AHCI allowed the
> > installer to see the disk and to proceed with the installation.
> > Regards,
> >
> > José Matos
>
> Finally can I expect to install a dual-boot by keeping the installed windows running after shrinking the
> original partition if I need?
> These 2 comments do not seem to match together.
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[Fulko Hew]

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 7:26 AM Roger Heflin  wrote:

... snip ...

And most of the laptops that have an M2 may also still have an open
> real sata location (maybe even with a cable) that you could also put a
> sata ssd or spinning disk in, and dual boot that way.   The 2 most
> recent ones I have opened that came with a M2 both had a location but
> only one had the correct cable for power and sata.

The Dell G3 I acquired fits that bill.  I ordered the requisite
parts from Dell, and they came yesterday:

$ 0.73 for the mounting bracket
$ 0.68 for the cable
$ 0.12 for the 3 mounting screws to attach the bracket to the chassis
$11.96 for the 4 screws to attach the drive to the bracket

Oh, and $15 shipping and handling.

[Kevin Becker]

On Thu, 2021-04-08 at 18:11 -0600, Greg Woods wrote:
> Dell likes to configure the SSD as a RAID in the BIOS. Even though
> their Windows installation is not using it as a RAID device.  When it
> is set to  RAID in the BIOS, Linux cannot see it. For Linux to run,
> it must be set to AHCI mode. In my relatively new Dell workstation,
> this is under System Configuration -> SATA Operations.
>
> It "should" be safe (all I can say is that it was for me) to go in
> and verify that your SATA mode is set RAID (in which case this is
> likely the cause of your problem), set it to AHCI, and then boot your
> Linux USB stick. It should then see the SSD.
>
> Unfortunately, Windows will now not boot unless you change it back to
> RAID. If you were planning to keep the installed Windows system
> (which I wanted to do), then there is a procedure you can Google for
> (it might have even been referred to on this list) that will allow
> the Dell-installed Windows to boot in non-RAID mode. I followed the
> directions and can now dual boot Windows and Linux out of the GRUB
> menu.

I believe I have shared this link before on the list.  It worked to
allow me to keep my existing Windows installation dual boot my Dell XPS
13 (after resizing the partition of course)

https://support.thinkcritical.com/kb/articles/switch-windows-10-from-raid-id...

[bruce]

Hi guys!!

Thanks for the information helping the OP with his/her/their issue.

I'm not trying to take over the thread, but I'm going to run into a
similar situation.

I'm thinking of getting a laptop (hp/lenovo/dell) that would have
windows installed on the SSD. I'm thinking of getting an additional 2G
2.5" SATA and would like to be able to dual boot windows/fed (or
rhel).

For those of you who've gone down this path. What are issues I need to
be aware of that I can resolve prior to getting the box? Questions I
should ask the presales tech support?

Thanks much!

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 9:59 AM Kevin Becker  wrote:
> On Thu, 2021-04-08 at 18:11 -0600, Greg Woods wrote:
>
> Dell likes to configure the SSD as a RAID in the BIOS. Even though their Windows installation is not using it as a RAID device.  When it is set to  RAID in the BIOS, Linux cannot see it. For Linux to run, it must be set to AHCI mode. In my relatively new Dell workstation, this is under System Configuration -> SATA Operations.
>
> It "should" be safe (all I can say is that it was for me) to go in and verify that your SATA mode is set RAID (in which case this is likely the cause of your problem), set it to AHCI, and then boot your Linux USB stick. It should then see the SSD.
>
> Unfortunately, Windows will now not boot unless you change it back to RAID. If you were planning to keep the installed Windows system (which I wanted to do), then there is a procedure you can Google for (it might have even been referred to on this list) that will allow the Dell-installed Windows to boot in non-RAID mode. I followed the directions and can now dual boot Windows and Linux out of the GRUB menu.
>
> I believe I have shared this link before on the list.  It worked to allow me to keep my existing Windows installation dual boot my Dell XPS 13 (after resizing the partition of course)
>
> https://support.thinkcritical.com/kb/articles/switch-windows-10-from-raid-id...
>
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[Roger Heflin]

You can likely ask pre-sales tech support every question you want to,
it will likely resolve nothing.   The odds of any answer they give you
(on something like this) being right is 50/50 (ie not to be trusted
nor relied on).   Checking the manual and what other people trying to
do similar things say is going to be much more accurate (google the
model).   Most tech support are trained to be confident in what they
say hence you can never tell if they are a deer in the headlights
making things up.   I have only really caught them at the time when I
immediately know what they just said was not true.   So if you ask all
of the questions you may only end up buying from the company with the
most confident sounding tech support person that made it all up.

It is not a great state but it seems to be reality.  I won't waste the
time asking the questions because the accuracy of the info I get is so
low that the info cannot be used.

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 10:58 AM bruce  wrote:
> Hi guys!!
>
> Thanks for the information helping the OP with his/her/their issue.
>
> I'm not trying to take over the thread, but I'm going to run into a
> similar situation.
>
> I'm thinking of getting a laptop (hp/lenovo/dell) that would have
> windows installed on the SSD. I'm thinking of getting an additional 2G
> 2.5" SATA and would like to be able to dual boot windows/fed (or
> rhel).
>
> For those of you who've gone down this path. What are issues I need to
> be aware of that I can resolve prior to getting the box? Questions I
> should ask the presales tech support?
>
> Thanks much!
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 9:59 AM Kevin Becker  wrote:
> > On Thu, 2021-04-08 at 18:11 -0600, Greg Woods wrote:
> >
> > Dell likes to configure the SSD as a RAID in the BIOS. Even though their Windows installation is not using it as a RAID device.  When it is set to  RAID in the BIOS, Linux cannot see it. For Linux to run, it must be set to AHCI mode. In my relatively new Dell workstation, this is under System Configuration -> SATA Operations.
> >
> > It "should" be safe (all I can say is that it was for me) to go in and verify that your SATA mode is set RAID (in which case this is likely the cause of your problem), set it to AHCI, and then boot your Linux USB stick. It should then see the SSD.
> >
> > Unfortunately, Windows will now not boot unless you change it back to RAID. If you were planning to keep the installed Windows system (which I wanted to do), then there is a procedure you can Google for (it might have even been referred to on this list) that will allow the Dell-installed Windows to boot in non-RAID mode. I followed the directions and can now dual boot Windows and Linux out of the GRUB menu.
> >
> > I believe I have shared this link before on the list.  It worked to allow me to keep my existing Windows installation dual boot my Dell XPS 13 (after resizing the partition of course)
> >
> > https://support.thinkcritical.com/kb/articles/switch-windows-10-from-raid-id...
> >
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[Arelm]

Hello Everyone.
Some time ago I helped a friend purchase a Dell laptop (I don’t remember which crowd she got the laptop from) and specified that the drive be partitioned accordingly and configured dual boot windows and Linux.
They did so without question but would not install Linux because they contract to windows.

Maybe making such a specification before purchase is still feasible.
Just thinking
Cheers
Roger
> On 10 Apr 2021, at 1:58 am, bruce  wrote:
>
> Hi guys!!
>
> Thanks for the information helping the OP with his/her/their issue.
>
> I'm not trying to take over the thread, but I'm going to run into a
> similar situation.
>
> I'm thinking of getting a laptop (hp/lenovo/dell) that would have
> windows installed on the SSD. I'm thinking of getting an additional 2G
> 2.5" SATA and would like to be able to dual boot windows/fed (or
> rhel).
>
> For those of you who've gone down this path. What are issues I need to
> be aware of that I can resolve prior to getting the box? Questions I
> should ask the presales tech support?
>
> Thanks much!
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 9:59 AM Kevin Becker  wrote:
> > On Thu, 2021-04-08 at 18:11 -0600, Greg Woods wrote:
> >
> > Dell likes to configure the SSD as a RAID in the BIOS. Even though their Windows installation is not using it as a RAID device.  When it is set to  RAID in the BIOS, Linux cannot see it. For Linux to run, it must be set to AHCI mode. In my relatively new Dell workstation, this is under System Configuration -> SATA Operations.
> >
> > It "should" be safe (all I can say is that it was for me) to go in and verify that your SATA mode is set RAID (in which case this is likely the cause of your problem), set it to AHCI, and then boot your Linux USB stick. It should then see the SSD.
> >
> > Unfortunately, Windows will now not boot unless you change it back to RAID. If you were planning to keep the installed Windows system (which I wanted to do), then there is a procedure you can Google for (it might have even been referred to on this list) that will allow the Dell-installed Windows to boot in non-RAID mode. I followed the directions and can now dual boot Windows and Linux out of the GRUB menu.
> >
> > I believe I have shared this link before on the list.  It worked to allow me to keep my existing Windows installation dual boot my Dell XPS 13 (after resizing the partition of course)
> >
> > https://support.thinkcritical.com/kb/articles/switch-windows-10-from-raid-id...
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