Hello, having a new 13.3" laptop with resolution of 1920x1080 and Fedora 30, I see that Gnome only gives me option of 100% scaling (that renders with too small fonts ans duch in my opinion) and 200% (that instead appears as too big). The laptop is dual boot and I see that the Windows 10 set by default 125% scaling after installation Searching around I only found at the moment an Ubuntu related thread here https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029436/enable-fractional-scaling-for-ubuntu... and what I have tried and works (after reboot) is the suggested gsetting command
gsettings set org.gnome.mutter experimental-features "['scale-monitor-framebuffer']"
And this if I understand implies to continue to use Wayland... Any better experience if using XOrg in Fedora 30 with these kind of displays resolutions and dimensions? Any other options? Thanks, Gianluca
On Sun, 12 May 2019 19:00:32 +0200 Gianluca Cecchi gianluca.cecchi@gmail.com wrote:
having a new 13.3" laptop with resolution of 1920x1080 and Fedora 30, I see that Gnome only gives me option of 100% scaling (that renders with too small fonts ans duch in my opinion) and 200% (that instead appears as too big).
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And this if I understand implies to continue to use Wayland... Any better experience if using XOrg in Fedora 30 with these kind of displays resolutions and dimensions?
I don't know about Gnome, but in KDE with Xorg you can scale the display anywhere between 100% to 400%, in steps of 10%. My laptop has a native resolution 3200x1800, and I find it convenient to keep it scaled up to 150%.
Given this, I believe that Gnome should also scale correctly with Xorg. You may also look at man xrandr, in particular the --scale option (RandR version 1.3). Likely this is what is actually being used under the hood of both Gnome and KDE.
HTH, :-) Marko
On 12May2019 19:00, Gianluca Cecchi gianluca.cecchi@gmail.com wrote:
having a new 13.3" laptop with resolution of 1920x1080 and Fedora 30, I see that Gnome only gives me option of 100% scaling (that renders with too small fonts ans duch in my opinion) and 200% (that instead appears as too big).
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Not a solution to your problem I'm afraid, but a query.
Doesn't scaling your display inherently involve blurring the stuff rendered on it?
My own tendency is to adjust the settings so that I'm using a font my eyes like; everything else is generally as small as possible (to get maximum stuff on the screen) - even the font is as small as my eyes will deal with.
I prefer to pick a good font and have pixel sharp rendering of the rest.
Am I naive?
He says, typing on a 15" retina Mac in native resolution: 2880x1800: https://postimg.cc/V0dy2DRS
Cheers, Cameron Simpson cs@cskk.id.au
On Mon, 13 May 2019 08:54:36 +1000 Cameron Simpson cs@cskk.id.au wrote:
On 12May2019 19:00, Gianluca Cecchi gianluca.cecchi@gmail.com wrote:
having a new 13.3" laptop with resolution of 1920x1080 and Fedora 30, I see that Gnome only gives me option of 100% scaling (that renders with too small fonts ans duch in my opinion) and 200% (that instead appears as too big).
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Doesn't scaling your display inherently involve blurring the stuff rendered on it?
In my case, not visibly, no. My 3200x1800 scaled up 1.5 times on a 15-inch laptop display looks just great.
However, I believe this depends on the hardware you have, the scaling algorithm for the relative resolutions you use, and of course your eyes. :-)
My own tendency is to adjust the settings so that I'm using a font my eyes like; everything else is generally as small as possible (to get maximum stuff on the screen) - even the font is as small as my eyes will deal with.
In how many places you need to resize the fonts, to have everything appear correctly? Do you use apps from both the Gnome and KDE world simultaneously (I do)? It seems to me that setting one slider is far easier than manually resizing a whole bunch of font sizes.
How about the scroll-bars, are they wide enough to easily point to? Do you do any manual resizing of windows, i.e., is it easy to point to the low-right corner of the window to engage the resizing?
I agree that the screen space is a premium on laptops, but I tend to solve that problem by using multiple workspaces/screens (typically eight) and having only one app in fullscreen in each. More than enough room for everything. ;-)
HTH, :-) Marko
On 13May2019 02:29, Marko Vojinovic vvmarko@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2019 08:54:36 +1000 Cameron Simpson cs@cskk.id.au wrote:
Doesn't scaling your display inherently involve blurring the stuff rendered on it?
In my case, not visibly, no. My 3200x1800 scaled up 1.5 times on a 15-inch laptop display looks just great.
Hmm, interesting.
However, I believe this depends on the hardware you have, the scaling algorithm for the relative resolutions you use, and of course your eyes. :-)
I suspect Apple try quite hard at that; in fact using a native resolution on my Mac requires a nonApple app to access the mode (it isn't forbidden, just not directly offered).
Fortunately my eye impairment is mostly distance. Up close is dimishing slowly, but it is still fairly good. I'm using Monaco 9, which seems to be about 8x16 pixels in size on a 2880x1800 15" screen.
My own tendency is to adjust the settings so that I'm using a font my eyes like; everything else is generally as small as possible (to get maximum stuff on the screen) - even the font is as small as my eyes will deal with.
In how many places you need to resize the fonts, to have everything appear correctly? Do you use apps from both the Gnome and KDE world simultaneously (I do)? It seems to me that setting one slider is far easier than manually resizing a whole bunch of font sizes.
Fair enough, though my screen is usually 100% terminals and/or a web browser.
How about the scroll-bars, are they wide enough to easily point to?
Happily on a Mac, I can make the scroll bars almost universally hidden. I usually scroll with the touch pad or the page up/down key. I hate pointing at scroll bars, and hide them in X11 as well.
Do you do any manual resizing of windows, i.e., is it easy to point to the low-right corner of the window to engage the resizing?
I almost always size to fixed screen proportions (full screen, half screen, quarter screen, etc, all with keystrokes). Same in X11 land.
Most Mac apps just want you to be within about 0.5cm of a corner to drag it for resize. In X11 I use FVWM configured to resize with Alt-drag, so there's no need to aim very hard at a corner, as I recall.
I agree that the screen space is a premium on laptops, but I tend to solve that problem by using multiple workspaces/screens (typically eight) and having only one app in fullscreen in each. More than enough room for everything. ;-)
I wish. On the rare occasions when I have multiple screens I do tend to puts browsers and doco (and possible the running instance of what I'm working on) on the secondary screen, with terminals on the main screen.
On the laptop I tend to work with the screen apportioned in halves: either a terminal in both (often subdivided), or a browser in one half.
Things that go to better screen use include multiple desktops (named in X11, less flexibly in MacOS), and the very cool MacOS "hide app" keystroke, great for getting one app (or _all_ other apps) hidden, giving the whole desktop for on thing, usually the terminal. A hidden app comes back as soon as you switch to it, eg Cmd-Tab.
Also, on a given desktop (eg desk 3, my "personal coding" desktop), mutliple terminal tabs make it easy to have a tab per codebase, etc.
Cheers, Cameron Simpson cs@cskk.id.au
On 19-05-12 20:29:53, Marko Vojinovic wrote: ...
In how many places you need to resize the fonts, to have everything appear correctly? Do you use apps from both the Gnome and KDE world simultaneously (I do)? It seems to me that setting one slider is far easier than manually resizing a whole bunch of font sizes.
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I only ever change the DPI in Settings -> Appearance -> Fonts. This is on XFCE; I used to do the same on Gnome a long time ago.
Ideally, the DPI setting would affect the entire UI.
On 5/12/19 10:00 AM, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
Any better experience if using XOrg in Fedora 30 with these kind of displays resolutions and dimensions?
I haven't used it, but an Xorg solution is listed here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI#Fractional_Scaling
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