7:14 p.m.
Evolution just doesn't seem ready for prime time, at least on x86_64
boxes like I have. It is by far the most unstable of my Fedora Core 5
applications -- it quits unexpectedly or stops responding at least once
an email session, and often several times. The address book is too
difficult to use -- for instance it won't autocomplete email addresses,
and often an address you thought you added to the address book is lost
in the bit bucket. I notice it takes way too long to download email --
longer than Mozilla Mail, Thunderbird, Outlook or Outlook Express.
I guess I'll try Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 for a couple of weeks and see if it
is any improvement. I tried it in the early, pre-1.0 versions and after
several weeks it arbitrarily munched all my folders, leaving about half
the contents of each one "invisible". I hope this version is an
improvement.
Bob Cochran
7:22 p.m.
On Sunday 10 September 2006 20:14, Robert L Cochran wrote:
Evolution just doesn't seem ready for prime time, at least on
x86_64 boxes like I have. It is by far the most unstable of my
Fedora Core 5 applications -- it quits unexpectedly or stops
responding at least once an email session, and often several times.
The address book is too difficult to use -- for instance it won't
autocomplete email addresses, and often an address you thought you
added to the address book is lost in the bit bucket. I notice it
takes way too long to download email -- longer than Mozilla Mail,
Thunderbird, Outlook or Outlook Express.
I guess I'll try Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 for a couple of weeks and see
if it is any improvement. I tried it in the early, pre-1.0 versions
and after several weeks it arbitrarily munched all my folders,
leaving about half the contents of each one "invisible". I hope
this version is an improvement.
Bob Cochran
Try KMail
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9:54 p.m.
On Sun, 2006-09-10 at 20:22 -0400, Jack Gates wrote:
On Sunday 10 September 2006 20:14, Robert L Cochran wrote:
. I hope
> this version is an improvement.
>
> Bob Cochran
Try KMail
I wuz gonna say the same thing, Kmail works. Ric
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7:32 p.m.
On Sun, 2006-09-10 at 20:14 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
Evolution just doesn't seem ready for prime time
I keep hoping someone will extract the exchange connector
voo-doo from evolution and stick it into a decent mailer.
Anyone done that? (Perhaps we could call it devolution :-).
The only other alternative for poor victims of Microsoft
zombie IT departments seems to be something like
crossover office or vmware just so you can run
outlook :-(.
8:13 p.m.
On Sun, 2006-09-10 at 20:14 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
Evolution just doesn't seem ready for prime time, at least on
x86_64
boxes like I have. It is by far the most unstable of my Fedora Core 5
applications -- it quits unexpectedly or stops responding at least once
an email session, and often several times. The address book is too
difficult to use -- for instance it won't autocomplete email addresses,
and often an address you thought you added to the address book is lost
in the bit bucket. I notice it takes way too long to download email --
longer than Mozilla Mail, Thunderbird, Outlook or Outlook Express.
----
something seems wrong indeed as I have used Evolution for quite some
time (albeit i386 but that shouldn't make any difference).
I have found that 'junk mail filtering' feature slows everything down to
a crawl and does cause a lot of spamd processes and I don't recommend
it.
Try turning off junk mail filtering, exit Evolution, kill off all spamd
processes and see if it isn't better behaved.
----
I guess I'll try Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 for a couple of weeks and see if it
is any improvement. I tried it in the early, pre-1.0 versions and after
several weeks it arbitrarily munched all my folders, leaving about half
the contents of each one "invisible". I hope this version is an
improvement.
----
Thunderbird is solid and Kmail works well too.
Craig
9:35 a.m.
On Sun, 2006-09-10 at 20:14 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
Evolution just doesn't seem ready for prime time, at least on
x86_64
boxes like I have. It is by far the most unstable of my Fedora Core 5
applications -- it quits unexpectedly or stops responding at least once
an email session, and often several times. The address book is too
difficult to use -- for instance it won't autocomplete email addresses,
and often an address you thought you added to the address book is lost
in the bit bucket. I notice it takes way too long to download email --
longer than Mozilla Mail, Thunderbird, Outlook or Outlook Express.
I guess I'll try Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 for a couple of weeks and see if it
is any improvement. I tried it in the early, pre-1.0 versions and after
several weeks it arbitrarily munched all my folders, leaving about half
the contents of each one "invisible". I hope this version is an
improvement.
Bob Cochran
That is interesting since I have none of those problems using evolution
on an x86_32 machine. I find it a very usable email client.
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10:17 a.m.
That is interesting since I have none of those problems using evolution
on an x86_32 machine. I find it a very usable email client.
Why does Evolution need all the extra baggage... like Bind??? and other... I
have been using Thunderbird for quite some time and it works great... on a
desktop why would you need Bind for your email client???
10:27 p.m.
Phil wrote:
[...] on a desktop why would you need Bind for your email client???
DNS caching, most likely. (Especially for those whose routers don't cache
the DNS themselves or whose ISPs DNS servers are slow.)
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11:33 a.m.
Hello Robert,
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:14:57 -0400 Robert L Cochran <cochranb(a)speakeasy.net> wrote:
Evolution just doesn't seem ready for prime time, at least on
x86_64
boxes like I have. It is by far the most unstable of my Fedora Core 5
applications -- it quits unexpectedly or stops responding at least once
an email session, and often several times. The address book is too
difficult to use -- for instance it won't autocomplete email addresses,
and often an address you thought you added to the address book is lost
in the bit bucket. I notice it takes way too long to download email --
longer than Mozilla Mail, Thunderbird, Outlook or Outlook Express.
I guess I'll try Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 for a couple of weeks and see if it
is any improvement. I tried it in the early, pre-1.0 versions and after
several weeks it arbitrarily munched all my folders, leaving about half
the contents of each one "invisible". I hope this version is an
improvement.
You could also give Sylpheed-Claws a try!
Regards,
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3:38 p.m.
wwp wrote:
Hello Robert,
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:14:57 -0400 Robert L Cochran <cochranb(a)speakeasy.net>
wrote:
> Evolution just doesn't seem ready for prime time, at least on x86_64
> boxes like I have. It is by far the most unstable of my Fedora Core 5
> applications -- it quits unexpectedly or stops responding at least once
> an email session, and often several times. The address book is too
> difficult to use -- for instance it won't autocomplete email addresses,
> and often an address you thought you added to the address book is lost
> in the bit bucket. I notice it takes way too long to download email --
> longer than Mozilla Mail, Thunderbird, Outlook or Outlook Express.
>
> I guess I'll try Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 for a couple of weeks and see if it
> is any improvement. I tried it in the early, pre-1.0 versions and after
> several weeks it arbitrarily munched all my folders, leaving about half
> the contents of each one "invisible". I hope this version is an
> improvement.
>
You could also give Sylpheed-Claws a try!
Regards,
Many thanks for this and all the other suggestions. A really nice
feature of Thunderbird (and some other mail clients as well) us that it
applies message filters and tucks each message into its respective
folder as the message comes in from the server. That gives me a quick
visual indication of the message volume and what types or categories
they are. Evolution doesn't do this for you. First it reads all the
messages off the server in a long, slow process. Then it filters them
into folders. Then, it expunges emails from the server, taking more time
to do so. Only then can you begin to review your email. Evolution will
crash when you open a mail or click "New" to start a new email.
Bob Cochran
4:02 p.m.
On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 16:38 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
wwp wrote:
> Hello Robert,
>
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:14:57 -0400 Robert L Cochran <cochranb(a)speakeasy.net>
wrote:
>
>
>> Evolution just doesn't seem ready for prime time, at least on x86_64
>> boxes like I have. It is by far the most unstable of my Fedora Core 5
>> applications -- it quits unexpectedly or stops responding at least once
>> an email session, and often several times. The address book is too
>> difficult to use -- for instance it won't autocomplete email addresses,
>> and often an address you thought you added to the address book is lost
>> in the bit bucket. I notice it takes way too long to download email --
>> longer than Mozilla Mail, Thunderbird, Outlook or Outlook Express.
>>
>> I guess I'll try Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 for a couple of weeks and see if it
>> is any improvement. I tried it in the early, pre-1.0 versions and after
>> several weeks it arbitrarily munched all my folders, leaving about half
>> the contents of each one "invisible". I hope this version is an
>> improvement.
>>
>
> You could also give Sylpheed-Claws a try!
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
Many thanks for this and all the other suggestions. A really nice
feature of Thunderbird (and some other mail clients as well) us that it
applies message filters and tucks each message into its respective
folder as the message comes in from the server. That gives me a quick
visual indication of the message volume and what types or categories
they are. Evolution doesn't do this for you. First it reads all the
messages off the server in a long, slow process. Then it filters them
into folders. Then, it expunges emails from the server, taking more time
to do so. Only then can you begin to review your email. Evolution will
crash when you open a mail or click "New" to start a new email.
Bob Cochran
I don't want to be an evolution fanatic but how well it works depends on
how you use it. I get maybe 40 -150 e-mails that I read twice a day. Yes
it takes some time for the Send/Receive processw to finish. And I agree
that when that process is running you can't read new mail until it
finishes.
However, if that bothers you and you want to send out new mail as soon
as you bring up evolution, don't hit send/receive. Just start creating
your new mail. Once your mail message has been created and sent you will
find that all your poped e-mail will have been downloaded and ready to
read. Also when you are reading your mail new messages will appear with
out any specific intervention on your part. How often new mail is looked
for is configurable.
So my tip for you is forget about the send/receive button until you
really need it.
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5:37 p.m.
On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 16:38 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
First it reads all the
messages off the server in a long, slow process. Then it filters them
into folders. Then, it expunges emails from the server, taking more time
to do so. Only then can you begin to review your email.
I get around this by having fetchmail (running as a daemon) download
mail from my ISP's POP3 server. Fetchmail sends it to sendmail, which
sends it to spamassassin courtesy of my .procmailrc, then it gets put in
my mailbox (/var/spool/mail/user).
My evolution server type is set to "Local delivery", with spam filtering
turned off (since that's already been done). With the email already
sitting on my harddrive and already spam filtered, mail is "downloaded"
very very quickly. Email gets scanned by spamassassin as it arrives, not
after it is all read, and Evolution will get the mail as it arrives. It
works very well for me.
I don't get the crashes and freezes that have been described here, but
do get some other ones. Most of the time when attempting to send email
(I have Evolution sending directly via smtp) I get the following: "Error
while performing operation. Welcome response error: Transaction failed".
If I hit send/receive a few times it will eventually get sent. This has
only started happening recently.
Another one that has started recently: if I view an HTML message in the
preview pane, the preview pane will sometimes stop working - i.e. if I
click on other messages, it keeps displaying the HTML email in the
preview pane. It also maxes out the CPU while this is happening. I can't
even quite Evolution normally - I have to use "evolution
--force-shutdown".
Those are the two most annoying bugs I am currently experiencing.
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