3:02 p.m.
Greetings,
My initial effort at using fedup on my desktop (basic dual-core setup)
failed with some sort of error message (I posted this previously, and
apparently on bugzilla has indicated that it is a known bug).
I have successfully used fedup (F17 -> F18) on an i386 laptop (I've also
done a fresh F18 install on an x68_64 laptop). So, I've gotten through
this.
I saw that there was a fedup upgrade in updates-testing; it has been there
for some time.
I installed the updates-testing version of fedup on my desktop, and then
proceeded with an F17->F18 upgrade.
All required packages have been download (about 4100).
I've rebooted (per instructions), hit "System Upgrade" on the GRUB menu.
I then hit <ESC> so that I could see the messages to the screen instead of
the thermometor reading (it's in the FedUp Wiki page).
It's now at: upgrade-re[712]: starting upgrade-pre hook
It's been at this point for some time; the harddrive like is flickering
away throughout.
My question is, how long should I expect this processs to continue before
I get
Upgrade[712]: Preparing for upgrade ...
and all of the subsequent messages that I've gotten during the one prior
successful execution of fedup (that I referenced above).
Much thanks,
Max Pyziur
pyz(a)brama.com
4:22 a.m.
New subject: fedup @ System Upgrade - time to complete? - on different sources
Allegedly, on or about 09 March 2013, Max Pyziur sent:
I've also conditioned my request by asking for other sources.
If you're using test packages, you should join the test list, to get a
more appropriate audience.
--
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
Linux 3.7.9-104.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Feb 24 19:19:12 UTC 2013 x86_64
All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point
trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the
public lists.
11:42 a.m.
New subject: fedup @ System Upgrade - time to complete? - on different sources
On Sat, 2013-03-09 at 16:50 -0500, Max Pyziur wrote:
So, how do I recover the use of my machine.
That, of course, depends on exactly what's wrong with it.
I used fedup to upgrade five different machines (two laptops and three
desktops). Only one of them was left in a totally hosed state, where I
got weird DB errors if I tried to use yum or rpm, and some other
commands failed due to missing shared libraries (or having the wrong
version so that the required version was missing). I could log in as
root on the text console, but couldn't do much after that and had no way
to repair the package management system.
I ended up repairing it by booting into rescue mode, and using "yum
--installroot" to update the broken system. What is really stupid is
that the yum command exists on the rescue DVD, but the Python modules
needed to run it do not, so I also had to set the PYTHONPATH environment
variable to point inside the mounted-but-broken system in order to get
yum to work from the rescue disc.
This will work if and only if your problem is the same as mine was.
Since I have no way of knowing that (I don't even know exactly what went
wrong on *my* system), I haven't replied to this thread previously. I
suspect there may be others in the same position as me, which might
explain why nobody has answered; nobody really has confidence that what
worked for them would work for you.
--Greg
10:58 a.m.
New subject: fedup @ System Upgrade - time to complete? - on different sources
On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 03:13:01 -0400
Rahul Sundaram <metherid(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 03/09/2013 07:19 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/09/2013 02:18 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
>> Rarely will you see a dev on the user list.
>
> Just because the devs rarely, if ever, post here doesn't mean that
> none of them follow it. I'm not saying they do, but it's possible.
I, Matthew Miller etc do post from time to time and we are regular
Fedora contributors but it is very rare that a post here goes
unanswered completely. I don't read every email here certainly but I
am aware of the threads and glance through them now and then.
Ditto.
kevin
1:13 a.m.
New subject: fedup @ System Upgrade - time to complete? - on different sources
On 03/09/2013 07:19 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 03/09/2013 02:18 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> Rarely will you see a dev on the user list.
Just because the devs rarely, if ever, post here doesn't mean that
none of them follow it. I'm not saying they do, but it's possible.
I, Matthew Miller etc do post from time to time and we are regular
Fedora contributors but it is very rare that a post here goes unanswered
completely. I don't read every email here certainly but I am aware of
the threads and glance through them now and then.
Rahul
6:19 p.m.
New subject: fedup @ System Upgrade - time to complete? - on different sources
On 03/09/2013 02:18 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
Rarely will you see a dev on the user list.
Just because the devs rarely, if ever, post here doesn't mean that none
of them follow it. I'm not saying they do, but it's possible.
4:32 p.m.
New subject: fedup @ System Upgrade - time to complete? - on different sources
Am 09.03.2013 23:29, schrieb Max Pyziur:
On Sat, 9 Mar 2013, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Mar 2013 16:50:24 -0500 (EST)
> Max Pyziur <pyz(a)brama.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I also suspect, but don't know, that the subscription base should
>> be reasonably extensive and that developer members of the Fedora
>> user community use this is as a resource.
>>
>
> Rarely will you see a dev on the user list.
This is helpful.
What resource do you utilize when no replies are forthcoming on users@ ?
trial and error combined with google
honestly!
4:40 p.m.
New subject: Fedup disaster beginning to be unravelled, was Re: fedup @ System Upgrade - time to complete? - on different sources
On Sat, 9 Mar 2013, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 09.03.2013 23:29, schrieb Max Pyziur:
> On Sat, 9 Mar 2013, Frank Murphy wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 9 Mar 2013 16:50:24 -0500 (EST)
>> Max Pyziur <pyz(a)brama.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I also suspect, but don't know, that the subscription base should
>>> be reasonably extensive and that developer members of the Fedora
>>> user community use this is as a resource.
>>>
>>
>> Rarely will you see a dev on the user list.
>
> This is helpful.
> What resource do you utilize when no replies are forthcoming on users@ ?
trial and error combined with google
honestly!
Really? What is google? Where can I find it?
Seriously. I can't get a login screen; I suspect that there are some
missing or screw-ily intertwined dependencies for plymouth.
I can ssh into my box; a number of fc18 packages have already
been installed. I'm into that tedium vortex of 'yum removing' fc18
packages, (had to fix yum first by reinstalling fc17 yum-related
packages).
Any guidance on getting a login screen would be, you know ... helpful.
Thanks.
Max Pyziur
pyz(a)brama.com
4:29 p.m.
New subject: fedup @ System Upgrade - time to complete? - on different sources
On Sat, 9 Mar 2013, Frank Murphy wrote:
On Sat, 9 Mar 2013 16:50:24 -0500 (EST)
Max Pyziur <pyz(a)brama.com> wrote:
>
> I also suspect, but don't know, that the subscription base should
> be reasonably extensive and that developer members of the Fedora
> user community use this is as a resource.
>
Rarely will you see a dev on the user list.
This is helpful.
What resource do you utilize when no replies are forthcoming on users@ ?
MP
4:18 p.m.
New subject: fedup @ System Upgrade - time to complete? - on different sources
On Sat, 9 Mar 2013 16:50:24 -0500 (EST)
Max Pyziur <pyz(a)brama.com> wrote:
I also suspect, but don't know, that the subscription base should
be reasonably extensive and that developer members of the Fedora
user community use this is as a resource.
Rarely will you see a dev on the user list.
--
Regards,
Frank
http//www.frankly3d.com
4:01 p.m.
New subject: fedup @ System Upgrade - time to complete? - on different sources
On Sat, 9 Mar 2013, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 09.03.2013 22:50, schrieb Max Pyziur:
> On this upgrade go-around (F17->F18) the challenges in the process have been more
elevated (I now have an unuseable
> machine because of this; I'd like to go through some recovery and I *do* rely on
this list as a primary
> resource for that). For me, ther have probably been more frustrating upgrades. And at
this point, I'm savvy enough
> to have backups and redundancy.
the problem is that you used a testing-package
consider how oftne someone makes a dist-upgrade at all
now think about how many did it with updates-testing's fedup
now think about how many are doing upgrades with yum
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum
this worked for me several hundrets of times, even in production
but since you are screwed up youre setup i fear you
are at your own
Thanks Reindl. I am familiar with the yum procedure and have used it
several times: sometimes it has worked, sometimes it has failed. When the
latter, then there is a period (several hours) of tedium of trying to
unravel all of the failing dependencies.
And I understand that updates-testing is well, updates-testing. You don't
need to make the point a second time.
This sort of reprimanding isn't particularly helpful. If the Fedora
community has staked out a position that FedUp is to be a core feature,
then I, as someone, who willingly participates in being on this bleeding
edge, would like some advice on the resources that are available to me to
unwind this dilemma.
Thank you.
Max Pyziur
pyz(a)brama.com
3:55 p.m.
New subject: fedup @ System Upgrade - time to complete? - on different sources
Am 09.03.2013 22:50, schrieb Max Pyziur:
On this upgrade go-around (F17->F18) the challenges in the process
have been more elevated (I now have an unuseable
machine because of this; I'd like to go through some recovery and I *do* rely on this
list as a primary
resource for that). For me, ther have probably been more frustrating upgrades. And at
this point, I'm savvy enough
to have backups and redundancy.
the problem is that you used a testing-package
consider how oftne someone makes a dist-upgrade at all
now think about how many did it with updates-testing's fedup
now think about how many are doing upgrades with yum
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum
this worked for me several hundrets of times, even in production
but since you are screwed up youre setup i fear you
are at your own
3:50 p.m.
New subject: fedup @ System Upgrade - time to complete? - on different sources
On Sat, 9 Mar 2013, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 03/09/2013 01:24 PM, Max Pyziur wrote:
>
> One of the frustrations here, is that the base of subscribers on
> users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org is incosistent in its replies. I've posted
> at least two requests on this subject.
>
> There have been few, if no, replies. I've tried to find other sources as
> to the timing/availability of fedup, requesting the same on
> users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org; no guidance forthcoming.
Just because you ask a question doesn't mean that somebody on this list will
know the answer. And, if that's the case, it doesn't matter how many times
you ask; you still won't get an answer.
I understand that.
I've also conditioned my request by asking for other sources.
I've been around since Fedora Core 2, and have made much use of the
supporting email lists.
I also suspect, but don't know, that the subscription base should be
reasonably extensive and that developer members of the Fedora user
community use this is as a resource.
Since not all Fedora knowledge can be encapsulated in one place or in one
person, community discourse is key and fundamental in maintaining the
vitality of this sort of project.
On this upgrade go-around (F17->F18) the challenges in the process have
been more elevated (I now have an unuseable machine because of this; I'd
like to go through some recovery and I *do* rely on this list as a primary
resource for that). For me, ther have probably been more frustrating
upgrades. And at this point, I'm savvy enough to have backups and
redundancy.
W/r/t FedUp, since it is a procedure that is now central to upgrading
releases of Fedora, I expect that there would be more interest at this
point, where more focus is being placed on it. So some sort of dialogue on
this subject would be helpful.
So, how do I recover the use of my machine.
Much thanks.
Max Pyziur
pyz(a)brama.com
3:36 p.m.
On 03/09/2013 01:24 PM, Max Pyziur wrote:
One of the frustrations here, is that the base of subscribers on
users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org is incosistent in its replies. I've posted
at least two requests on this subject.
There have been few, if no, replies. I've tried to find other sources as
to the timing/availability of fedup, requesting the same on
users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org; no guidance forthcoming.
Just because you ask a question doesn't mean that somebody on this list
will know the answer. And, if that's the case, it doesn't matter how
many times you ask; you still won't get an answer.
3:24 p.m.
On Sat, 9 Mar 2013, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 09.03.2013 22:02, schrieb Max Pyziur:
> I saw that there was a fedup upgrade in updates-testing; it has been there for some
time.
>
> I installed the updates-testing version of fedup on my desktop, and then proceeded
with an F17->F18 upgrade.
why are you doing this?
there is a reason why it is called "updates-testing"
usually you be happy if fedup / preupgrade works
and use EXACTLY this set if you have another machines
I do have other machines; in fact the one that I'm using to reply here.
Much thanks.
One of the frustrations here, is that the
base of subscribers on users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org is incosistent in its
replies. I've posted at least two requests on this subject.
There have been few, if no, replies. I've tried to find other sources as
to the timing/availability of fedup, requesting the same on
users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org; no guidance forthcoming.
I would like my third machine to be consistently setup on F18, in line
with the other two that I have.
Max Pyziur
> All required packages have been download (about 4100).
>
> I've rebooted (per instructions), hit "System Upgrade" on the GRUB
menu.
>
> I then hit <ESC> so that I could see the messages to the screen instead of the
thermometor reading (it's in the
> FedUp Wiki page).
>
> It's now at: upgrade-re[712]: starting upgrade-pre hook
>
> It's been at this point for some time; the harddrive like is flickering away
throughout.
>
> My question is, how long should I expect this processs to continue before I get
> Upgrade[712]: Preparing for upgrade ...
if it takes longer than a hour it will not finish
3:20 p.m.
On Sat, 9 Mar 2013, Max Pyziur wrote:
Greetings,
My initial effort at using fedup on my desktop (basic dual-core setup) failed
with some sort of error message (I posted this previously, and apparently on
bugzilla has indicated that it is a known bug).
I have successfully used fedup (F17 -> F18) on an i386 laptop (I've also done
a fresh F18 install on an x68_64 laptop). So, I've gotten through this.
I saw that there was a fedup upgrade in updates-testing; it has been there
for some time.
I installed the updates-testing version of fedup on my desktop, and then
proceeded with an F17->F18 upgrade.
All required packages have been download (about 4100).
I've rebooted (per instructions), hit "System Upgrade" on the GRUB menu.
I then hit <ESC> so that I could see the messages to the screen instead of
the thermometor reading (it's in the FedUp Wiki page).
It's now at: upgrade-re[712]: starting upgrade-pre hook
It's been at this point for some time; the harddrive like is flickering away
throughout.
My question is, how long should I expect this processs to continue before I
get
Upgrade[712]: Preparing for upgrade ...
and all of the subsequent messages that I've gotten during the one prior
successful execution of fedup (that I referenced above).
Ok, after all of this it looks as though my desktop system is unuseable.
The process finally finished with something like KERNEL PANIC, system
rebooting in 30 seconds.
I've rebooted several times trying to use one of the three F17 kernels;
none of them finish booting. One of the error messages that recurs is:
Failed to Recreate Volatile Files and Directories
See systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service
and
Failed to start Wait for plymouth Boot Screen to Quit See systemctl status
plymouth-quit-wait.service for details
Unfortunately, I can't get to a point where I can evaluate 'systemctl
status some.service'
Is there a way of recovering this system through a rescue procedure?
Much thanks,
Max Pyziur
pyz(a)brama.com
[recycle]
3:16 p.m.
Am 09.03.2013 22:02, schrieb Max Pyziur:
I saw that there was a fedup upgrade in updates-testing; it has been
there for some time.
I installed the updates-testing version of fedup on my desktop, and then proceeded with
an F17->F18 upgrade.
why are you doing this?
there is a reason why it is called "updates-testing"
usually you be happy if fedup / preupgrade works
and use EXACTLY this set if you have another machines
All required packages have been download (about 4100).
I've rebooted (per instructions), hit "System Upgrade" on the GRUB menu.
I then hit <ESC> so that I could see the messages to the screen instead of the
thermometor reading (it's in the
FedUp Wiki page).
It's now at: upgrade-re[712]: starting upgrade-pre hook
It's been at this point for some time; the harddrive like is flickering away
throughout.
My question is, how long should I expect this processs to continue before I get
Upgrade[712]: Preparing for upgrade ...
if it takes longer than a hour it will not finish
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