Hi guys.
Despite having "Show Thumbnails => All files" in my Nautilus, I do not get thumbnails on my Android phone when connected via USB. That should work, in F34, right?
many thanks, L.
Hi guys.
I asked this a while ago but nobody got interested yet I'm really curious - when you connect your Android Phone via USB, do you get thumbnails? I cannot get my F34's Nautilus to show thumbnails off my Huawei Honor 10 with Android 10.
thanks, L.
On 14/05/2021 12:14, lejeczek via users wrote:
Hi guys.
Despite having "Show Thumbnails => All files" in my Nautilus, I do not get thumbnails on my Android phone when connected via USB. That should work, in F34, right?
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I also do not see thumbnails when I connect my Android phone to my PC, and I was not able to find a work-around (I have enabled thumbnail viewing for all locations in Nautilus, and it does not work). I've gotten into the habit of just moving all files to my PC so I get thumbnails, moving and deleting files as needed, and then moving the remaining files back to the phone if necessary.
On 21/10/2021 11:03, Matti Pulkkinen wrote:
I also do not see thumbnails when I connect my Android phone to my PC, and I was not able to find a work-around (I have enabled thumbnail viewing for all locations in Nautilus, and it does not work). I've gotten into the habit of just moving all files to my PC so I get thumbnails, moving and deleting files as needed, and then moving the remaining files back to the phone if necessary.
Can those of you folks who see the same "misbehavior" chip in by confirming here - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1960854 ? thanks, L.
On Oct 21, 2021, at 12:50, lejeczek via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 21/10/2021 11:03, Matti Pulkkinen wrote: I also do not see thumbnails when I connect my Android phone to my PC, and I was not able to find a work-around (I have enabled thumbnail viewing for all locations in Nautilus, and it does not work). I've gotten into the habit of just moving all files to my PC so I get thumbnails, moving and deleting files as needed, and then moving the remaining files back to the phone if necessary.
Can those of you folks who see the same "misbehavior" chip in by confirming here - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1960854 ?
I poked around a bit and it looks like this behavior is intentional:
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gvfs/-/issues/497#note_875764
Basically, a flag is added to MTP GVFS mounts to prevent nautilus from attempting to create thumbnails, due to slow performance of those types of mount points.
There’s a link to an even older issue (that predated the move to gitlab) so it’s been that way for a while.
-- Jonathan Billings
On 22/10/2021 00:22, Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Oct 21, 2021, at 12:50, lejeczek via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 21/10/2021 11:03, Matti Pulkkinen wrote:
I also do not see thumbnails when I connect my Android phone to my PC, and I was not able to find a work-around (I have enabled thumbnail viewing for all locations in Nautilus, and it does not work). I've gotten into the habit of just moving all files to my PC so I get thumbnails, moving and deleting files as needed, and then moving the remaining files back to the phone if necessary.
Can those of you folks who see the same "misbehavior" chip in by confirming here - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1960854 ?
I poked around a bit and it looks like this behavior is intentional:
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gvfs/-/issues/497#note_875764
Basically, a flag is added to MTP GVFS mounts to prevent nautilus from attempting to create thumbnails, due to slow performance of those types of mount points.
There’s a link to an even older issue (that predated the move to gitlab) so it’s been that way for a while.
Yes, that was why I filed this as a "bug" - because it used to work in the past - and it's bit disappointing, if was to vent out, that nobody from devs commented there. I think it will be a reasonable request from all the users - such a mount being slow or not - that Nautilus settings will be fixed or changed because they are utterly misleading, if that is how 'gvfs' works in reality right now. Or! give back that executive decision to the users - which I'd advocate for - whether or not users want/need thumbnails off their Android phones.
many thanks, L
On 10/21/21 3:39 AM, lejeczek via users wrote:
I asked this a while ago but nobody got interested yet I'm really curious - when you connect your Android Phone via USB, do you get thumbnails? I cannot get my F34's Nautilus to show thumbnails off my Huawei Honor 10 with Android 10.
Your provider probably has a forum for users to help each other. Why don't you ask there?
On 21/10/2021 18:29, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 10/21/21 3:39 AM, lejeczek via users wrote:
I asked this a while ago but nobody got interested yet I'm really curious - when you connect your Android Phone via USB, do you get thumbnails? I cannot get my F34's Nautilus to show thumbnails off my Huawei Honor 10 with Android 10.
Your provider probably has a forum for users to help each other. Why don't you ask there? _______________________________________________
I failed to guess what you are saying.
On 10/21/21 1:06 PM, lejeczek via users wrote:
On 21/10/2021 18:29, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 10/21/21 3:39 AM, lejeczek via users wrote:
I asked this a while ago but nobody got interested yet I'm really curious - when you connect your Android Phone via USB, do you get thumbnails? I cannot get my F34's Nautilus to show thumbnails off my Huawei Honor 10 with Android 10.
Your provider probably has a forum for users to help each other. Why don't you ask there? _______________________________________________
I failed to guess what you are saying.
If you go to your phone service's website, you should find a forum where customers can get help from other customers who happen to know how to solve a particular problem. Ask your question there, and you'll probably get the help you need.
On Oct 21, 2021, at 15:28, Joe Zeff joe@zeff.us wrote:
If you go to your phone service's website, you should find a forum where customers can get help from other customers who happen to know how to solve a particular problem. Ask your question there, and you'll probably get the help you need.
That’s unlikely to help. Most likely there will be no Linux support there.
This list is a perfectly reasonable place to ask questions about how Fedora interacts with a device.
-- Jonathan Billings
On 10/21/21 5:24 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
That’s unlikely to help. Most likely there will be no Linux support there.
I'm not sure that it's Linux specific. Does the OP get thumbnails when his phone is connected to a Windows machine?
This list is a perfectly reasonable place to ask questions about how Fedora interacts with a device.
I'm suggesting that the OP check for a user forum for his phone to find out if this is a Linux-specific issue, or if people using Windows also see it.
On Oct 21, 2021, at 19:47, Joe Zeff joe@zeff.us wrote:
On 10/21/21 5:24 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
That’s unlikely to help. Most likely there will be no Linux support there.
I'm not sure that it's Linux specific. Does the OP get thumbnails when his phone is connected to a Windows machine?
This list is a perfectly reasonable place to ask questions about how Fedora interacts with a device.
I'm suggesting that the OP check for a user forum for his phone to find out if this is a Linux-specific issue, or if people using Windows also see it.
That’s not how this works. It’s not like each phone implements a unique photo sharing protocol, each lovingly crafted into the kernel by the phone developers. There are a handful of common protocols, some of which are implemented by GNOME.
If anything, this is more likely tied to android and GNOME version than specific phone details.
And in this case, most likely it was an intentional global setting for this kind of GVFS share to make it not create thumbnails.
— Jonathan Billings
On 2021-10-21 02:39, lejeczek via users wrote:
I asked this a while ago but nobody got interested yet I'm really curious - when you connect your Android Phone via USB, do you get thumbnails? I cannot get my F34's Nautilus to show thumbnails off my Huawei Honor 10 with Android 10.
This is intentional. In order to make thumbnails, it would have to read the entire files from the device over the slow MTP link. Most people would be very unhappy about that because they wouldn't be able to do anything else until everything is read from the phone.
On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 16:34 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
This is intentional. In order to make thumbnails, it would have to read the entire files from the device over the slow MTP link. Most people would be very unhappy about that because they wouldn't be able to do anything else until everything is read from the phone.
The same can be said about other networking protocols, which is why we had options to display them, or not, and let us make the choice about consequences.
Trying to find a photo from a phone is a pain, they don't have useful filenames. You've got to go trawling through them all to find something. If you're organised, you might move photos into sensible folder names as you go along. And you might decide that it is worth turning on thumbnails to find the specific photo out of 20 from last week's birthday party.
On 2021-10-24 17:55, Tim via users wrote:
On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 16:34 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
This is intentional. In order to make thumbnails, it would have to read the entire files from the device over the slow MTP link. Most people would be very unhappy about that because they wouldn't be able to do anything else until everything is read from the phone.
The same can be said about other networking protocols, which is why we had options to display them, or not, and let us make the choice about consequences.
You don't get thumbnails with sshfs or ftp (if you can still even use that), etc. I don't know about any options for that.
Trying to find a photo from a phone is a pain, they don't have useful filenames. You've got to go trawling through them all to find something. If you're organised, you might move photos into sensible folder names as you go along. And you might decide that it is worth turning on thumbnails to find the specific photo out of 20 from last week's birthday party.
I agree it's a pain getting a photo from a phone. That's why I copy them all off before trying to find one. I would certainly not want Nautilus to be trying to make thumbnails because that would make it almost useless. It would take the same amount of time to copy the files as it would to make the thumbnails and I would now have the pictures in a useful location.
On 25/10/2021 02:06, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 2021-10-24 17:55, Tim via users wrote:
On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 16:34 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
This is intentional. In order to make thumbnails, it would have to read the entire files from the device over the slow MTP link. Most people would be very unhappy about that because they wouldn't be able to do anything else until everything is read from the phone.
The same can be said about other networking protocols, which is why we had options to display them, or not, and let us make the choice about consequences.
You don't get thumbnails with sshfs or ftp (if you can still even use that), etc. I don't know about any options for that.
False! - we do get thumbnails, certainly with 'sftp' on my LAN I get them no problems, in Nautilus. L.
Trying to find a photo from a phone is a pain, they don't have useful filenames. You've got to go trawling through them all to find something. If you're organised, you might move photos into sensible folder names as you go along. And you might decide that it is worth turning on thumbnails to find the specific photo out of 20 from last week's birthday party.
I agree it's a pain getting a photo from a phone. That's why I copy them all off before trying to find one. I would certainly not want Nautilus to be trying to make thumbnails because that would make it almost useless. It would take the same amount of time to copy the files as it would to make the thumbnails and I would now have the pictures in a useful location. _______________________________________________
On 10/25/21 07:03, lejeczek via users wrote:
On 25/10/2021 02:06, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 2021-10-24 17:55, Tim via users wrote:
On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 16:34 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
This is intentional. In order to make thumbnails, it would have to read the entire files from the device over the slow MTP link. Most people would be very unhappy about that because they wouldn't be able to do anything else until everything is read from the phone.
The same can be said about other networking protocols, which is why we had options to display them, or not, and let us make the choice about consequences.
You don't get thumbnails with sshfs or ftp (if you can still even use that), etc. I don't know about any options for that.
False! - we do get thumbnails, certainly with 'sftp' on my LAN I get them no problems, in Nautilus. L.
Trying to find a photo from a phone is a pain, they don't have useful filenames. You've got to go trawling through them all to find something. If you're organised, you might move photos into sensible folder names as you go along. And you might decide that it is worth turning on thumbnails to find the specific photo out of 20 from last week's birthday party.
I agree it's a pain getting a photo from a phone. That's why I copy them all off before trying to find one. I would certainly not want Nautilus to be trying to make thumbnails because that would make it almost useless. It would take the same amount of time to copy the files as it would to make the thumbnails and I would now have the pictures in a useful location. _______________________________________________
Similar behavior with iPhone, no thumbnails. Windows generates thumbnails with sometimes visible sequencing but really only a minor delay.
On Oct 24, 2021, at 20:56, Tim via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 16:34 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
This is intentional. In order to make thumbnails, it would have to read the entire files from the device over the slow MTP link. Most people would be very unhappy about that because they wouldn't be able to do anything else until everything is read from the phone.
The same can be said about other networking protocols, which is why we had options to display them, or not, and let us make the choice about consequences.
Trying to find a photo from a phone is a pain, they don't have useful filenames. You've got to go trawling through them all to find something. If you're organised, you might move photos into sensible folder names as you go along. And you might decide that it is worth turning on thumbnails to find the specific photo out of 20 from last week's birthday party.
If you read the context in the gitlab issue I posted, basically performance is terrible when previews were being generated. Someone complained (back when it was originally filed) that it should be controlled by a setting and the Nautilus/gvfs developers chose not to.
The only way it’ll be switched back is to open a new issue, perhaps with a merge request with code improving the threading performance enough to make thumbnails not bring the whole interface to a stall.
— Jonathan Billings
On 25/10/2021 03:00, Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Oct 24, 2021, at 20:56, Tim via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 16:34 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
This is intentional. In order to make thumbnails, it would have to read the entire files from the device over the slow MTP link. Most people would be very unhappy about that because they wouldn't be able to do anything else until everything is read from the phone.
The same can be said about other networking protocols, which is why we had options to display them, or not, and let us make the choice about consequences.
Trying to find a photo from a phone is a pain, they don't have useful filenames. You've got to go trawling through them all to find something. If you're organised, you might move photos into sensible folder names as you go along. And you might decide that it is worth turning on thumbnails to find the specific photo out of 20 from last week's birthday party.
If you read the context in the gitlab issue I posted, basically performance is terrible when previews were being generated. Someone complained (back when it was originally filed) that it should be controlled by a setting and the Nautilus/gvfs developers chose not to.
The only way it’ll be switched back is to open a new issue, perhaps with a merge request with code improving the threading performance enough to make thumbnails not bring the whole interface to a stall.
Again - this should be given back to users that executive decision - which I'd advocate for - whether or not users want/need thumbnails off their Android phones. Problem in the past was not - if I remember correctly - that transfer was slow. It rather was that the whole system would "freeze" what such transfer took place. It really could be simple - "Show Thumbnails = All files" does what is says OR expand with one extra entry "All files excluding USB Phone". Anything really, but don't keep users in the dark .. perhaps because they are all simpletons and.... devs know better. many thanks, L. ps. how can a user file such a request, in Bugzilla?
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 12:56, Joe Zeff joe@zeff.us wrote:
On 10/26/21 6:20 AM, lejeczek via users wrote:
Anything really, but don't keep users in the dark .. perhaps because they are all simpletons and.... devs know better.
Or, as I often suspect, the devs are thinking, "We don't use that so there's no need to provide it."
Developers are a scarce resource, and many are employed to work on large systems. Add to that the fragmentation of the linux ecosystem with X.org, Wayland, Gnome, KDE, etc. and it is clear that triaging is a constant problem. Devs have to choose between fixing bugs that break basic functionality and adding "convenience" features. I think the problem is not so much being unwilling to support features a developer doesn't use as the difficulty for developers who are not familiar with the use case to get the details of a feature right.
We are talking about linux. When such features are important to some use case, then the best approach is for a user familiar with the use case to submit a bug report upstream that includes a patch. In my experience, the community is generally helpful when someone needs help with some details of implementing a feature.
On 21/10/2021 11:39, lejeczek via users wrote:
Hi guys.
I asked this a while ago but nobody got interested yet I'm really curious - when you connect your Android Phone via USB, do you get thumbnails? I cannot get my F34's Nautilus to show thumbnails off my Huawei Honor 10 with Android 10.
thanks, L.
We have thumbnails back in f38 - at least on my Oppo have them - so manyyy !!!! thanks to those responsible for fixing this.
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