clueless question! - sortof sms/text related

[bruce]

Hi guys.

This is totally off topic -- so delete as required!!

I'm investigating a project, and have no clue as to where to start, other
than Google/reseach/etc..

Curious as to how to setup a test system to have test users send/receive
sms/test messages.

If a user has a mobile/app that connects back to the "server" for the msg
handling "stuff" does the process need to involve a twillo/telcom?

I've seen open source projects (zulip) that have the server/client/mobile
parts, but have no clue as to what's involved with architecting or building
out a complete/working solution.

So, I figured I'd ask here if anyone has any insight into this kind of
system, or has pointers to any company/resource that I could talk to.

Thanks guys -- Have a cool weekend!

[Mark Haney]

I'm not entirely sure what you're working toward.  I mean, all recent
phones (last decade at least) can already send/receive SMS messages, so I
fail to understand your project simply based on that.  I don't mind taking
this offline, if the list isn't interested, but more information is needed
before anyone can really help you.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:47 AM, bruce  wrote:
> Hi guys.
>
> This is totally off topic -- so delete as required!!
>
> I'm investigating a project, and have no clue as to where to start, other
> than Google/reseach/etc..
>
> Curious as to how to setup a test system to have test users send/receive
> sms/test messages.
>
> If a user has a mobile/app that connects back to the "server" for the msg
> handling "stuff" does the process need to involve a twillo/telcom?
>
> I've seen open source projects (zulip) that have the server/client/mobile
> parts, but have no clue as to what's involved with architecting or building
> out a complete/working solution.
>
> So, I figured I'd ask here if anyone has any insight into this kind of
> system, or has pointers to any company/resource that I could talk to.
>
> Thanks guys -- Have a cool weekend!
>
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[bruce]

Hi Mark.

Here's my use case.

Master process sends out msgs to 5 people, 'hey, gret deal' 1st 100 people
get it for price X"

The 5 people then send the msgs to their friends, who in turn send to their
friends, etc..

Now, in theory, you can already do this with your cell phone.. You whip out
your contact list, send the msgs.. done!

But for my goal, I'm envisioning a chat/messenger app, allowing the project
to capture/track the msgs, so I guess what is needed is an understanding of
the nuances/issues for a chat/messenger app..

Thanks.

And again, any pointers, either here or offline are great!

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Mark Haney 
wrote:
> I'm not entirely sure what you're working toward.  I mean, all recent
> phones (last decade at least) can already send/receive SMS messages, so I
> fail to understand your project simply based on that.  I don't mind taking
> this offline, if the list isn't interested, but more information is needed
> before anyone can really help you.
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:47 AM, bruce  wrote:
> > Hi guys.
> >
> > This is totally off topic -- so delete as required!!
> >
> > I'm investigating a project, and have no clue as to where to start, other
> > than Google/reseach/etc..
> >
> > Curious as to how to setup a test system to have test users send/receive
> > sms/test messages.
> >
> > If a user has a mobile/app that connects back to the "server" for the msg
> > handling "stuff" does the process need to involve a twillo/telcom?
> >
> > I've seen open source projects (zulip) that have the server/client/mobile
> > parts, but have no clue as to what's involved with architecting or building
> > out a complete/working solution.
> >
> > So, I figured I'd ask here if anyone has any insight into this kind of
> > system, or has pointers to any company/resource that I could talk to.
> >
> > Thanks guys -- Have a cool weekend!
> >
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[Tom Rivers]

On 6/17/2016 10:02 AM, bruce wrote:
> Here's my use case.
>
> Master process sends out msgs to 5 people, 'hey, gret deal' 1st 100 
> people get it for price X"
>
> The 5 people then send the msgs to their friends, who in turn send to 
> their friends, etc..

You can use email to send out text messages if you know the network each 
recipient is on:

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/27051/use-email-to-send-text-messages-sms-to-...

When people reply, they will reply to the email address from which the 
original message was sent.  That means you could automate a program to 
process incoming email to that address and do whatever you want with the 
data.

Tom

[Tim]

On Fri, 2016-06-17 at 10:02 -0400, bruce wrote:
> Here's my use case.
>
> Master process sends out msgs to 5 people, 'hey, gret deal' 1st 100
> people get it for price X"
>
> The 5 people then send the msgs to their friends, who in turn send to
> their friends, etc..

Sounds awfully like you want to spam people.

I suspect you need a cell phone that acts as a modem, and allows you to
send SMSs through it.  Businesses and schools do this kind of thing, but
probably most would do it by paying for a gateway provider, for things
like automatically sending reminds for dental appointments, and other
alerts.  They send it to the gateway provider, it puts it through the
mobile phone network.

[Mark Haney]

Honestly, you're better off using existing apps and scraping their data,
especially things like Twitter.  Based on your description, it sounds a lot
like Groupon, et al, and unless your business case is /very/ compelling I
wouldn't expect another "messenger app" type to get a high adoption rate.

A quick google search for 'build mobile messaging app' came up with more
than 2m results, the first page being pretty detailed.  If you're looking
to do this, I would start there instead of trying to build from scratch.
Unless, of course, you're an experienced programmer.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:02 AM, bruce  wrote:
> Hi Mark.
>
> Here's my use case.
>
> Master process sends out msgs to 5 people, 'hey, gret deal' 1st 100 people
> get it for price X"
>
> The 5 people then send the msgs to their friends, who in turn send to
> their friends, etc..
>
> Now, in theory, you can already do this with your cell phone.. You whip
> out your contact list, send the msgs.. done!
>
> But for my goal, I'm envisioning a chat/messenger app, allowing the
> project to capture/track the msgs, so I guess what is needed is an
> understanding of the nuances/issues for a chat/messenger app..
>
> Thanks.
>
> And again, any pointers, either here or offline are great!
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Mark Haney 
> wrote:
> > I'm not entirely sure what you're working toward.  I mean, all recent
> > phones (last decade at least) can already send/receive SMS messages, so I
> > fail to understand your project simply based on that.  I don't mind taking
> > this offline, if the list isn't interested, but more information is needed
> > before anyone can really help you.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:47 AM, bruce  wrote:
> > > Hi guys.
> > >
> > > This is totally off topic -- so delete as required!!
> > >
> > > I'm investigating a project, and have no clue as to where to start,
> > > other than Google/reseach/etc..
> > >
> > > Curious as to how to setup a test system to have test users send/receive
> > > sms/test messages.
> > >
> > > If a user has a mobile/app that connects back to the "server" for the
> > > msg handling "stuff" does the process need to involve a twillo/telcom?
> > >
> > > I've seen open source projects (zulip) that have the
> > > server/client/mobile parts, but have no clue as to what's involved with
> > > architecting or building out a complete/working solution.
> > >
> > > So, I figured I'd ask here if anyone has any insight into this kind of
> > > system, or has pointers to any company/resource that I could talk to.
> > >
> > > Thanks guys -- Have a cool weekend!
> > >
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> >
> > Mark Haney ::: Senior Systems Engineer
> > *VIF* *International Education*
> > P.O. Box 3566 ::: Chapel Hill, N.C. 27515 ::: USA
> > 919-265-5006 office
> >
> > Global learning for all.
> > www.viflearn.com
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[bruce]

Thanks Mark.

Given me pointers.. Appreciate it.

Ultimately, I envision a backend/blackbox that would handle all the message
stuff, but it seems as though I'm looking for a chat/msg server/client
apps. Ok, narrows down the domain to focus on..

As to the deployment, target group. The focus is the college market, so if
this thing ever happened, and got to 1-2 million, it would be a "wild"
success... but for the testing process, 100-200 test users are more than
enough to really prove the overall concept.

Thanks!

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Mark Haney 
wrote:
> Honestly, you're better off using existing apps and scraping their data,
> especially things like Twitter.  Based on your description, it sounds a lot
> like Groupon, et al, and unless your business case is /very/ compelling I
> wouldn't expect another "messenger app" type to get a high adoption rate.
>
> A quick google search for 'build mobile messaging app' came up with more
> than 2m results, the first page being pretty detailed.  If you're looking
> to do this, I would start there instead of trying to build from scratch.
> Unless, of course, you're an experienced programmer.
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:02 AM, bruce  wrote:
> > Hi Mark.
> >
> > Here's my use case.
> >
> > Master process sends out msgs to 5 people, 'hey, gret deal' 1st 100
> > people get it for price X"
> >
> > The 5 people then send the msgs to their friends, who in turn send to
> > their friends, etc..
> >
> > Now, in theory, you can already do this with your cell phone.. You whip
> > out your contact list, send the msgs.. done!
> >
> > But for my goal, I'm envisioning a chat/messenger app, allowing the
> > project to capture/track the msgs, so I guess what is needed is an
> > understanding of the nuances/issues for a chat/messenger app..
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > And again, any pointers, either here or offline are great!
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Mark Haney 
> > wrote:
> > > I'm not entirely sure what you're working toward.  I mean, all recent
> > > phones (last decade at least) can already send/receive SMS messages, so I
> > > fail to understand your project simply based on that.  I don't mind taking
> > > this offline, if the list isn't interested, but more information is needed
> > > before anyone can really help you.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:47 AM, bruce  wrote:
> > > > Hi guys.
> > > >
> > > > This is totally off topic -- so delete as required!!
> > > >
> > > > I'm investigating a project, and have no clue as to where to start,
> > > > other than Google/reseach/etc..
> > > >
> > > > Curious as to how to setup a test system to have test users
> > > > send/receive sms/test messages.
> > > >
> > > > If a user has a mobile/app that connects back to the "server" for the
> > > > msg handling "stuff" does the process need to involve a twillo/telcom?
> > > >
> > > > I've seen open source projects (zulip) that have the
> > > > server/client/mobile parts, but have no clue as to what's involved with
> > > > architecting or building out a complete/working solution.
> > > >
> > > > So, I figured I'd ask here if anyone has any insight into this kind of
> > > > system, or has pointers to any company/resource that I could talk to.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks guys -- Have a cool weekend!
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > >
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> > > *VIF* *International Education*
> > > P.O. Box 3566 ::: Chapel Hill, N.C. 27515 ::: USA
> > > 919-265-5006 office
> > >
> > > Global learning for all.
> > > www.viflearn.com
> > > Find VIF on Facebook http://facebook.com/VIFInternationalEducation |
> > > Twitter https://twitter.com/vifglobaled | LinkedIn
> > > http://www.linkedin.com/company/vif-international-education
> > >
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> P.O. Box 3566 ::: Chapel Hill, N.C. 27515 ::: USA
> 919-265-5006 office
>
> Global learning for all.
> www.viflearn.com
> Find VIF on Facebook http://facebook.com/VIFInternationalEducation |
> Twitter https://twitter.com/vifglobaled | LinkedIn
> http://www.linkedin.com/company/vif-international-education
>
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