Well today with hdparm I learned what I should have guessed. The difference in data flow is not enough to even think about. I paid $70.00 for my SATA and it is just not what I had hoped for. It is just a newer design of the old IDE and not much faster. I will use it but not for anything but another kind of thing. Maybe F9.
On 9/28/07, Karl Larsen k5di@zianet.com wrote:
Well today with hdparm I learned what I should have guessed. The difference in data flow is not enough to even think about. I paid $70.00 for my SATA and it is just not what I had hoped for. It is just a newer design of the old IDE and not much faster. I will use it but not for anything but another kind of thing. Maybe F9.
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Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org.
Karl,
Why did you feel the need to change the subject title? This conclusion belongs under the subject of your old email "Hard Drive data rates". It would have provided closure to that subject and make searching the list archives much easier and more productive. Use your web browser and go to https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2007-September/thread.html . Your new message adds clutter to the structure of the message list. It does a similar thing to those who filter and organize their mail by subject. It would be much appreciated if you would remain as they say "on topic".
--Kam
Karl Larsen wrote:
Well today with hdparm I learned what I should have guessed. The difference in data flow is not enough to even think about. I paid $70.00 for my SATA and it is just not what I had hoped for. It is just a newer design of the old IDE and not much faster. I will use it but not for anything but another kind of thing. Maybe F9.
This should not have come as a surprise. There is no magic in the world and there's no magic in the machines. If the speeds of the vanilla SATA were significantly higher than IDE, everyone would've switched already instead of drooling over solid state drives. But the thing is, SATA is only one of the methods for letting the computer communicate with the hard drive. The method might be more efficient than IDE, but the HD itself is still as slow as it was before. I *suspect* you might see a big difference between using 2 HDs simultaneously on 2 channels of a single IDE controller vs. 2 sata channels... In other words, copying data from HD1 to HD2 should be faster with SATA drives as they're independent of each other (while master/slave IDE devices "lock" the bus and only one can talk at any given time). So, if you're setting up RAID, you either go with SATA+software RAID or IDE + hardware RAID controller (if SCSI is not in the picture, etc.). I could be wrong though. There are also other considerations.. like improving the airflow inside the computer case - SATA cables seem to be naturally better suited for that.
Karl Larsen wrote:
Well today with hdparm I learned what I should have guessed. The difference in data flow is not enough to even think about. I paid $70.00 for my SATA and it is just not what I had hoped for. It is just a newer design of the old IDE and not much faster. I will use it but not for anything but another kind of thing. Maybe F9.
Are your drives and motherboard SATA II capable? If they are, you will see a performance increase over the old PATA(IDE/ATA) drives.
Eric Feldhusen
Eric J. Feldhusen wrote:
Karl Larsen wrote:
Well today with hdparm I learned what I should have guessed. The difference in data flow is not enough to even think about. I paid $70.00 for my SATA and it is just not what I had hoped for. It is just a newer design of the old IDE and not much faster. I will use it but not for anything but another kind of thing. Maybe F9.
Are your drives and motherboard SATA II capable? If they are, you will see a performance increase over the old PATA(IDE/ATA) drives.
Eric Feldhusen
As I recall this new motherboard said something like SATA ATA. So I was too green to read what I should have into that. I do not have SATA II but will locate my motherboard book and make sure.
On Sat September 29 2007, Karl Larsen wrote:
As I recall this new motherboard said something like SATA ATA. So I was too green to read what I should have into that. I do not have SATA II but will locate my motherboard book and make sure.
TigerDirect has a habit of offering seemingly great-sounding deals but usually, they're just cleaning out previous technology inventory. You have to really know the technology and read between the lines and all the fine lines to know exactly what you're getting -- most of the big box retailers do the same, but I've found Tiger to be a little more blatant about it with their big in-your-face hyper-exagerated advertising
Claude Jones wrote:
On Sat September 29 2007, Karl Larsen wrote:
As I recall this new motherboard said something like SATA ATA. So I was too green to read what I should have into that. I do not have SATA II but will locate my motherboard book and make sure.
TigerDirect has a habit of offering seemingly great-sounding deals but usually, they're just cleaning out previous technology inventory. You have to really know the technology and read between the lines and all the fine lines to know exactly what you're getting -- most of the big box retailers do the same, but I've found Tiger to be a little more blatant about it with their big in-your-face hyper-exagerated advertising
Yes they do show everything in it's best light. I bought a "package deal" which sounded good and was. I got a small black box from Ultra Micro Fly and it is a "Micro ATX Case" which has things you unscrew and you put the mother board on a tray on your desk to mount the cpu and such things. The hard drives have a holder that you take out and screw them in and then screw the holder back in.
The mother board has everything and after nVIDIA provided the Linux drivers for the video card everything works. The cpu is twice as fast as my old one. So I got a new computer for $150.00 and didn't have to pay for Windows of course.
It has a 2 SATA plug but it is not the SATA II which I learned about today. It says the SATA data goes to the pci buss. It works but not as fast as I thought.
On Saturday September 29 2007 12:41:52 pm Karl Larsen wrote:
The mother board has everything and after nVIDIA provided the Linux drivers for the video card everything works. The cpu is twice as fast as my old one. So I got a new computer for $150.00 and didn't have to pay for Windows of course.
It has a 2 SATA plug but it is not the SATA II which I learned about today. It says the SATA data goes to the pci buss. It works but not as fast as I thought.
At that price, I'll bet you got a dual-core as opposed to core-duo processor, which is fine, but, not the newer even faster technology; and I'd bet that you got a slower FSB, less memory capacity and slower memory, and maybe regular SATA as opposed to SATA II, though on this last, I doubt it - however, the drive you bought may be only SATA I, that's pretty common still, and if you plug that into a SATA II controller, it's still only going to run at the slower speed.
Unless you're doing big database crunching or video editing or similar things, I'm sure you'll be quite happy, so this is not intended as a criticism of your purchase at all.
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