Hi,
Does anyone have any good/bad experience with this graphics chipset: On-motherboard AMD Radeon HD8200 R3 series
I was offered a reasonable price for a system using it, but really don't want to have to deal with something that's going to be pain.
On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 00:14:51 +0930 Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
Does anyone have any good/bad experience with this graphics chipset: On-motherboard AMD Radeon HD8200 R3 series
I was offered a reasonable price for a system using it, but really don't want to have to deal with something that's going to be pain.
No direct experience with that exact chipset, but I am using an older ATI graphics card (r5 series) without any problems at all. R3 would be older than mine (I think the latest is R9), and since ATI has open sourced their interfaces, would probably be well supported in the open source radeon driver.
Not a definite answer, but another point of information for you.
On 06/17/2016 07:44 AM, Tim wrote:
Does anyone have any good/bad experience with this graphics chipset: On-motherboard AMD Radeon HD8200 R3 series
My experience with AMD graphics has been that unless the chipset was just released in the last few months, it will work great.
On 17/06/16 08:44, Tim wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone have any good/bad experience with this graphics chipset: On-motherboard AMD Radeon HD8200 R3 series
I was offered a reasonable price for a system using it, but really don't want to have to deal with something that's going to be pain.
Last year I purchased a motherboard with onboard AMD graphics. A real nightmare.
Check the AMD site for support for the video card.
As it turned out, AMD dropped support for the chipset and their web site states to get a new graphics card.
I would get full lockups of the X-graphics using the open source driver. Keyboard was useless. X-window was a frozen window of what was on the screen. I could move the mouse pointer around the screen but no action. This occurred anytime I was going through a directory of images or videos. Very frustrating.
I could ssh into the system and close down programs but I still had to reboot to get graphics working again. Never had time to try to debug it but with AMD web site saying that there were no drivers and to upgrade the video card, I just didn't feel it was worthwhile.
Purchased an nvida GeForce GTX 960 card and put it in. No issues since.
I would have to do a reboot to know the onboard video.
Unless you want to use as a server, I would avoid it.
On 19/06/16 22:43, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 06/19/2016 05:12 PM, Robin Laing wrote:
I would have to do a reboot to know the onboard video.
Use this: lspci | grep VGA
Doesn't even need root. HTH, HAND.
Doesn't show the onboard video. Tried that before I posted.
I only get the Nvidia GTX 960.
On board video is disabled in BIOS.
Robin
On 06/19/2016 05:12 PM, Robin Laing wrote:
Last year I purchased a motherboard with onboard AMD graphics. A real nightmare.
Check the AMD site for support for the video card.
As it turned out, AMD dropped support for the chipset and their web site states to get a new graphics card.
You bought a new motherboard and AMD had already dropped support for it? I have years old boards and video cards and they all work perfectly. I haven't seen any chipsets that they've dropped support for. They have dropped support in their proprietary driver, but the open source one fully supports them.
I would get full lockups of the X-graphics using the open source driver. Keyboard was useless. X-window was a frozen window of what was on the screen. I could move the mouse pointer around the screen but no action. This occurred anytime I was going through a directory of images or videos. Very frustrating.
If the mouse pointer is still moving around the screen, then the X server is still functioning at least to some extent. Was there anything in the log? Did you file a bug report?
Purchased an nvida GeForce GTX 960 card and put it in. No issues since.
I have had many issues with NVidia cards. I won't run the proprietary driver for various reasons and as much as I very much appreciate the work of the nouveau developers, there is still a ways to go. There has only been one laptop that I had to install the NVidia driver on because it was completely unusable otherwise. But other desktops and laptops have issues that need to be worked around.
I would have to do a reboot to know the onboard video.
As someone else mentioned, lspci would give you the information you're looking for unless the BIOS completely disables it which might be the case.
Unless you want to use as a server, I would avoid it.
On your experience of one instance, you're telling him that all AMD cards are bad. My experience is that on a very wide variety of desktops and laptops with AMD graphics, the only one that gave me trouble was a brand new chipset and that had support within a couple of months.
On 19/06/16 23:44, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 06/19/2016 05:12 PM, Robin Laing wrote:
Last year I purchased a motherboard with onboard AMD graphics. A real nightmare.
Check the AMD site for support for the video card.
As it turned out, AMD dropped support for the chipset and their web site states to get a new graphics card.
You bought a new motherboard and AMD had already dropped support for it? I have years old boards and video cards and they all work perfectly. I haven't seen any chipsets that they've dropped support for. They have dropped support in their proprietary driver, but the open source one fully supports them.
It was for a cheap desktop and I wanted on board video to save money. It was not a newer version of chip though. Never had an AMD video card for years since they were ATI. I thought I would trust open source driver when I purchased board. Didn't look at closed source driver until I had problems. I wanted to try the closed source driver to see if it would fix the problem.
I would get full lockups of the X-graphics using the open source driver. Keyboard was useless. X-window was a frozen window of what was on the screen. I could move the mouse pointer around the screen but no action. This occurred anytime I was going through a directory of images or videos. Very frustrating.
If the mouse pointer is still moving around the screen, then the X server is still functioning at least to some extent. Was there anything in the log? Did you file a bug report?
Nothing in the log files.
I agree, there was some life but it was useless to try anything. Even killing it from a ssh session didn't reset anything. Shutdown and reboot was the only thing that would get the card working again. Killing X server and restarting wouldn't get it working.
If I found anything I would have submitted a bug report.
Purchased an nvida GeForce GTX 960 card and put it in. No issues since.
I have had many issues with NVidia cards. I won't run the proprietary driver for various reasons and as much as I very much appreciate the work of the nouveau developers, there is still a ways to go. There has only been one laptop that I had to install the NVidia driver on because it was completely unusable otherwise. But other desktops and laptops have issues that need to be worked around.
If the Nouveau driver used the full feature of the card, I would be happy with it. Due to requirements, I need the speed of the closed source driver. I am also testing some stuff that uses the CUDA processors. This is on a different machine. Purchased a high end Nvidia card for some future work on a new machine with the intent of using the processors.
This machine that I have issues with was supposed to be a simple work machine and view videos and images to relax. I would have a lockup on an almost daily basis using the on board video. I have not had a lockup since I changed cards.
I would have to do a reboot to know the onboard video.
As someone else mentioned, lspci would give you the information you're looking for unless the BIOS completely disables it which might be the case.
See other post.
Unless you want to use as a server, I would avoid it.
On your experience of one instance, you're telling him that all AMD cards are bad. My experience is that on a very wide variety of desktops and laptops with AMD graphics, the only one that gave me trouble was a brand new chipset and that had support within a couple of months.
I am also commenting from discussions with our IT staff that has dealt with these problems. He uses AMD cards, but avoids on-board video due to problems like mine. Another person that runs a small resort network makes the same comment about on-board video issues.
In our discussions, it may be related to shared ram issues.
I went to Nvidia when I tried an ATI card many years ago and fought to get it working for over a month. Nvidia card up and running with full 3D in less than 30 minutes from the time I paid for it.
I like that even my old card in an old computer still gets updates from Nvidia as a legacy driver.
From the manual, this is the video.
On board video ATI Radeon HD 3000GPU. 1GB of shared memory.
On Sat, 2016-06-18 at 00:14 +0930, Tim wrote:
Does anyone have any good/bad experience with this graphics chipset: On-motherboard AMD Radeon HD8200 R3 series
I'm keeping watch on this thread, and have seen the five replies, so far. I can say things for and against AMD and NVidia in general, myself. However, I'm hoping that someone might have some experience with that specific chipset.
I did have a quick squiz at an AMD compatibility table, but that lists a plethora of technical things I do not know about, and gives no clue about general-use issues like: Does it run reliably? Can I run it without tortuous configuration and special software installation.
I am not trying to do anything special (no games, etc.), just run of the mill internet computing, and the ability to play ordinary video media, the likes of what you may find on YouTube (which does mean some HDTV resolutions, at full screen).
My current PC had a NVidia AGP card that went doolally. It's been the cause of numerous crashes while watching videos. Pull the card out and use the on-board graphics (Chrome, ugh!), and it can't even manage medium definition TV (mid-way between SD and HD), but doesn't crash. The sound goes out of sync, the frame rate goes down. It's even a pain to just draw the basic windows when you open things like email.
So, trying to find a viable alternative that I can buy from local shops (where I can take things back) is becoming a priority. Going slightly in my favour is that Australia is always behind the rest of the world with hardware, so what may be a new and a problem to someone overseas, may be old and supported by the time that we can purchase it over here.
On 20/06/16 08:30, Tim wrote:
On Sat, 2016-06-18 at 00:14 +0930, Tim wrote:
Does anyone have any good/bad experience with this graphics chipset: On-motherboard AMD Radeon HD8200 R3 series
I'm keeping watch on this thread, and have seen the five replies, so far. I can say things for and against AMD and NVidia in general, myself. However, I'm hoping that someone might have some experience with that specific chipset.
I did have a quick squiz at an AMD compatibility table, but that lists a plethora of technical things I do not know about, and gives no clue about general-use issues like: Does it run reliably? Can I run it without tortuous configuration and special software installation.
I am not trying to do anything special (no games, etc.), just run of the mill internet computing, and the ability to play ordinary video media, the likes of what you may find on YouTube (which does mean some HDTV resolutions, at full screen).
My current PC had a NVidia AGP card that went doolally. It's been the cause of numerous crashes while watching videos. Pull the card out and use the on-board graphics (Chrome, ugh!), and it can't even manage medium definition TV (mid-way between SD and HD), but doesn't crash. The sound goes out of sync, the frame rate goes down. It's even a pain to just draw the basic windows when you open things like email.
So, trying to find a viable alternative that I can buy from local shops (where I can take things back) is becoming a priority. Going slightly in my favour is that Australia is always behind the rest of the world with hardware, so what may be a new and a problem to someone overseas, may be old and supported by the time that we can purchase it over here.
Your view are what I was thinking when I purchases an motherboard with integrated graphics. Save some money. I have had good support with open source drivers but using Nvidia in the past. I wasn't looking for speed or anything fancy. Go through groups of graphics and videos when I wanted to relax. Had almost nightly crashes with an older series of cards.
If your card is supported on AMD's site then I feel it could be worth a try. I personally won't purchase another mother board with on-board video unless it is going to be a server. Same advise from the IT person at work and a good friend of mine that runs a small resort network.
We think it is a memory issue due to the shared memory.
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