emacs problem

[François Patte]

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Bonjour,

I have a problem with Emacs and as I ask the question on usenet emacs
lists and as other people using other linux distro do not have this
problem, I ask my question here:

1- Clipboard: it seems that there is a specific clipboard for Emacs
under Fedora/Gnome; I am unable to copy something from any other
application and paste it in emacs. It is always the last thing
copied/cut *in* emacs which is pasted in emacs whatever you could have
selected and copied in other windows (say: terminal, acroread...)

2- The dead key circumflex/trema of my french keyboard is not working in
Emacs: the sequence ^a doesn't give â but a (same with ^e,^i,...).

Thanks for any suggestion.
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François Patte
UFR de mathématiques et informatique
Université René Descartes
http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte
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[Martin Marques]

François Patte wrote:
>  
>  I have a problem with Emacs and as I ask the question on usenet emacs
>  lists and as other people using other linux distro do not have this
>  problem, I ask my question here:
>  
>  1- Clipboard: it seems that there is a specific clipboard for Emacs
>  under Fedora/Gnome; I am unable to copy something from any other
>  application and paste it in emacs. It is always the last thing
>  copied/cut *in* emacs which is pasted in emacs whatever you could have
>  selected and copied in other windows (say: terminal, acroread...) 
Can't answer this one. I use KDE, and there we have klipper. :-)

>  2- The dead key circumflex/trema of my french keyboard is not working
> in
>  Emacs: the sequence ^a doesn't give â but a (same with ^e,^i,...). 
Is this behaviour general to all applications? Or does it only ocurre 
with emacs?

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[François Patte]

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Martin Marques a écrit :
| François Patte wrote:
|

|> 2- The dead key circumflex/trema of my french keyboard is not working in
|> Emacs: the sequence ^a doesn't give â but a (same with ^e,^i,...).
|
|
| Is this behaviour general to all applications? Or does it only ocurre
| with emacs?

Only in emacs: in terminals, oowriter, .... thunderbird: â î ô ê û

no problem!

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François Patte
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Université René Descartes
http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte
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[Martin Marques]

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, François Patte wrote:

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>  Martin Marques a écrit :
>  | François Patte wrote:
>  |
>
>  |> 2- The dead key circumflex/trema of my french keyboard is not working in
>  |> Emacs: the sequence ^a doesn't give â but a (same with ^e,^i,...).
>  |
>  |
>  | Is this behaviour general to all applications? Or does it only ocurre
>  | with emacs?
>
>  Only in emacs: in terminals, oowriter, .... thunderbird: â î ô ê û 
See if this helps:

http://www.iecn.u-nancy.fr/~ammann/tex/TeX-live3/doc/html/auctex/auc-tex_...

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[Charles Curley]

On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 11:00:25AM +0530, François Patte wrote:
>  Bonjour,
>  
>  I have a problem with Emacs and as I ask the question on usenet emacs
>  lists and as other people using other linux distro do not have this
>  problem, I ask my question here:
>  
>  1- Clipboard: it seems that there is a specific clipboard for Emacs
>  under Fedora/Gnome; I am unable to copy something from any other
>  application and paste it in emacs. It is always the last thing
>  copied/cut *in* emacs which is pasted in emacs whatever you could have
>  selected and copied in other windows (say: terminal, acroread...) 
Emacs has its own clipboard, a ring buffer. The top item in emacs'
ring buffer is supposed to also be the clipboard entry for X. For
example, I just went to a gnome terminal, highlighted some text, and
returned to emacs. With C-Y, I had the text in emacs.

I've occasionally had problems moving text between Acroread or
OpenOffice.org and Emacs, but they do weird things with their
clipboard code. My workaround is to shut both applications down and
restart them. To make life easier, look into desktop mode for emacs
(desktop.el).

>  
>  2- The dead key circumflex/trema of my french keyboard is not working in
>  Emacs: the sequence ^a doesn't give � but a (same with ^e,^i,...). 
Emacs has its own text entry methods. You may want to look into leim,
the Library of Emacs Input Methods. "yum install emacs-leim".

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[Michael A. Peters]

On Wed, 2007-03-21 at 09:52 -0600, Charles Curley wrote:
>  On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 11:00:25AM +0530, François Patte wrote:
>  > Bonjour,
>  > 
>  > I have a problem with Emacs and as I ask the question on usenet emacs
>  > lists and as other people using other linux distro do not have this
>  > problem, I ask my question here:
>  > 
>  > 1- Clipboard: it seems that there is a specific clipboard for Emacs
>  > under Fedora/Gnome; I am unable to copy something from any other
>  > application and paste it in emacs. It is always the last thing
>  > copied/cut *in* emacs which is pasted in emacs whatever you could have
>  > selected and copied in other windows (say: terminal, acroread...)
>  
>  Emacs has its own clipboard, a ring buffer. The top item in emacs'
>  ring buffer is supposed to also be the clipboard entry for X. For
>  example, I just went to a gnome terminal, highlighted some text, and
>  returned to emacs. With C-Y, I had the text in emacs.
>  
>  I've occasionally had problems moving text between Acroread or
>  OpenOffice.org and Emacs, but they do weird things with their
>  clipboard code. My workaround is to shut both applications down and
>  restart them. To make life easier, look into desktop mode for emacs
>  (desktop.el). 
Something that has worked for me in the past is to paste into gedit and
save - and them open the gedit text file in an emacs.

[Kam Leo]

On 3/20/07, François Patte <francois.patte(a)math-info.univ-paris5.fr&gt; wrote:
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>  Bonjour,
>
>  I have a problem with Emacs and as I ask the question on usenet emacs
>  lists and as other people using other linux distro do not have this
>  problem, I ask my question here:
>
>  1- Clipboard: it seems that there is a specific clipboard for Emacs
>  under Fedora/Gnome; I am unable to copy something from any other
>  application and paste it in emacs. It is always the last thing
>  copied/cut *in* emacs which is pasted in emacs whatever you could have
>  selected and copied in other windows (say: terminal, acroread...)
>
>  2- The dead key circumflex/trema of my french keyboard is not working in
>  Emacs: the sequence ^a doesn't give â but a (same with ^e,^i,...).
>
>  Thanks for any suggestion.
>  - --
>  François Patte
>  UFR de mathématiques et informatique
>  Université René Descartes
>  http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte 
Have you tried xemacs?

[David L. Gehrt]

>  Bonjour,
>  
>  I have a problem with Emacs and as I ask the question on usenet emacs
>  lists and as other people using other linux distro do not have this
>  problem, I ask my question here:
>  
>  1- Clipboard: it seems that there is a specific clipboard for Emacs
>  under Fedora/Gnome; I am unable to copy something from any other
>  application and paste it in emacs. It is always the last thing
>  copied/cut *in* emacs which is pasted in emacs whatever you could have
>  selected and copied in other windows (say: terminal, acroread...) 
This is a configuration item.  I use emacs and have no problems cutting
in emacs and pasting in other apps, even XP apps when using a terminal
emulator from my XP laptop.

I can be no help on the other question.

<snip>

dlg

[lanas]

Le Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:00:25 +0530,
François Patte <francois.patte(a)math-info.univ-paris5.fr&gt; a écrit :

I fear I do not have any solutions, but only comments that "everything
works".

>  1- Clipboard: it seems that there is a specific clipboard for Emacs
>  under Fedora/Gnome; I am unable to copy something from any other
>  application and paste it in emacs. It is always the last thing
>  copied/cut *in* emacs which is pasted in emacs whatever you could have
>  selected and copied in other windows (say: terminal, acroread...) 
I use FC6 and I see no problem in copy-paste from/to emacs.  I select
text using the mouse in a terminal then I paste it in emacs' scratch
pad using the middle mouse button.  Same with open office, sylpheed,
etc..  With the pdf viewer there's a special function to select text.
Once this function is used, then I can paste the copied text im emacs
using Ctrl-Ins.

I must say that I compile my own emacs that I've picked up sometime ago
(about 2 years) at the cvs on Savannah.  It reports to be of the
22.0.51.1 variety.  I compile it using no special switches, just a
simple configure, make bootstrap, make install.

>  2- The dead key circumflex/trema of my french keyboard is not
> working
>  in Emacs: the sequence ^a doesn't give â but a (same with ^e,^i,...). 
I do not use a French kybd, but a German one.  Nevertheless, the French
accentuated letters are all available in emacs, as well as when doing
copy-paste from other apps.  In fact, I reguarly write text in emacs
and copy-paste it in Windows' Outlook running in vmware.

Cordialement.

[François Patte]

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lanas a écrit :
| Le Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:00:25 +0530,
| François Patte <francois.patte(a)math-info.univ-paris5.fr&gt; a écrit :
|
| I fear I do not have any solutions, but only comments that "everything
| works".
|
|
|>1- Clipboard: it seems that there is a specific clipboard for Emacs
|>under Fedora/Gnome; I am unable to copy something from any other
|>application and paste it in emacs. It is always the last thing
|>copied/cut *in* emacs which is pasted in emacs whatever you could have
|>selected and copied in other windows (say: terminal, acroread...)
|
|
| I use FC6 and I see no problem in copy-paste from/to emacs.  I select
| text using the mouse in a terminal then I paste it in emacs' scratch
| pad using the middle mouse button.  Same with open office, sylpheed,
| etc..  With the pdf viewer there's a special function to select text.
| Once this function is used, then I can paste the copied text im emacs
| using Ctrl-Ins.

Yes, I can do the same: select a text in... whatever and copy it to the
clipboard, then copy it in Emacs window, using the middle mouse button
or Ctrl-y *but* I can do it *only* untill I cut a text in Emacs window
(mouse or keyboard), after that, in no way I can copy and paste a text
from another window: it is always the last selected text in Emacs which
can copied.... That's very strange, it is as if there were two
clipboards, one I can use *out* of Emacs, and one in Emacs, but I cannot
go from an application to Emacs....


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François Patte
UFR de mathématiques et informatique
Université René Descartes
http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte
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[Donald Arseneau]

François Patte <francois.patte(a)math-info.univ-paris5.fr&gt; writes:

>  1- Clipboard: it seems that there is a specific clipboard for Emacs
>  under Fedora/Gnome; I am unable to copy something from any other
>  application and paste it in emacs.  It is always the last thing
>  copied/cut *in* emacs which is pasted in emacs  
I get that *sometimes* too, but only when text in emacs is 
actively selected, but I use transient-mark-mode.  If you
use transient-mark-mode then try clicking in the emacs window
to un-select whatever was selected, then you can select from
another window.  

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[Joe Smith]

François Patte wrote:
>  ...
>  1- Clipboard: it seems that there is a specific clipboard for Emacs
>  under Fedora/Gnome; I am unable to copy something from any other
>  application and paste it in emacs. It is always the last thing
>  copied/cut *in* emacs which is pasted in emacs whatever you could have
>  selected and copied in other windows (say: terminal, acroread...)
>  ... 
I am by no means an expert here, but I will try to explain what I know.

Right off the top, people see different behavior with emacs because (a) 
the default behavior is unusual and awkward for new users, and 
(therefore, b) emacs is often customized. I'm not sure what 
configuration Fedora ships with anymore, I've fiddled with mine so much.

The first problem is that emacs is an old-style X application, and X 
clipboard usage has evolved since emacs design was adopted. The status 
quo for X on Linux now is that there are actually TWO clipboards, as you 
experienced. One supports the old X usage, one supports the newer, 
Windows-style "CUA" clipboard. Most newer GUI apps also support both, 
but the interface hides the old-style, whereas in emacs, the old-style 
clipboard is the "normal" emacs UI.

The old-style clipboard works like this: as soon as you select text with 
the mouse in any X application, the text is available for pasting using 
the middle mouse button. No keys to press at all, but it only holds one 
item and if you select something else, the previous clipboard contents 
are replaced. This selection/clipboard is named PRIMARY. It works 
perfectly well for using the mouse to copy and paste text within emacs 
as well.

Emacs also has it's own "clipboard" independent of X, which is called 
the "kill-ring" it holds a bunch (configurable; mine is 60) of items. 
Many editing operations in emacs automatically copy text to the 
kill-ring; the top item can be retrieved with Ctrl-Y ("yank").

All the recent emacs installs that I've seen configure emacs to make the 
top item in the kill-ring _equivalent to the X selection PRIMARY_. Thus, 
whatever you can yank in emacs, you can also paste into any X app using 
the middle mouse button, and whatever you select in another X 
application, emacs will put that on the kill-ring.

The new-style X clipboard is the one that all newer apps connect to 
Ctrl+C/X/V. This is named CLIPBOARD, and it also holds only one item, 
but it is filled only when you issue a copy or cut request. The two 
buffers, PRIMARY and CLIPBOARD, are completely independent and you can 
have two different things "in the clipboard" at the same time: one 
(PRIMARY) pasted by the middle mouse button, and one pasted by Ctrl+V 
(CLIPBOARD).

Emacs can also use CLIPBOARD, but by default (AFAIK) there is no 
interactive interface, i.e. Ctrl+C/X/V do not do have anything to do 
with the clipboard in emacs. The emacs functions for accessing CLIPBOARD 
are:

clipboard-yank           ;; paste CLIPBOARD, like Ctrl+V
clipboard-kill-ring-save ;; copy the top kill-ring item to CLIPBOARD
clipboard-kill-region    ;; kill text in region and copy to CLIPBOARD

These functions can be run (like any emacs function) by M-x 
function-name; they may or may not be bound to some key (e.g. a function 
key) or mouse button, depending on your configuration. If you run them 
by name, emacs will tell you what altenate key bindings exist--watch the 
minibuffer at the bottom.

There is a package called "cua.el" that provides more "normal" key 
bindings for these, but I prefer to stick to the emacs standard 
bindings. There is another configurable setting that automatically 
copies items to CLIPBOARD as well as PRIMARY, but again, I prefer to 
just keep them separate.

There you go, FMTYEWTK.

If you're just a glutton for punishment, you can read more about the X 
clipboard here:
http://standards.freedesktop.org/clipboards-spec/clipboards-0.1.txt

and about emacs and the clipboard here:
http://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html

<Joe