repositories very out-of-date for Thunderbird version?

[home user]

I very recently asked a question in the Thunderbird support forum. One 
person replied
"Find yourself an updated Thunderbird...".
I have version 60.7.0; the person implied that the current version is 
68.  That's 8 versions out-of-date.  I do a "dnf upgrade" every Thursday.

I did a "dnf check-update thunderbird" this afternoon..  No new versions 
are available.  Why are the repositories so far behind on Thunderbird?

thanks,
Bill.

[Ed Greshko]

On 9/17/19 10:08 AM, home user wrote:
>  I very recently asked a question in the Thunderbird support forum.
> One person replied
>  "Find yourself an updated Thunderbird...".
>  I have version 60.7.0; the person implied that the current version is
> 68.  That's 8 versions out-of-date.  I do a "dnf upgrade" every Thursday.
>
>  I did a "dnf check-update thunderbird" this afternoon..  No new versions
> are available.  Why are the repositories so far behind on Thunderbird? 
I am on F30 and....

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ rpm -q thunderbird
thunderbird-68.1.0-1.fc30.x86_64

It came yesterday along with kernel-5.2.14-200 and others

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[Ed Greshko]

On 9/17/19 10:12 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>  On 9/17/19 10:08 AM, home user wrote:
> > I very recently asked a question in the Thunderbird support forum. One
> person replied
> > "Find yourself an updated Thunderbird...".
> > I have version 60.7.0; the person implied that the current version is
> 68.  That's 8 versions out-of-date.  I do a "dnf upgrade" every Thursday.
> >
> > I did a "dnf check-update thunderbird" this afternoon..  No new versions
> are available.  Why are the repositories so far behind on Thunderbird?
>
>  I am on F30 and....
>
>  [egreshko@meimei ~]$ rpm -q thunderbird
>  thunderbird-68.1.0-1.fc30.x86_64
>
>  It came yesterday along with kernel-5.2.14-200 and others
>  
And I forgot to add....

Have you put an "exclude" in the dnf config?

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[home user]

Thank-you, Ed.

>  I am on F30 and.... 
I'm at F29, and hoping to upgrade to 30 in mid-October.  Am I stuck at 
Thunderbird 60.7 until then?

>  Have you put an "exclude" in the dnf config? 
"dnf config"?
Where is that?
And are you saying I do want an "exclude" there, or I don't want an 
"exclude" there?

[Ed Greshko]

On 9/17/19 10:28 AM, home user wrote:
>  Thank-you, Ed.
>
>  > I am on F30 and....
>
>  I'm at F29, and hoping to upgrade to 30 in mid-October.  Am I stuck at Thunderbird
> 60.7 until then?
>
>  > Have you put an "exclude" in the dnf config?
>
>  "dnf config"?
>  Where is that?
>  And are you saying I do want an "exclude" there, or I don't want an
> "exclude" there?
>  
Sorry, the file /etc/dnf/dnf.conf

Sometimes people don't want a package to be updated as they lose some functionality in
newer versions or a plugin to an app is no longer supported.

So, they add

excludepkgs=name,name

to that file or one of the repo files.

And, then they forget what they've done.  :-) :-)


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[Tim]

Hi,

Ed Greshko:
> > Have you put an "exclude" in the dnf config? 
the anonymous home user:
>  "dnf config"?
>  Where is that? 
When unsure, you can use the locate command to find likely suspects
(e.g. "dnf" named things) in the usual places for configuration files
(i.e. inside /etc).

  locate dnf|grep etc

With /etc/dnf/dnf.conf being the main configuration file, and there may
be other things of interest within /etc/dnf/.  But look in the
/etc/dnf.conf file for any "exlude" entries.

>  And are you saying I do want an "exclude" there, or I
> don't want an 
>  "exclude" there? 
You're being asked if you'd put one in, and forgotten about it.  An
exclude would stop updates (for particular packages listed with the
exclude).  In your case you don't want an exlude.

 
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[home user]

>  Sorry, the file /etc/dnf/dnf.conf 
I don't recall ever having touched that file.  To check...
---------------
-bash.4[dnf]: pwd
/etc/dnf
-bash.5[dnf]: cat dnf.conf
[main]
gpgcheck=1
installonly_limit=3
clean_requirements_on_remove=True
-bash.6[dnf]:
---------------
I suppose that until I upgrade to f30, I'm stuck with Thunderbird 60.7.
(I do not want to risk doing anything outside of dnf.)

>  And, then they forget what they've done.  :-) :-) 
Twooo
smileys?
Hmmm...  I think I know who one of the members of "they" is!

[Ed Greshko]

On 9/17/19 11:06 AM, home user wrote:
>  I don't recall ever having touched that file.  To check...
>  ---------------
>  -bash.4[dnf]: pwd
>  /etc/dnf
>  -bash.5[dnf]: cat dnf.conf
>  [main]
>  gpgcheck=1
>  installonly_limit=3
>  clean_requirements_on_remove=True
>  -bash.6[dnf]:
>  ---------------
>  I suppose that until I upgrade to f30, I'm stuck with Thunderbird 60.7.
>  (I do not want to risk doing anything outside of dnf.)  
You should also check your repo files.

cd /etc/yum.repos.d
grep excl *

Ah, what version of Fedora are you currently running?  If not running F29 or F30 there are
no updates.

thunderbird-60.7.0-1.fc28 was the last version built for that release.

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[Samuel Sieb]

On 9/16/19 7:28 PM, home user wrote:
>  Thank-you, Ed.
>  
>   > I am on F30 and....
>  
>  I'm at F29, and hoping to upgrade to 30 in mid-October.  Am I stuck at 
>  Thunderbird 60.7 until then? 
Thunderbird 68 was built September 6, so it might not be out of testing 
yet.  You can add "--enablerepo-updates-testing" to dnf if it's not 
available in updates yet.

[Gordon Messmer]

On 9/16/19 7:08 PM, home user wrote:
>  I have version 60.7.0; the person implied that the current version is
>
>  68.  That's 8 versions out-of-date.  I do a "dnf upgrade" every Thursday. 

No, Thunderbird 60 is not 8 versions out-of-date.  There was no major 
release in between 60 and 68:

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/releases/

Thunderbird 68 will be the first release using the new web extensions 
API (as I understand it), so check compatibility with any extensions 
that you use before upgrading.

[Felix Schwarz]

Hi,

Am 17.09.19 um 04:08 schrieb home user:
>  I very recently asked a question in the Thunderbird support forum.
> One person 
>  replied
>  "Find yourself an updated Thunderbird...".
>  I have version 60.7.0; the person implied that the current version is 68.  
>  That's 8 versions out-of-date.  I do a "dnf upgrade" every Thursday.
As Gordon already mentioned Thunderbird 68 was released just a few weeks ago 
and the previous version was 60.7.

Thunderbird uses Firefox's version numbers without having the release pace of 
Firefox so they will skip some versions.

>  I did a "dnf check-update thunderbird" this afternoon..  No
> new versions are 
>  available.  Why are the repositories so far behind on Thunderbird? 
Thunderbird 68 is currently in updates-testing:
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2019-32c48d9a5f

You can install it using
    sudo dnf update thunderbird --enablerepo=updates-testing

Often Fedora maintainers tend to be a bit more conservative when updating the 
"old" Fedora version so F29 might get updates a bit later than F30. Also 
updates in F30 tend to get more user testing ("karma"). That helps getting 
these updates in the "stable" repository sooner.

=> You can help!
    - get a Fedora account
    - install the version from updates-testing
    - send your comments/karma to bodhi

Also some extensions are not yet compatible with Thunderbird's new technology 
so if you use addons better check if they are compatible.

As far as I know the new Thunderbird version is not updated automatically on 
Windows for that very reason (IIRC they plan to do that with 68.1).

HTH
Felix

repositories very out-of-date for Thunderbird version? [CLOSED]

[home user]

(responding to a few posts)

(Samuel)
>  Thunderbird 68 was built September 6, so it might not be out
>  of testing yet.  You can add "--enablerepo-updates-testing"
>  to dnf if it's not available in updates yet. 
(Gordon)
>  No, Thunderbird 60 is not 8 versions out-of-date.  There was
>  no major release in between 60 and 68... 
(Felix)
>  As Gordon already mentioned Thunderbird 68 was released just
>  a few weeks ago and the previous version was 60.7.
>  Thunderbird uses Firefox's version numbers without having the
>  release pace of Firefox so they will skip some versions.
>  Thunderbird 68 is currently in updates-testing:...
>  You can install it using... 
Thank-you.  These answer the core question.  It's also good to know 
about Thunderbird version numbering.

I assume almost everyone belonging to this list has multiple systems 
they can use.  I'm an exception.  If you install something still in 
test, and it doesn't work, you have other systems to turn to.  I have 
only one system.  If I install the Thunderbird-68 test version, and it 
doesn't work, I'm stuck.  I'd have serious problems.  I recall from 
previous threads that even using the "fedora HYPERKITTY" has problems: 
posts submitted through that web page don't reach everyone.  So even 
getting help from this list would be limited.  This is also why I'm 
still at f29.  I hold off upgrading to f(n+1) until 1-3 weeks before 
f(n+2) is released.  This reduces risk and trouble for me.  So I'll hold 
off upgrading to Thunderbird-68 until I upgrade to f30 (mid-October) or 
Thunderbird is released to f29, whichever is first.

(Ed)
>  cd /etc/yum.repos.d
>  grep excl * 
Though Samuel, Gordon, and Felix answered the real question, it's
good 
for me to learn by doing as you said...
---------------
-bash.4[yum.repos.d]: ls
adobe-linux-x86_64.repo              fedora-updates-testing.repo
fedora-cisco-openh264.repo           rpmfusion-free.repo
fedora-modular.repo                  rpmfusion-free-updates.repo
fedora.repo                          rpmfusion-free-updates-testing.repo
fedora-updates-modular.repo          rpmfusion-nonfree.repo
fedora-updates.repo                  rpmfusion-nonfree-updates.repo
fedora-updates-testing-modular.repo  rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing.repo
-bash.5[yum.repos.d]: grep excl*
^C
-bash.6[yum.repos.d]: grep excl *
-bash.7[yum.repos.d]:
---------------
>  ah, what version of Fedora are you currently running?
Fedora-29, hoping to upgrade to 30 in mid-October.

(Tim)
>  the anonymous home user: 
My friends call me "Bill",
and members of this list are welcome to also. 
  I use "home user" because I assume that handle is more helpful to list 
members trying to help me than is "Bill".  With that handle, they have a 
better feel for my "level".
>  When unsure, you can use the locate command... 
Thank-you, Tim. 
I'll try to keep that in mind.

I've marked this thread "CLOSED".  I thank everyone who tried to help. 
I did learn a few things.

Bill.