/dev/video0

[Alain PORTAL]

Hi,

Can somebody tell me how is created this device?

When I'm connecting my webcam, nothing happends but in messages.log:

kernel: usb 4-1.4: USB disconnect, address 3
kernel: usb 4-1.4: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4
kernel: usb 4-1.4: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub
kernel: usb 4-1.4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
kernel: 4:3:1: cannot set freq 0 to ep 0x86
kernel: 4:3:2: cannot set freq 0 to ep 0x86

When I load the module ("modprobe gspca"), new in messages.log:
kernel: usbcore: registered new driver gspca
kernel: /var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/gspca_core.c: gspca driver 
01.00.04

And always no /dev/video0

I create it ("mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0; chmod go+wr /dev/video0"), verify

[root@lns-bzn-59-82-252-142-2 ~]# ls -l /dev/video0
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 81, 0 nov 16 01:45 /dev/video0

and run an application

[root@lns-bzn-59-82-252-142-2 ~]# xawtv
This is xawtv-3.95, running on Linux/i686 (2.6.18-1.2239.fc5)
WARNING: v4l-conf is compiled without DGA support.
can't open /dev/video0: No such device
v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway
v4l2: open /dev/video0: Aucun périphérique de ce type
v4l2: open /dev/video0: Aucun périphérique de ce type
v4l: open /dev/video0: Aucun périphérique de ce type
no video grabber device available

Where is the problem?

I'm loosing my hair...

Regards,
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[Alain PORTAL]

Sorry...

Le jeudi 16 novembre 2006 02:10, Alain PORTAL a écrit :

>  [root@lns-bzn-59-82-252-142-2 ~]# xawtv
>  This is xawtv-3.95, running on Linux/i686 (2.6.18-1.2239.fc5)
>  WARNING: v4l-conf is compiled without DGA support.
>  can't open /dev/video0: No such device
>  v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway
>  v4l2: open /dev/video0: Aucun périphérique de ce type
>  v4l2: open /dev/video0: Aucun périphérique de ce type
>  v4l: open /dev/video0: Aucun périphérique de ce type
>  no video grabber device available 
[root@lns-bzn-59-82-252-142-2 ~]# LANG=C xawtv
This is xawtv-3.95, running on Linux/i686 (2.6.18-1.2239.fc5)
WARNING: v4l-conf is compiled without DGA support.
can't open /dev/video0: No such device
v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway
v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such device
v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such device
v4l: open /dev/video0: No such device
no video grabber device available

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[Sam Varshavchik]

Alain PORTAL writes:

>  Hi,
>  
>  Can somebody tell me how is created this device?
>  
>  When I'm connecting my webcam, nothing happends but in messages.log:
>  
>  kernel: usb 4-1.4: USB disconnect, address 3
>  kernel: usb 4-1.4: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4
>  kernel: usb 4-1.4: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub
>  kernel: usb 4-1.4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
>  kernel: 4:3:1: cannot set freq 0 to ep 0x86
>  kernel: 4:3:2: cannot set freq 0 to ep 0x86 
[ … ]

>  v4l2: open /dev/video0: Aucun périphérique de ce type
>  v4l2: open /dev/video0: Aucun périphérique de ce type
>  v4l: open /dev/video0: Aucun périphérique de ce type
>  no video grabber device available
>  
>  Where is the problem? 
The kernel module is responsible for doing a bunch of things that eventually 
results in the creation of a device node.

If you don't get a device node, it usually means that your hardware device 
is not supported by the Linux kernel.

[Alain PORTAL]

Hi,

Le jeudi 16 novembre 2006 03:20, Sam Varshavchik a écrit :

>  The kernel module is responsible for doing a bunch of things that
>  eventually results in the creation of a device node.
>
>  If you don't get a device node, it usually means that your hardware device
>  is not supported by the Linux kernel. 
Problem is that http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html say that my cam is 
supported : Logitech 0x046d 0x08c2 QC Orbit/sphere MP

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[Sam Varshavchik]

Alain PORTAL writes:

>  Hi,
>  
>  Le jeudi 16 novembre 2006 03:20, Sam Varshavchik a écrit :
>  
> > The kernel module is responsible for doing a bunch of things that
> > eventually results in the creation of a device node.
> >
> > If you don't get a device node, it usually means that your hardware device
> > is not supported by the Linux kernel.
>  
>  Problem is that http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html say that my cam is 
>  supported : Logitech 0x046d 0x08c2 QC Orbit/sphere MP 
Well, I don't know what "supported" means here.  That page does not specify

the kernel version what kernel version it uses as a reference.  It also 
indicates that this hardware is supported by the "spca5xx" kernel driver.

I find no kernel module of that name on my FC 6 box.  I took a quick grep 
through the kernel 2.6.18 source, and I find no evidence of the existence of 
this kernel module.  Granted, this wasn't an exhaustive search, but I 
couldn't find anything.

Furthermore, if you actually bothered to click the "Download" link at the 
top of that page, you would've discovered that the driver for this hardware 
is not part of the Linux kernel, but is a separate kernel driver module that 
needs to be downloaded, and built.  That is, normally, a rather delicate 
task, but you got lucky here.  That page contains a broken link to an 
alleged prebuilt kernel module package for FC4.  But, it's fairly easy to 
figure out that the contents of http://atrpms.net/dist/fc6/gspca/ look to be 
rather promising for you.

However, rather than randomly downloading some of these rpms, why don't you 
go to http://atrpms.net, and follow the instructions for adding the atrpms 
repository to yum, then you should be able to get everything going simply by 
running "yum install foo", with your only remaining hurdle is to figure out 
what "foo" should be.

Looks like, at the bare minimum, you should install the "gspcav1" rpm, and 
the correct "gspcav1-kmdl-<kver>" rpm, that exactly matches the kernel 
version you're running.

[Alain PORTAL]

Le vendredi 17 novembre 2006 00:43, Sam Varshavchik a écrit :

>  Looks like, at the bare minimum, you should install the
> "gspcav1" rpm, and
>  the correct "gspcav1-kmdl-<kver>" rpm, that exactly matches the kernel
>  version you're running. 
rpms kernel version matches.

I send a mail to the gspca maintener who told me that this module isn't for my 
cam and that I have to take the uvcvideo driver 
(http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/)

Unfortunaly, after successful compile and install, when I want to load it :

[root@lns-bzn-22-82-249-91-178 ~]# modprobe uvcvideo
FATAL: Error inserting uvcvideo 
(/lib/modules/2.6.18-1.2239.fc5/usb/media/uvcvideo.ko): Unknown symbol in 
module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)

and new in /var/log/messges

kernel: uvcvideo: disagrees about version of symbol video_devdata
kernel: uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_devdata
kernel: uvcvideo: disagrees about version of symbol video_unregister_device
kernel: uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_unregister_device
kernel: uvcvideo: disagrees about version of symbol video_device_alloc
kernel: uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_device_alloc
kernel: uvcvideo: disagrees about version of symbol video_register_device
kernel: uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_register_device
kernel: uvcvideo: disagrees about version of symbol video_device_release
kernel: uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_device_release

Regards,
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[Sam Varshavchik]

Alain PORTAL writes:

>  Le vendredi 17 novembre 2006 00:43, Sam Varshavchik a écrit :
>  
> > Looks like, at the bare minimum, you should install the "gspcav1" rpm, and
> > the correct "gspcav1-kmdl-<kver>" rpm, that exactly matches the
> kernel
> > version you're running.
>  
>  rpms kernel version matches.
>  
>  I send a mail to the gspca maintener who told me that this module isn't for my 
>  cam and that I have to take the uvcvideo driver 
>  (http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/)
>  
>  Unfortunaly, after successful compile and install, when I want to load it :
>  
>  [root@lns-bzn-22-82-249-91-178 ~]# modprobe uvcvideo
>  FATAL: Error inserting uvcvideo 
>  (/lib/modules/2.6.18-1.2239.fc5/usb/media/uvcvideo.ko): Unknown symbol in 
>  module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
>  
>  and new in /var/log/messges
>  
>  kernel: uvcvideo: disagrees about version of symbol video_devdata
>  kernel: uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_devdata
>  kernel: uvcvideo: disagrees about version of symbol video_unregister_device
>  kernel: uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_unregister_device
>  kernel: uvcvideo: disagrees about version of symbol video_device_alloc
>  kernel: uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_device_alloc
>  kernel: uvcvideo: disagrees about version of symbol video_register_device
>  kernel: uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_register_device
>  kernel: uvcvideo: disagrees about version of symbol video_device_release
>  kernel: uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_device_release 
Looks like you compiled the kernel module against a version of the kernel 
that's different than the running kernel's version.

You need to be very careful when doing this, by hand.  You're much better 
off searching for a pre-built rpm that does this for you.

[Alain PORTAL]

Le vendredi 17 novembre 2006 01:46, Sam Varshavchik a écrit :

>  Looks like you compiled the kernel module against a version of the
> kernel
>  that's different than the running kernel's version. 
Problem is that I have only one kernel installed...

>  You need to be very careful when doing this, by hand.  You're
> much better
>  off searching for a pre-built rpm that does this for you. 
But there is no rpm today, there is no tarball, only cvs version ;-)
In french in the text "Essuyer les plâtres." :-)

Regards,
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[Sam Varshavchik]

Alain PORTAL writes:

>  Le vendredi 17 novembre 2006 01:46, Sam Varshavchik a écrit :
>  
> > Looks like you compiled the kernel module against a version of the kernel
> > that's different than the running kernel's version.
>  
>  Problem is that I have only one kernel installed...
>  
> > You need to be very careful when doing this, by hand.  You're much better
> > off searching for a pre-built rpm that does this for you.
>  
>  But there is no rpm today, there is no tarball, only cvs version ;-)
>  In french in the text "Essuyer les plâtres." :-) 
Did you run 'depmod -a' after installing the kernel module?

[Alain PORTAL]

Le vendredi 17 novembre 2006 02:38, Sam Varshavchik a écrit :

>  Did you run 'depmod -a' after installing the kernel module?
Of course :-)

Alain
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NFS and name of machine

[Liloulinx]

Hi evrybody,
I have 2 machines under FC5. I'm trying to configure NFS (Network File System) between
these 2 machines (client=pc006, server=pc005). 
So, I have added this in /etc/fstab and in /etc/exports:
/etc/fstab:
 #pc005:/home/rep-export    /home/rep-import    nfs    defaults    0 0
 192.168.1.5:/home/rep-export    /home/rep-import    nfs    defaults    0 0
 
 /etc/exports:
 /home/rep-export    *(rw,no_root_squash)
 
==> When I use in the client the "IP address" of the server, it works very
fine, but when I put the "name" of the server at the place of this IP address it
generate this error:
    mount -a
    mount to NFS server "pc005" failled

There is no error is added to the /var/log/messages file.
Apparently, the problem is that my PC does'nt recognize the name of the server
(pc005). (but ping pc005 works fine!).
I have added in /etc/hosts this line:
 192.168.1.5   pc005
but the problem persists.

Do you know what must I do 
to resolve this problem.


Thnx.
Lil



 		
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[Steve Searle]

Around 05:00pm on Friday, November 17, 2006 (UK time), L A scrawled:

>  Do you know what must I do 
>  to resolve this problem. 
No, but if you don't hijack threads you are more likely to get an
answer.

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NFS and name of machine

[Kip Thomas]

 192.168.1.5:/home/rep-export    /home/rep-import    nfs    defaults    0 0

you may want to change it to the name

On 11/17/06, L A <alilou_linux(a)yahoo.fr&gt; wrote:
>  Hi evrybody,
>  I have 2 machines under FC5. I'm trying to configure NFS (Network File
>  System) between these 2 machines (client=pc006, server=pc005).
>  So, I have added this in /etc/fstab and in /etc/exports:
>  /etc/fstab:
>  #pc005:/home/rep-export    /home/rep-import    nfs    defaults    0 0
>  192.168.1.5:/home/rep-export    /home/rep-import    nfs    defaults    0 0
>
>  /etc/exports:
>  /home/rep-export    *(rw,no_root_squash)
>
>  ==> When I use in the client the "IP address" of the server, it works very
>  fine, but when I put the "name" of the server at the place of this IP
>  address it generate this error:
>      mount -a
>      mount to NFS server "pc005" failled
>
>  There is no error is added to the /var/log/messages file.
>  Apparently, the problem is that my PC does'nt recognize the name of the
>  server (pc005). (but ping pc005 works fine!).
>  I have added in /etc/hosts this line:
>   192.168.1.5   pc005
>  but the problem persists.
>
>  Do you know what must I do
>  to resolve this problem.
>
>
>  Thnx.
>  Lil
>
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NFS and name of machine

[Liloulinx]

Yes, but when I change the address to its name, like this:
     pc005:/home/rep-export    /home/rep-import    nfs    defaults    0 0
it gives me an error: mount to NFS server "pc005" failled
!!!


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kip Thomas
  To: For users of Fedora
  Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:29 PM
  Subject: Re: NFS and name of machine


  192.168.1.5:/home/rep-export    /home/rep-import    nfs    defaults    0 0

  you may want to change it to the name


  On 11/17/06, L A < alilou_linux(a)yahoo.fr&gt; wrote:
    Hi evrybody,
    I have 2 machines under FC5. I'm trying to configure NFS (Network File 
System) between these 2 machines (client=pc006, server=pc005).
    So, I have added this in /etc/fstab and in /etc/exports:
    /etc/fstab:
    #pc005:/home/rep-export    /home/rep-import    nfs    defaults    0 0
    192.168.1.5:/home/rep-export    /home/rep-import    nfs    defaults    0 
0

    /etc/exports:
    /home/rep-export    *(rw,no_root_squash)

    ==> When I use in the client the "IP address" of the server, it works 
very fine, but when I put the "name" of the server at the place of this IP 
address it generate this error:
        mount -a
        mount to NFS server "pc005" failled

    There is no error is added to the /var/log/messages file.
    Apparently, the problem is that my PC does'nt recognize the name of the 
server (pc005). (but ping pc005 works fine!).
    I have added in /etc/hosts this line:
     192.168.1.5   pc005
    but the problem persists.

    Do you know what must I do
    to resolve this problem.


    Thnx.
    Lil





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NFS and name of machine

[Tim]

On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 18:00 +0100, L A wrote:
>  I have 2 machines under FC5. I'm trying to configure NFS (Network
> File
>  System) between these 2 machines (client=pc006, server=pc005). 
>  So, I have added this in /etc/fstab and in /etc/exports:
>  /etc/fstab:
>  #pc005:/home/rep-export         /home/rep-import    nfs    defaults    0 0
>  192.168.1.5:/home/rep-export    /home/rep-import    nfs    defaults    0 0
>  
>  /etc/exports:
>  /home/rep-export    *(rw,no_root_squash)
>  
>  ==> When I use in the client the "IP address" of the server, it works
>  very fine, but when I put the "name" of the server at the place of
>  this IP address it generate this error:
>      mount -a
>      mount to NFS server "pc005" failled 
You've mentioned adding to your hosts file, but have you tried adding
both machine names to your hosts files, on both PCs?

I've not tried using machine names with numbers in them.  I wonder if
there's an issue related to that?

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NFS and name of machine

[Erich Carlson]

On Sat, 2006-11-18 at 10:09 +1030, Tim wrote:
>  On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 18:00 +0100, L A wrote:
>  > I have 2 machines under FC5. I'm trying to configure NFS (Network File
>  > System) between these 2 machines (client=pc006, server=pc005). 
>  > So, I have added this in /etc/fstab and in /etc/exports:
>  > /etc/fstab:
>  > #pc005:/home/rep-export         /home/rep-import    nfs    defaults    0 0
>  > 192.168.1.5:/home/rep-export    /home/rep-import    nfs    defaults    0 0
>  > 
>  > /etc/exports:
>  > /home/rep-export    *(rw,no_root_squash)
>  > 
>  > ==> When I use in the client the "IP address" of the server, it works
>  > very fine, but when I put the "name" of the server at the place of
>  > this IP address it generate this error:
>  >     mount -a
>  >     mount to NFS server "pc005" failled
>   
This is a working example. Might help you debug your condition:

http://www.computerperceptions.net/nfs/

erich

NFS and name of machine

[Tim]

On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 17:45 -0600, Erich Carlson wrote:
>  This is a working example. Might help you debug your condition:
>  
>  http://www.computerperceptions.net/nfs/  
Don't forget to pay attention to the notices about it being insecure
(sharing out from the whole of the root of the directory tree, etc.).

It is an example of some bad practices.

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MS office Under Linux

[Liloulinx]

Hi,
I want to install MS-Word under my laptop by using "Wine", but I have 
encountered this error "unknown error".  Do you have solutions to my 
problem, or an other suggestion?
Thnx

---
Liloulinx

MS office Under Linux

[Paul F. Johnson]

Hi,

>  I want to install MS-Word under my laptop by using "Wine",
> but I have 
>  encountered this error "unknown error".  Do you have solutions to my 
>  problem, or an other suggestion? 
Best bet is to use Crossover Office over Wine, though you'll get hit by
that annoying Genuine Software crap thing which means you can't get any
updates or fixes.

Me, I'd use OpenOffice - way much more reliable!

TTFN

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MS office Under Linux

[Jonas G]

hi!
funny error :-D
You should use WineTools (http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/)

greetings

Liloulinx wrote:
>  Hi,
>  I want to install MS-Word under my laptop by using "Wine", but I have 
>  encountered this error "unknown error".  Do you have solutions to my 
>  problem, or an other suggestion?
>  Thnx
>
>  ---
>  Liloulinx
>

MS office Under Linux

[Liloulinx]

"Crossover Office" is not free.
I have tryed to install MS-office with Wine but I encontoured a problem. Is 
there any things or an other tool to add in order to solve this problem.
Liloulinx

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To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: MS office Under Linux


>  hi!
>  funny error :-D
>  You should use WineTools (http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/)
>
>  greetings
>
>  Liloulinx wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I want to install MS-Word under my laptop by using "Wine", but I have 
> > encountered this error "unknown error".  Do you have solutions to my 
> > problem, or an other suggestion?
> > Thnx
> >
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> >
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MS office Under Linux

[Edward Dekkers]

Liloulinx wrote:
>  "Crossover Office" is not free.
>  I have tryed to install MS-office with Wine but I encontoured a problem. 
>  Is there any things or an other tool to add in order to solve this problem.
>  Liloulinx 
Two real options if you don't want to pay:

1> Use OpenOffice instead. There's a reason MS Office won't run under 
Linux very well - it wasn't designed for it. I wouldn't hold your breath 
  waiting for Microsoft to make a "Microsoft Office for Linux".

2> Get a virtual machine emulator for Linux, and install Windows and 
Office under that.

Regards,
Ed.

MS office Under Linux

[Paul Smith]

On 12/26/06, Edward Dekkers <edward(a)tdcs.com.au&gt; wrote:
>  > "Crossover Office" is not free.
>  > I have tryed to install MS-office with Wine but I encontoured a problem.
>  > Is there any things or an other tool to add in order to solve this problem.
>  > Liloulinx
>
>  Two real options if you don't want to pay:
>
>  1> Use OpenOffice instead. There's a reason MS Office won't run under
>  Linux very well - it wasn't designed for it. I wouldn't hold your breath
>    waiting for Microsoft to make a "Microsoft Office for Linux".
>
>  2> Get a virtual machine emulator for Linux, and install Windows and
>  Office under that. 
In case you have a fast enough computer and some spare hard disk
space, then use VMware server, which is free and works fine:

http://www.vmware.com/download/server/

Paul

MS office Under Linux

[Liloulinx]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Smith" <phhs80(a)gmail.com&gt;
To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: MS office Under Linux


>  On 12/26/06, Edward Dekkers <edward(a)tdcs.com.au&gt; wrote:
> > > "Crossover Office" is not free.
> > > I have tryed to install MS-office with Wine but I encontoured a 
> > > problem.
> > > Is there any things or an other tool to add in order to solve this 
> > > problem.
> > > Liloulinx
> >
> > Two real options if you don't want to pay:
> >
> > 1> Use OpenOffice instead. There's a reason MS Office won't run under
> > Linux very well - it wasn't designed for it. I wouldn't hold your breath
> >   waiting for Microsoft to make a "Microsoft Office for Linux".
> >
> > 2> Get a virtual machine emulator for Linux, and install Windows and
> > Office under that.
>
>  In case you have a fast enough computer and some spare hard disk
>  space, then use VMware server, which is free and works fine:
>
>  http://www.vmware.com/download/server/
>
>  Paul
>  
Yes I think that I will install VMware. It's very heavy but I haven't the 
choice. I need MS-Word because OpenOffice doesn't make a symantic checking.
---
Liloulinx

MS office Under Linux

[Dotan Cohen]

On 26/12/06, Liloulinx <alilou_linux(a)yahoo.fr&gt; wrote:
>  Yes I think that I will install VMware. It's very heavy but I
> haven't the
>  choice. I need MS-Word because OpenOffice doesn't make a symantic checking. 
Do you mean grammer checking? I think that abiword has that ability.

Dotan Cohen

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[Patrick]

Dotan Cohen wrote:
>  On 26/12/06, Liloulinx <alilou_linux(a)yahoo.fr&gt; wrote:
> > Yes I think that I will install VMware. It's very heavy but I haven't the
> > choice. I need MS-Word because OpenOffice doesn't make a symantic 
> > checking.
>  
>  Do you mean grammer checking? I think that abiword has that ability.
>  
>  Dotan Cohen 
   I never found the grammar-checking in MS Office to work particularly 
great. Nothing seems to replace the good old Harbrace (see Mom...I did 
learn something in school).

Patrick

MS office Under Linux

[Dotan Cohen]

On 28/12/06, Patrick <flymooney(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Dotan Cohen wrote:
>  > On 26/12/06, Liloulinx <alilou_linux(a)yahoo.fr&gt; wrote:
>  >> Yes I think that I will install VMware. It's very heavy but I haven't
> the
>  >> choice. I need MS-Word because OpenOffice doesn't make a symantic
>  >> checking.
>  >
>  > Do you mean grammer checking? I think that abiword has that ability.
>  >
>  > Dotan Cohen
>
>     I never found the grammar-checking in MS Office to work particularly
>  great. Nothing seems to replace the good old Harbrace (see Mom...I did
>  learn something in school).
>  
Patrick, not all of us are native English speakers. Theose grammer
checkers are especially important for us who might be able to express
ourselves in English, but need to present a professional appearance.

Dotan Cohen

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MS office Under Linux

[Patrick]

Dotan Cohen wrote:

> > On 28/12/06, Patrick <flymooney(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >    I never found the grammar-checking in MS Office to work particularly
> > great. Nothing seems to replace the good old Harbrace (see Mom...I did
> > learn something in school). 
>  Patrick, not all of us are native English speakers. Theose grammer
>  checkers are especially important for us who might be able to express
>  ourselves in English, but need to present a professional appearance.
>  
>  Dotan Cohen 
   Exactly my point. If you want to present a professional appearance, 
do not rely on the grammar-checking in MS Office to get you there. 
Nothing replaces checking with a Harbrace (or a native speaker) when you 
need to make sure that what you are sending is grammatically correct. A 
good idea is to contract with a local college student who speaks both 
languages to check your most important emails. The low-priority ones do 
not have to be perfect. But if you are trying to project a professional 
appearance, nothing beats having the language in your email (or letters) 
verified by a native speaker.

Patrick

MS office Under Linux

[Alan Cox]

>  languages to check your most important emails. The low-priority ones
> do 
>  not have to be perfect. But if you are trying to project a professional 
>  appearance, nothing beats having the language in your email (or letters) 
>  verified by a native speaker. 
Very much so - especially as English is descriptive (That is there are no
rules, the language is described by studing its usage).

Incidentally if you like grammar, pedantry and language then pulling the
translation files for fedora tools (and Gnome, KDE etc) and checking them
is a very useful non-programming way to improve free software. Many of
the applications do not use good clear language.

Alan

MS office Under Linux

[Liloulinx]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <alan(a)lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk&gt;
To: <flymooney(a)gmail.com>; "For users of Fedora"
<fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: MS office Under Linux


> > languages to check your most important emails. The low-priority
> ones do
> > not have to be perfect. But if you are trying to project a professional
> > appearance, nothing beats having the language in your email (or letters)
> > verified by a native speaker.
>
>  Very much so - especially as English is descriptive (That is there are no
>  rules, the language is described by studing its usage).
>
>  Incidentally if you like grammar, pedantry and language then pulling the
>  translation files for fedora tools (and Gnome, KDE etc) and checking them
>  is a very useful non-programming way to improve free software. Many of
>  the applications do not use good clear language.
>
>  Alan
>
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I'm a french user :-)

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[Tim]

Dotan Cohen:
> > Patrick, not all of us are native English speakers. Theose
> grammer
> > checkers are especially important for us who might be able to express
> > ourselves in English, but need to present a professional appearance. 

Patrick:
>  Exactly my point. If you want to present a professional appearance, 
>  do not rely on the grammar-checking in MS Office to get you there. 
>  Nothing replaces checking with a Harbrace (or a native speaker) when you 
>  need to make sure that what you are sending is grammatically correct. 

I'd go along with that.  I am a native English speaker, and I've found
word processing grammar checking tools leave a lot to be desired.  Some
of the results, I've seen, give you the impression that a 12 year old
wrote the document.  They might find some glaring errors, but more
subtle ones go un-noticed.

MS office Under Linux

[Liloulinx]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim" <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au&gt;
To: <flymooney(a)gmail.com>; "For users of Fedora"
<fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: MS office Under Linux


>  Dotan Cohen:
> >> Patrick, not all of us are native English speakers. Theose grammer
> >> checkers are especially important for us who might be able to express
> >> ourselves in English, but need to present a professional appearance.
>
>
>  Patrick:
> > Exactly my point. If you want to present a professional appearance,
> > do not rely on the grammar-checking in MS Office to get you there.
> > Nothing replaces checking with a Harbrace (or a native speaker) when you
> > need to make sure that what you are sending is grammatically correct.
>
>
>  I'd go along with that.  I am a native English speaker, and I've found
>  word processing grammar checking tools leave a lot to be desired.  Some
>  of the results, I've seen, give you the impression that a 12 year old
>  wrote the document.  They might find some glaring errors, but more
>  subtle ones go un-noticed.
>
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>  
Is "Harbrace" a software or just a book? If it is also a soft, please
give 
me the link to download it (if it is free).

thnx

MS office Under Linux

[Tim]

On Sat, 2006-12-30 at 14:43 +0100, Liloulinx wrote:
>  Is "Harbrace" a software or just a book? If it is also a
> soft, please
>  give me the link to download it (if it is free). 
I've never heard of it before, but just doing a Google search on it
suggests that they're a publisher that publishes writing guides.

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[Patrick]

Liloulinx wrote:

>  Is "Harbrace" a software or just a book? If it is also a
> soft, please 
>  give me the link to download it (if it is free).
>  
>  thnx 
   A Harbrace is short for the "Harbrace Handbook". It is a reference 
guide and textbook for student writers and teachers. Each chapter deals 
with a certain aspect of the English language and its correct usage. The 
chapters are labeled with a number (and within them each section with a 
letter) corresponding to what aspect it addresses. When you write a 
paper and the teacher grades it, they will mark the grammatical mistakes 
with the number and letter which points to where you can find the 
correct usage (many times I received papers back with lots of red 
markings on it).

   There are other handbooks out there detailing proper English grammar 
but the Harbrace was one with which quite a few of us grew up. I think 
with the internationalization of business (brought on in large part by 
the Internet), most people understand that not everyone speaks English 
and the majority will give grammatical mistakes a pass when it is 
directly from a non-native speaker.

Patrick

MS office Under Linux

[Mike McCarty]

Tim wrote:
>  I'd go along with that.  I am a native English speaker, and
> I've found
>  word processing grammar checking tools leave a lot to be desired.  Some
>  of the results, I've seen, give you the impression that a 12 year old
>  wrote the document.  They might find some glaring errors, but more
>  subtle ones go un-noticed. 
I think you have unreasonable expectations. Back when computers
first started to be used to process things other than projectile
trajectories, people thought we'd be using them in 20 yrs or so
to do real language processing. That was in about 1950 or so.
It hasn't ever happened, because the problem is extremely
difficult. We perceive language processing to be easy, because
we have unperceived hardware assist in our brains. Consider:

"Fruit flies like a banana."

Is "flies" a verb, or a noun?

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[Tim]

Tim wrote:
> > I'd go along with that.  I am a native English speaker, and
> I've found
> > word processing grammar checking tools leave a lot to be desired.  Some
> > of the results, I've seen, give you the impression that a 12 year old
> > wrote the document.  They might find some glaring errors, but more
> > subtle ones go un-noticed. 
Mike McCarty:
>  I think you have unreasonable expectations. 
I don't agree.  I don't really expect them to be able to do any better
than they do.  Human language is a rather complex thing, with some quite
large regional variations.  But computer programmers like to try and
reduce things down to the lowest common denominator.  The two are
opposite goals.

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[Howard Howell]

On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 07:36 +1030, Tim wrote:
>  Tim wrote:
>  >> I'd go along with that.  I am a native English speaker, and I've found
>  >> word processing grammar checking tools leave a lot to be desired.  Some
>  >> of the results, I've seen, give you the impression that a 12 year old
>  >> wrote the document.  They might find some glaring errors, but more
>  >> subtle ones go un-noticed.
>  
>  Mike McCarty:
>  > I think you have unreasonable expectations.
>  
>  I don't agree.  I don't really expect them to be able to do any better
>  than they do.  Human language is a rather complex thing, with some quite
>  large regional variations.  But computer programmers like to try and
>  reduce things down to the lowest common denominator.  The two are
>  opposite goals.
>  
>  -- 
>  (Currently testing FC5, but still running FC4, if that's important.)
>  
>  Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.
>  I read messages from the public lists.
>   
I have some experience in translating complex data, which is somewhat
related to the issue of grammar checking.  What occurs is event sequence
and context related, along with the baggage that we humans carry, called
memories.  Thus two people conversing often have differing ideas about
the topic, based upon their own experience and memories, which is then
modified by the event sequence that lead to the
statement/paragraph/topic under discussion.  This in turn is further
refined by the event sequence of the particular conversation and topic,
queried and rectified by questions and answers or statements by the
party(ies) involved.  This also occurs in complex programs, where the
programmer has prior experience (or art as some like to call it), along
with personal coding styles, experience in fixing problems (or working
around them) which is particular to the view of the program and the
familiarity the programmer has with the hardware, software libraries and
tools at his disposal.  Thus if five different programmers are asked to
create a table ot data encoded by color and location, you would get 5
different programs to accomplish that task.  They could all be
equivalent in input and output, but the internalization of the data, the
procedures followed and the methods used to achieve that result would be
different.  Also the appearance of the initial result from each
programmer would likely be different as well, in things like table
representation, dividers, lines or no lines, labels or no lables etc.
etc.  Further it is unlikely that any of the outputs would match your
exact expectations on the first pass. 

Thus even though the topic was understood, the concepts clear and the
desired output known, the output was somewhat non-deterministic.  This
is true of Grammar as well.  

	If, for instance one were to make a speach about Gettysburg in modern
language, one might say:
	Eighty seven years ago, people established America to grant liberty and
justice to everyone equally.  

	Does that say the same thing as:
	Hey man, my great grandpa started this country so I could say this
stuff.

	Or:
	Four score and seven years ago, our fathers brought forth on this
continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the
proposition that all men are created equal. Abrahm Lincoln.

	Perhpas each has the same feeling to the speaker, and even is correct
for the audience, yet the choice of words would be very hard to justify
in a programming context without a lot of background information that
simply is not part of the words being spoken. The historical context,
the nature of the speaker, the nature and background of the audience,
and the requirements of settling an issue divisive to the nation.  A
great task for a man, but one that cannot come (yet) within the
capability of a computer.

	Grammar checkers can do some interesting things, and they can improve
clarity, but they do not make one accomplished in language.  However,
their value for a non-native speaker is considerable.  I have an ex-wife
who is Korean.  It would have been wonderful to have had some better
tools to help us in our relationship.  

	Expectations are simple.  getting something to meet those expectations
is much like correcting grammar, however, Tim, you can certainly add
your skill and knowledge to those attempting this very difficult and
challenging task.  Dr. Kurzweil and others have been working on this for
decades.  Check out the history of Dragon systems.

Regards,
Les H

MS office Under Linux

[Patrick]

Les wrote:

>  <snipped lots of "complex data"> 
>  	Grammar checkers can do some interesting things, and they can
> improve
>  clarity, but they do not make one accomplished in language.  However,
>  their value for a non-native speaker is considerable. 
>  Regards,
>  Les H 
   To jump back into the thread; grammar checkers should not be relied 
upon by non-native speakers for important messages. As has been noted, 
they have questionable value when writing something which is being used 
to promote a professional image. If you are writing emails to a mailing 
list, then they are fine and incorrect language is usually excused. If 
you are writing to a business prospect, then there is no substitute for 
a native speaker checking over your work before sending it out. If our 
company does a presentation utilizing references to another language, I 
always hire one of the local college students who is from that area to 
double-check our work. Being American and dealing mostly with 
businesspeople who speak English, I do not have too much of a problem. 
But if I was in another country trying to woo an English-speaking 
company, you can be sure that relying on Microsoft to correct my 
correspondence is way too much of a gamble for me.

Patrick

MS office Under Linux

[Howard Howell]

On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 21:32 -0500, Patrick wrote:
>  Les wrote:
>  
>  > <snipped lots of "complex data">
>  
>  > 	Grammar checkers can do some interesting things, and they can improve
>  > clarity, but they do not make one accomplished in language.  However,
>  > their value for a non-native speaker is considerable.
>  
>  > Regards,
>  > Les H
>  
>     To jump back into the thread; grammar checkers should not be relied 
>  upon by non-native speakers for important messages. As has been noted, 
>  they have questionable value when writing something which is being used 
>  to promote a professional image. If you are writing emails to a mailing 
>  list, then they are fine and incorrect language is usually excused. If 
>  you are writing to a business prospect, then there is no substitute for 
>  a native speaker checking over your work before sending it out. If our 
>  company does a presentation utilizing references to another language, I 
>  always hire one of the local college students who is from that area to 
>  double-check our work. Being American and dealing mostly with 
>  businesspeople who speak English, I do not have too much of a problem. 
>  But if I was in another country trying to woo an English-speaking 
>  company, you can be sure that relying on Microsoft to correct my 
>  correspondence is way too much of a gamble for me.
>  
>  Patrick
>   
Hi, Patrick,
	There are several levels of communications, among them are publicity,
professional promotion, professional intercourse, professional
interaction, personal interaction, personal, urgent requests for
assistance.  

	The order I have listed them is also IMHO the order of priority for
context and grammar correctness, and should also be tied to cost/effect
relationships.  I believe that the use of grammar checkers satisfies
from personal interaction thorugh urgent requests for assistance.  From
the personal level up, you have to make a tradeoff of the cost in
time/money/effort/reward as you move upward in this chain, from using
local and personal friends reviewing the work to hiring professional
copywriters.  And you are right that from professional interaction up,
the grammar checker should not be relied on as the sole check of grammar
and context.  However as input to the professional checker, using a
grammar checker to help clean up the content can be helpful.  I used my
rough input, one checked by either a grammar checker or a local friend
to input my desires to a professional copy writer, and gave the
professional copywriter both copies along with copious personal
interaction in some cases.  

Note that I did not say that the grammar checker should be the exclusive
process, but only that it had great value.  As to the level of
communications, the very best communications is always written in sixth
or eighth grade level grammar and context.  This is common in the US.
In some communications lowering this to fourth or fifth grade level will
further ensure good comprehension by a larger audience.  However when
doing professional communications you should always employ language
relative to the age and sophistication of the audience.  And remember
that communications is always two ways in person, simplex in letters and
email, and unidirectional in presentations or advertising copy, thus
lowering the bar on technical levels as you go into this last list of
communications.  These things make specifying grammar in the US
difficult, but in some countries, such as Korea (one I am personally
familiar with) there are also issues of gender, generational and
professional status that are an important part of the communications
forms of address and grammar selection.

Regards,
Les H

MS office Under Linux

[Robin Laing]

On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 15:28 +0100, Liloulinx wrote:
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: "Paul Smith" <phhs80(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:51 AM
>  Subject: Re: MS office Under Linux
>  
>  
>  > On 12/26/06, Edward Dekkers <edward(a)tdcs.com.au&gt; wrote:
>  >> > "Crossover Office" is not free.
>  >> > I have tryed to install MS-office with Wine but I encontoured a 
>  >> > problem.
>  >> > Is there any things or an other tool to add in order to solve this 
>  >> > problem.
>  >> > Liloulinx
>  >>
>  >> Two real options if you don't want to pay:
>  >>
>  >> 1> Use OpenOffice instead. There's a reason MS Office won't run
> under
>  >> Linux very well - it wasn't designed for it. I wouldn't hold your
> breath
>  >>   waiting for Microsoft to make a "Microsoft Office for Linux".
>  >>
>  >> 2> Get a virtual machine emulator for Linux, and install Windows and
>  >> Office under that.
>  >
>  > In case you have a fast enough computer and some spare hard disk
>  > space, then use VMware server, which is free and works fine:
>  >
>  > http://www.vmware.com/download/server/
>  >
>  > Paul
>  >
>  
>  Yes I think that I will install VMware. It's very heavy but I haven't the 
>  choice. I need MS-Word because OpenOffice doesn't make a symantic checking.
>  ---
>  Liloulinx 
>   
I think that there is a grammer checker for OOo that you can install in
development.  Check the OOo mail list archive for more info or join the
OOo mail list and ask there.

I used to use a grammer checker in WordPerfect and found that is was
more of a pain and took more time than it was worth.

Difference between the desktop and the server installation

[Liloulinx]

Hi
I want to know if when we upgrade the desktop (client) version of some
distribution (like fedora) to its server version is equivalent to install
directly this server version?
My question relates mainly these 2 points: 1) Security, 2) The capacity of
the machine to answer several web requests.
Thank you
---
Linx

Difference between the desktop and the server installation

[Rick Stevens]

On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 23:18 +0100, Liloulinx wrote:
>  Hi
>  I want to know if when we upgrade the desktop (client) version of some
>  distribution (like fedora) to its server version is equivalent to install
>  directly this server version? 
There really isn't a difference between desktop and server in Fedora.
It rather depends on what you install.

>  My question relates mainly these 2 points: 1) Security, 2) The
> capacity of
>  the machine to answer several web requests. 
If you don't install the desktop stuff (X, Gnome, KDE, etc.) and install
the various server components, then you've got a server instead of a
desktop.  You could install everything, of course.  If you change the
initdefault line in /etc/inittab from:

	id:5:initdefault:

to

	id:3:initdefault:

then the system will boot up to command line mode (NOT GUI mode) and
it'll behave like 90% of the servers out there, but you have the ability
to go to full GUI mode when you want by doing:

	telinit 5

as the root user.

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Difference between the desktop and the server installation

[Michael A. Peters]

On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 14:47 -0800, Rick Stevens wrote:

>  
>  	id:3:initdefault:
>  
>  then the system will boot up to command line mode (NOT GUI mode) and
>  it'll behave like 90% of the servers out there, but you have the ability
>  to go to full GUI mode when you want by doing:
>  
>  	telinit 5
>  
>  as the root user. 
Or as a normal user -

startx

Then you don't have to switch run levels - which you probably don't want
to do on a server (except to switch to run level 1 for maintenance, but
that usually done rarely and only in emergency - and often done by
rebooting the machine into run level 1)

When you use startx - logging out of your desktop/window manager returns
you to the cli.

Difference between the desktop and the server installation

[Tim]

On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 23:18 +0100, Liloulinx wrote:
>  I want to know if when we upgrade the desktop (client) version of
> some
>  distribution (like fedora) to its server version is equivalent to
>  install directly this server version?
>  My question relates mainly these 2 points: 1) Security, 2) The
>  capacity of the machine to answer several web requests. 
Well, up to FC6 (current release), there isn't two different versions.
Those choices just preselect what packages are installed by default.  If
you install the Apache webserver, you get the same Apache webserver,
whether you're starting off with a desktop or server default set of
packages.  Likewise for other choices, you get the same things.

The choices just preselect what some people considered were good
defaults for a server (file serving, web serving, mail, and whatever),
versus what was probabaly good defaults for a desktop box (office
software, mail clients, web browsers, etc.).

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NFS and name of machine

[Liloulinx]

Yes, of course!


>  This is a working example. Might help you debug your condition:
>
>  http://www.computerperceptions.net/nfs/ 
Don't forget to pay attention to the notices about it being insecure
(sharing out from the whole of the root of the directory tree, etc.).

It is an example of some bad practices.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erich Carlson" <computerperceptions(a)coxinet.net&gt;
To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: NFS and name of machine


> On Sat, 2006-11-18 at 10:09 +1030, Tim wrote:
>> On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 18:00 +0100, L A wrote:
>> > I have 2 machines under FC5. I'm trying to configure NFS (Network File
>> > System) between these 2 machines (client=pc006, server=pc005).
>> > So, I have added this in /etc/fstab and in /etc/exports:
>> > /etc/fstab:
>> > #pc005:/home/rep-export         /home/rep-import    nfs    defaults 
>> > 0 0
>> > 192.168.1.5:/home/rep-export    /home/rep-import    nfs    defaults 
>> > 0 0
>> >
>> > /etc/exports:
>> > /home/rep-export    *(rw,no_root_squash)
>> >
>> > ==> When I use in the client the "IP address" of the server, it
works
>> > very fine, but when I put the "name" of the server at the place
of
>> > this IP address it generate this error:
>> >     mount -a
>> >     mount to NFS server "pc005" failled
>>
>  This is a working example. Might help you debug your condition:
>
>  http://www.computerperceptions.net/nfs/ 
>
> erich
>
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NFS and name of machine

[Jeff Vian]

On Sat, 2006-11-18 at 10:09 +1030, Tim wrote:
>  On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 18:00 +0100, L A wrote:
>  > I have 2 machines under FC5. I'm trying to configure NFS (Network File
>  > System) between these 2 machines (client=pc006, server=pc005). 
>  > So, I have added this in /etc/fstab and in /etc/exports:
>  > /etc/fstab:
>  > #pc005:/home/rep-export         /home/rep-import    nfs    defaults    0 0
>  > 192.168.1.5:/home/rep-export    /home/rep-import    nfs    defaults    0 0
>  > 
>  > /etc/exports:
>  > /home/rep-export    *(rw,no_root_squash)
>  > 
>  > ==> When I use in the client the "IP address" of the server, it works
>  > very fine, but when I put the "name" of the server at the place of
>  > this IP address it generate this error:
>  >     mount -a
>  >     mount to NFS server "pc005" failled
>   
I believe that for the hostname to work it must resolve either by being
in the hosts file or by DNS.

So the client would at least need the servers host name in /etc/hosts
with proper IP mapping.
 
>  You've mentioned adding to your hosts file, but have you tried
> adding
>  both machine names to your hosts files, on both PCs?
>  
>  I've not tried using machine names with numbers in them.  I wonder if
>  there's an issue related to that?
>  
>  -- 
>  (Currently testing FC5, but still running FC4, if that's important.)
>  
>  Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.
>  I read messages from the public lists.
>

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 17 November 2006 01:14, Alain PORTAL wrote:
>  But there is no rpm today, there is no tarball, only cvs version ;-)
>  In french in the text "Essuyer les plâtres." :-)
>  
Alain, I told you before that I installed it from atrpms.

http://atrpms.net/dist/fc6/gspca/

If you have atrpms set up and enabled yum will handle it for you.

Anne

[Alain PORTAL]

Le vendredi 17 novembre 2006 10:42, Anne Wilson a écrit :
>  On Friday 17 November 2006 01:14, Alain PORTAL wrote:
>  > But there is no rpm today, there is no tarball, only cvs version ;-)
>  > In french in the text "Essuyer les plâtres." :-)
>
>  Alain, I told you before that I installed it from atrpms.
>
>  http://atrpms.net/dist/fc6/gspca/
>
>  If you have atrpms set up and enabled yum will handle it for you. 
I was talking about the uvcvideo module (http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/)
The gspca maintener told me that I have to take this module.

Alain
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[Eric Tanguy]

Le jeudi 16 novembre 2006 à 02:10 +0100, Alain PORTAL a écrit :
>  Hi,
>  
>  Can somebody tell me how is created this device?
>  
>  When I'm connecting my webcam, nothing happends but in messages.log:
>  
>  kernel: usb 4-1.4: USB disconnect, address 3
>  kernel: usb 4-1.4: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4
>  kernel: usb 4-1.4: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub
>  kernel: usb 4-1.4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
>  kernel: 4:3:1: cannot set freq 0 to ep 0x86
>  kernel: 4:3:2: cannot set freq 0 to ep 0x86
>  
>  When I load the module ("modprobe gspca"), new in messages.log:
>  kernel: usbcore: registered new driver gspca
>  kernel: /var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/gspca_core.c: gspca driver 
>  01.00.04
>  
>  And always no /dev/video0
>  
>  I create it ("mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0; chmod go+wr /dev/video0"), verify
>  
>  [root@lns-bzn-59-82-252-142-2 ~]# ls -l /dev/video0
>  crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 81, 0 nov 16 01:45 /dev/video0
>  
>  and run an application
>  
>  [root@lns-bzn-59-82-252-142-2 ~]# xawtv
>  This is xawtv-3.95, running on Linux/i686 (2.6.18-1.2239.fc5)
>  WARNING: v4l-conf is compiled without DGA support.
>  can't open /dev/video0: No such device
>  v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway
>  v4l2: open /dev/video0: Aucun périphérique de ce type
>  v4l2: open /dev/video0: Aucun périphérique de ce type
>  v4l: open /dev/video0: Aucun périphérique de ce type
>  no video grabber device available
>  
>  Where is the problem?
>  
>  I'm loosing my hair...
>   
The device is automatically created if the driver recognize the device.
If i do dmesg | grep gspca : 
gspca: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.
/var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/gspca_core.c: USB SPCA5XX
camera found.(ZC3XX) 
/var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/gspca_core.c:
[spca5xx_probe:3885] Camera type JPEG 
/var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/Vimicro/zc3xx.h:
[zc3xx_config:515] Sensor ID:10
/var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/Vimicro/zc3xx.h:
[zc3xx_config:587] Find Sensor PAS106
/var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/gspca_core.c:
[spca5xx_getcapability:1163] maxw 352 maxh 288 minw 176 minh 144
usbcore: registered new driver gspca
/var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/gspca_core.c: gspca driver
01.00.04 registered

Perhaps also the device created is not /dev/vodeo0 but /dev/videoX. For
me the device change at every reboot because i have also a tv card and
the first one get /dev/video0, the second /dev/video1 and so on...

Hope this will help you.

Eric

[Alain PORTAL]

Hi,

Le jeudi 16 novembre 2006 08:45, Tanguy Eric a écrit :

>  > When I load the module ("modprobe gspca"), new in
> messages.log:
>  > kernel: usbcore: registered new driver gspca
>  > kernel: /var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/gspca_core.c: gspca
>  > driver 01.00.04 
>  The device is automatically created if the driver recognize the
> device.
>  If i do dmesg | grep gspca :
>  gspca: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.
>  /var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/gspca_core.c: USB SPCA5XX
>  camera found.(ZC3XX)
>  /var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/gspca_core.c:
>  [spca5xx_probe:3885] Camera type JPEG
>  /var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/Vimicro/zc3xx.h:
>  [zc3xx_config:515] Sensor ID:10
>  /var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/Vimicro/zc3xx.h:
>  [zc3xx_config:587] Find Sensor PAS106
>  /var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/gspca_core.c:
>  [spca5xx_getcapability:1163] maxw 352 maxh 288 minw 176 minh 144
>  usbcore: registered new driver gspca
>  /var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/gspca_core.c: gspca driver
>  01.00.04 registered 
So, I have to understand that the driver don't recognize my cam....

>  Perhaps also the device created is not /dev/vodeo0 but /dev/videoX.
> For
>  me the device change at every reboot because i have also a tv card and
>  the first one get /dev/video0, the second /dev/video1 and so on... 
I have only one video device, and none /dev/video*

Regards,
Alain
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[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 16 November 2006 12:59, Alain PORTAL wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  Le jeudi 16 novembre 2006 08:45, Tanguy Eric a écrit :
>  > > When I load the module ("modprobe gspca"), new in messages.log:
>  > > kernel: usbcore: registered new driver gspca
>  > > kernel: /var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/gspca_core.c: gspca
>  > > driver 01.00.04
>  >
>  > The device is automatically created if the driver recognize the device.
>  > If i do dmesg | grep gspca :
>  > gspca: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.
>  > /var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/gspca_core.c: USB SPCA5XX
>  > camera found.(ZC3XX) 
                 ^^^^^^^
>  > /var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/gspca_core.c:
>  > [spca5xx_probe:3885] Camera type JPEG
>  > /var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/Vimicro/zc3xx.h:
>  > [zc3xx_config:515] Sensor ID:10
>  > /var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/Vimicro/zc3xx.h:
>  > [zc3xx_config:587] Find Sensor PAS106
>  > /var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/gspca_core.c:
>  > [spca5xx_getcapability:1163] maxw 352 maxh 288 minw 176 minh 144
>  > usbcore: registered new driver gspca
>  > /var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/gspcav1-20060925/gspca_core.c: gspca driver
>  > 01.00.04 registered
>
>  So, I have to understand that the driver don't recognize my cam....
>  
It looks to me as though it did.

>  > Perhaps also the device created is not /dev/vodeo0 but
> /dev/videoX. For
>  > me the device change at every reboot because i have also a tv card and
>  > the first one get /dev/video0, the second /dev/video1 and so on...
>
>  I have only one video device, and none /dev/video*
>  
Hmm - and does opening ekiga or kopete from a terminal not give any messages?

Anne

[Alain PORTAL]

Le jeudi 16 novembre 2006 13:49, Anne Wilson a écrit :

>  > I have only one video device, and none /dev/video*
>
>  Hmm - and does opening ekiga or kopete from a terminal not give any
>  messages? 
No message with kopete.
When I go in Setup->Devices->Device, there is nothing in the list.

Regards,
Alain
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[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 16 November 2006 13:28, Alain PORTAL wrote:
>  Le jeudi 16 novembre 2006 13:49, Anne Wilson a écrit :
>  > > I have only one video device, and none /dev/video*
>  >
>  > Hmm - and does opening ekiga or kopete from a terminal not give any
>  > messages?
>
>  No message with kopete.
>  When I go in Setup->Devices->Device, there is nothing in the list.
>
>  Regards,
>  Alain
>  
Did you start it from a terminal?  That usually gives you messages while it is 
working.

Anne

[Alain PORTAL]

Le jeudi 16 novembre 2006 14:23, Anne Wilson a écrit :
>  On Thursday 16 November 2006 13:28, Alain PORTAL wrote:
>  > Le jeudi 16 novembre 2006 13:49, Anne Wilson a écrit :
>  > > > I have only one video device, and none /dev/video*
>  > >
>  > > Hmm - and does opening ekiga or kopete from a terminal not give any
>  > > messages?
>  >
>  > No message with kopete.
>  > When I go in Setup->Devices->Device, there is nothing in the list.
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  > Alain
>
>  Did you start it from a terminal? 
Yes of course ;-)

>  That usually gives you messages while it 
>  is working. 
No message, but I never use kopete, so there is no setup.

Regards,
Alain
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[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 16 November 2006 13:53, Alain PORTAL wrote:
>  Le jeudi 16 novembre 2006 14:23, Anne Wilson a écrit :
>  > On Thursday 16 November 2006 13:28, Alain PORTAL wrote:
>  > > Le jeudi 16 novembre 2006 13:49, Anne Wilson a écrit :
>  > > > > I have only one video device, and none /dev/video*
>  > > >
>  > > > Hmm - and does opening ekiga or kopete from a terminal not give any
>  > > > messages?
>  > >
>  > > No message with kopete.
>  > > When I go in Setup->Devices->Device, there is nothing in the list.
>  > >
>  > > Regards,
>  > > Alain
>  >
>  > Did you start it from a terminal?
>
>  Yes of course ;-)
>
>  > That usually gives you messages while it
>  > is working.
>
>  No message, but I never use kopete, so there is no setup.
>  
You are going to have to run something to use with the webcam, and whatever 
you choose you will need to run some setup or config option, or how will it 
find your camera?  When I had problems I did find that running the various 
video apps from a terminal brought me some clues.

Anne

[Alain PORTAL]

Le jeudi 16 novembre 2006 15:18, Anne Wilson a écrit :

>  > No message, but I never use kopete, so there is no setup.
>
>  You are going to have to run something to use with the webcam, and whatever
>  you choose you will need to run some setup or config option, or how will it
>  find your camera?  When I had problems I did find that running the various
>  video apps from a terminal brought me some clues. 
I ran camstream, xawtv, spcaview, spcagui and others but all failed because 
they didn't found /dev/video*

Regards,
Alain
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[Ric Moore]

On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 15:44 +0100, Alain PORTAL wrote:
>  Le jeudi 16 novembre 2006 15:18, Anne Wilson a écrit :
>  
>  > > No message, but I never use kopete, so there is no setup.
>  >
>  > You are going to have to run something to use with the webcam, and whatever
>  > you choose you will need to run some setup or config option, or how will it
>  > find your camera?  When I had problems I did find that running the various
>  > video apps from a terminal brought me some clues.
>  
>  I ran camstream, xawtv, spcaview, spcagui and others but all failed because 
>  they didn't found /dev/video* 
right, but did you use the right package yet?
spca won't work. Ric

[Alain PORTAL]

Le jeudi 16 novembre 2006 15:59, Ric Moore a écrit :

>  > I ran camstream, xawtv, spcaview, spcagui and others but all
> failed
>  > because they didn't found /dev/video*
>
>  right, but did you use the right package yet? spca won't work. Ric 
I use gspca1

Regards,
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