Systemd Freezing on NetworkManager or Display Manager

[Mark Bidewell]

I am using Fedora 19 on older hardware, and about half the time systemd
freezes on boot.  Typically the console messaging is pointing at Network
Manager but occasionally kdm or gdm.  I can switch to another console and
log in and network is up and I can enter X.

Any ideas how to debug this?

Thanks

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Mark Bidewell
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[Rex Dieter]

Mark Bidewell wrote:

>  On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Rex Dieter
> <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote: 
> > Probably the same problem, slower boots causing service timeouts
> all
> > over. 
>  Thanks do you know if any progress is being made on the performance
>  issues? 
Yes, (generally) tracked here:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1006386

-- Rex

[Rex Dieter]

Ron Yorston wrote:

>  Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote:
> >Mark Bidewell wrote:
> >
> >> I am using Fedora 19 on older hardware, and about half the time systemd
> >> freezes on boot.  Typically the console messaging is pointing at Network
> >> Manager but occasionally kdm or gdm.  I can switch to another console
> >> and log in and network is up and I can enter X.
> >> 
> >> Any ideas how to debug this?
> >
> >You might be hitting this,
> >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=967521
>  
>  Or possibly this:
>  
>     https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1013867 
Probably the same problem, slower boots causing service timeouts all over.

-- rex

[Ron Yorston]

Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote:
> Mark Bidewell wrote:
>
> > I am using Fedora 19 on older hardware, and about half the time systemd
> > freezes on boot.  Typically the console messaging is pointing at Network
> > Manager but occasionally kdm or gdm.  I can switch to another console and
> > log in and network is up and I can enter X.
> > 
> > Any ideas how to debug this?
>
> You might be hitting this,
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=967521 
Or possibly this:

   https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1013867

Ron

[Mark Bidewell]

For some reason it never registered that the "OK" is on the left now.
 There is an "OK" after network manager, but the behavior seems different
after the latest updates.  I wonder if its a GDM vs KDM issue.  KDM seems
to start earlier in the boot process than GDM.  GDM does seem more reliable.


On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Joe Zeff <joe(a)zeff.us&gt; wrote:

>  On 11/08/2013 04:49 PM, Mark Bidewell wrote:
>
> > I will double check the status, but I don't believe one is printed.  I
> > checked /var/log/messages  And the is a message about being on IPv6 set
> > 4 of 5.  but ip addr show lists both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses.
> >
>
>  Generally, when you're booting, you'll see either [OK] or [Failed] at the
>  end of each line as the various services start.  If it hangs without
>  either, that's probably where the trouble is.
>
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[Mark Bidewell]

I will double check the status, but I don't believe one is printed.  I
checked /var/log/messages  And the is a message about being on IPv6 set 4
of 5.  but ip addr show lists both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses.


On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Joe Zeff <joe(a)zeff.us&gt; wrote:

>  On 11/08/2013 04:34 PM, Mark Bidewell wrote:
>
> > Generally, "Starting Network Manager".
> >
>
>  Thanx.  The reason I ask is that I've seen things like this pop up before
>  on web forums, and sometimes the last line quoted ends with [OK] meaning,
>  of course, that whatever starts *next* is what's causing the hangup, and
>  the problem becomes figuring out what that is.  Now, at least, we've got
>  that out of the way.
>
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[Joe Zeff]

On 11/08/2013 04:34 PM, Mark Bidewell wrote:
>  Generally, "Starting Network Manager". 
Thanx.  The reason I ask is that I've seen things like this pop up 
before on web forums, and sometimes the last line quoted ends with [OK] 
meaning, of course, that whatever starts *next* is what's causing the 
hangup, and the problem becomes figuring out what that is.  Now, at 
least, we've got that out of the way.

[Mark Bidewell]

Generally, "Starting Network Manager".


On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Joe Zeff <joe(a)zeff.us&gt; wrote:

>  On 11/08/2013 04:25 PM, Mark Bidewell wrote:
>
> > Any ideas how to debug this?
> >
>
>  When this happens, what is the very last message on the main screen?
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[Joe Zeff]

On 11/08/2013 04:25 PM, Mark Bidewell wrote:
>  Any ideas how to debug this? 
When this happens, what is the very last message on the main screen?

[Mark Bidewell]

On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote:

>  Ron Yorston wrote:
>
>  > Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote:
>  >>Mark Bidewell wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> I am using Fedora 19 on older hardware, and about half the time systemd
>  >>> freezes on boot.  Typically the console messaging is pointing at
>  Network
>  >>> Manager but occasionally kdm or gdm.  I can switch to another console
>  >>> and log in and network is up and I can enter X.
>  >>>
>  >>> Any ideas how to debug this?
>  >>
>  >>You might be hitting this,
>  >>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=967521
>  >
>  > Or possibly this:
>  >
>  >    https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1013867
>
>  Probably the same problem, slower boots causing service timeouts all over.
>
>  -- rex
>
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Thanks do you know if any progress is being made on the performance issues?

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[Klaus-Peter Schrage]

Am 10.11.2013 15:44, schrieb Rex Dieter:
>  Mark Bidewell wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote:
>
> >> Probably the same problem, slower boots causing service timeouts all
> >> over.
>
> > Thanks do you know if any progress is being made on the performance
> > issues?
>
>  Yes, (generally) tracked here:
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1006386 
Thanks, that is probably what struck me when writing this message:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-October/441928.html
which was left unanswered (perhaps due to not pointing out clearly 
enaugh what the problem was).
KP

[Rex Dieter]

Mark Bidewell wrote:

>  I am using Fedora 19 on older hardware, and about half the time
> systemd
>  freezes on boot.  Typically the console messaging is pointing at Network
>  Manager but occasionally kdm or gdm.  I can switch to another console and
>  log in and network is up and I can enter X.
>  
>  Any ideas how to debug this? 
You might be hitting this,
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=967521


-- Rex

[Joe Zeff]

On 11/08/2013 04:49 PM, Mark Bidewell wrote:
>  I will double check the status, but I don't believe one is
> printed.  I
>  checked /var/log/messages  And the is a message about being on IPv6 set
>  4 of 5.  but ip addr show lists both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses. 
Generally, when you're booting, you'll see either [OK] or [Failed] at 
the end of each line as the various services start.  If it hangs without 
either, that's probably where the trouble is.