Hi,
I have shifted to KDE from GNOME in Fedora using :
dnf install @kde-desktop
and uninstalled GNOME using:
dnf remove @gnome-desktop
Now common sense says that I should not be able to use GNOME any more.
*But,*
*I can seemingly log into GNOME from SDDM. *
The option still works, how ??
How is this possible?
*Does SDDM emulate GNOME ? Or did I not remove it from my system ?*
Can someone shed some light on this weirdness ?
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 09:35:38PM +0530, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
Hi,
I have shifted to KDE from GNOME in Fedora using :
dnf install @kde-desktop
and uninstalled GNOME using:
dnf remove @gnome-desktop
Now common sense says that I should not be able to use GNOME any more.
*But,*
*I can seemingly log into GNOME from SDDM. *
The option still works, how ??
How is this possible?
*Does SDDM emulate GNOME ? Or did I not remove it from my system ?*
Can someone shed some light on this weirdness ?
You are seeing gnome-shell launched as part of the gnome-session package, which are probably both installed.
'dnf remove @gnome-desktop' doesn't remove gnome-session or gnome-shell packages. Group remove only removes packages that don't already belong to another dnf group or weren't installed explicitly by the user (the latter of which is probably happened in anaconda).
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 9:47 PM Jonathan Billings billings@negate.org wrote:
You are seeing gnome-shell launched as part of the gnome-session package, which are probably both installed.
'dnf remove @gnome-desktop' doesn't remove gnome-session or gnome-shell packages. Group remove only removes packages that don't already belong to another dnf group or weren't installed explicitly by the user (the latter of which is probably happened in anaconda).
So if I wanted to remove GNOME for good, how would I do that ?
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 09:52:47PM +0530, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 9:47 PM Jonathan Billings billings@negate.org wrote:
You are seeing gnome-shell launched as part of the gnome-session package, which are probably both installed.
'dnf remove @gnome-desktop' doesn't remove gnome-session or gnome-shell packages. Group remove only removes packages that don't already belong to another dnf group or weren't installed explicitly by the user (the latter of which is probably happened in anaconda).
So if I wanted to remove GNOME for good, how would I do that ?
If you are using Fedora Workstation, you can't. gnome-shell is a protected package, and the definition of that is defined by the fedora-release-identity-workstation package.
If you replace that with fedora-release-identity-kde, you'd probably have better luck.
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 10:02 PM Jonathan Billings billings@negate.org wrote:
If you are using Fedora Workstation, you can't. gnome-shell is a protected package, and the definition of that is defined by the fedora-release-identity-workstation package.
Sorry for my ignorance but what are protected packages ?
If you replace that with fedora-release-identity-kde, you'd probably
have better luck.
And could you elaborate on what you meant by this ?
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 10:05:44PM +0530, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 10:02 PM Jonathan Billings billings@negate.org wrote:
If you are using Fedora Workstation, you can't. gnome-shell is a protected package, and the definition of that is defined by the fedora-release-identity-workstation package.
Sorry for my ignorance but what are protected packages ?
https://dnf.readthedocs.io/en/latest/conf_ref.html
protected_packages
List of packages that DNF should never completely remove. They are protected via Obsoletes as well as user/plugin removals.
The default is: dnf, glob:/etc/yum/protected.d/*.conf and glob:/etc/dnf/protected.d/*.conf. So any packages which should be protected can do so by including a file in /etc/dnf/protected.d with their package name in it.
DNF will protect also the package corresponding to the running version of the kernel. See also protect_running_kernel option.
The fedora-release-package-identity-workstation package has:
/etc/dnf/protected.d/gnome-shell.conf
... which has 'gnome-shell' in it.
If you replace that with fedora-release-identity-kde, you'd probably have better luck.
And could you elaborate on what you meant by this ?
If you have Fedora Workstation installed, you have the 'fedora-release-workstation' package installed, which has 'fedora-release-identity-workstation' as a requirement. You'd need to swap it out for fedora-release-kde, which you could do with this:
sudo dnf swap fedora-release-workstation fedora-release-kde
I'm not sure if Fedora has documented changing from one kind of fedora to another.
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 10:17 PM Jonathan Billings billings@negate.org wrote:
If you have Fedora Workstation installed, you have the 'fedora-release-workstation' package installed, which has 'fedora-release-identity-workstation' as a requirement. You'd need to swap it out for fedora-release-kde, which you could do with this:
sudo dnf swap fedora-release-workstation fedora-release-kde
Ok, I get what protected packages are now, but I am confused as to what ' fedora-release-workstation ' represents.
Is it a software component ? Like if I want ssh I would do something like :
dnf install ssh
This would install the SSH package on my system.
But what does " fedora-release-workstation " represent ? Is a software component or is it a group of components ? If it is a group why not just make it a dnf group ?
I'm not sure if Fedora has documented changing from one kind of fedora to another.
So just for the sake of argument you are saying that if I wanted to use
the KDE version of Fedora I can swap "fedora-release-workstation" for " fedora-release-kde ".
How would I download all the KDE packages and set it up ? Would it happen automatically ?
Interesting stuff.
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 10:32:16PM +0530, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 10:17 PM Jonathan Billings billings@negate.org wrote:
If you have Fedora Workstation installed, you have the 'fedora-release-workstation' package installed, which has 'fedora-release-identity-workstation' as a requirement. You'd need to swap it out for fedora-release-kde, which you could do with this:
sudo dnf swap fedora-release-workstation fedora-release-kde
Ok, I get what protected packages are now, but I am confused as to what ' fedora-release-workstation ' represents.
Is it a software component ? Like if I want ssh I would do something like :
dnf install ssh
This would install the SSH package on my system.
But what does " fedora-release-workstation " represent ? Is a software component or is it a group of components ? If it is a group why not just make it a dnf group ?
The 'fedora-release-*' packages are the base packges for different default configurations, like Workstation, Server, XFCE, MATEcompiz, etc. They provide no files, just bring in dependencies. In a way, they're like dnf groups, but they use the RPM database for managing the group of packages, not DNF repository group metadata. You can only have one 'release' installed at a time since they conflict with each other.
You'd have to ask the Fedora core maintainers as to why there are so many different ways to maintain groups of packages. dnf modularity is another one, to further muddy the water.
I'm not sure if Fedora has documented changing from one kind of fedora to another.
So just for the sake of argument you are saying that if I wanted to use
the KDE version of Fedora I can swap "fedora-release-workstation" for " fedora-release-kde ".
How would I download all the KDE packages and set it up ? Would it happen automatically ?
I don't know, I have never used KDE.
On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:47 AM Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
sudo dnf group install KDE
How is that even possible ?
There is no such group as KDE.
When I do :
dnf -v grouplist
These are the available groups:
3D Printing (3d-printing) Audio Production (audio) Books and Guides (books) Cloud Infrastructure (cloud-infrastructure) Cloud Management Tools (cloud-management) Compiz (compiz) Design Suite (design-suite) Domain Membership (domain-client) Fedora Eclipse (eclipse) Educational Software (education) Electronic Lab (electronic-lab) Engineering and Scientific (engineering-and-scientific) FreeIPA Server (freeipa-server) MATE Applications (mate-applications) Medical Applications (medical) Milkymist (milkymist) Neuron Modelling Simulators (neuron-modelling-simulators) Python Classroom (python-classroom) Python Science (python-science) Robotics (robotics-suite) Security Lab (security-lab) Text-based Internet (text-internet) Deepin Desktop Environment (deepin-desktop) GNOME Desktop Environment (gnome-desktop) Graphical Internet (graphical-internet) Games and Entertainment (games)
I have KDE desktop environment as installed:
Installed Environment Groups: Fedora Workstation (workstation-product-environment) KDE Plasma Workspaces (kde-desktop-environment)
What am I doing wrong ?
On Wed, 2020-11-18 at 15:47 +0530, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:47 AM Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
sudo dnf group install KDE
How is that even possible ?
There is no such group as KDE.
When I do :
dnf -v grouplist
These are the available groups:
3D Printing (3d-printing) Audio Production (audio) Books and Guides (books) Cloud Infrastructure (cloud-infrastructure) Cloud Management Tools (cloud-management) Compiz (compiz) Design Suite (design-suite) Domain Membership (domain-client) Fedora Eclipse (eclipse) Educational Software (education) Electronic Lab (electronic-lab) Engineering and Scientific (engineering-and-scientific) FreeIPA Server (freeipa-server) MATE Applications (mate-applications) Medical Applications (medical) Milkymist (milkymist) Neuron Modelling Simulators (neuron-modelling-simulators) Python Classroom (python-classroom) Python Science (python-science) Robotics (robotics-suite) Security Lab (security-lab) Text-based Internet (text-internet) Deepin Desktop Environment (deepin-desktop) GNOME Desktop Environment (gnome-desktop) Graphical Internet (graphical-internet) Games and Entertainment (games)
I have KDE desktop environment as installed:
Installed Environment Groups: Fedora Workstation (workstation-product-environment) KDE Plasma Workspaces (kde-desktop-environment)
Did you try it? This is what I get:
$ sudo dnf group install KDE [...] Package Architecture Version Repository Size ==================================================================== ==================================================================== ==================================================================== ===== Installing Groups: KDE (K Desktop Environment)
Transaction Summary ==================================================================== ==================================================================== ==================================================================== =====
Is this ok [y/N]:
poc
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 4:30 PM Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
Did you try it? This is what I get:
$ sudo dnf group install KDE [...] Package Architecture Version Repository Size ==================================================================== ==================================================================== ==================================================================== ===== Installing Groups: KDE (K Desktop Environment)
Transaction Summary
====================================================================
=====
Is this ok [y/N]:
Ok, it seems
sudo dnf group install KDE
is the same as
sudo dnf group install @kde-desktop which I used.
KDE is still not working perfectly since I have a problem with VMs that I have started another thread for.
I have even done
sudo dnf swap -y fedora-release-workstation fedora-release-kde
No change.
On Wed, 2020-11-18 at 23:00 +0530, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 4:30 PM Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
Did you try it? This is what I get:
$ sudo dnf group install KDE [...] Package Architecture Version Repository Size ================================================================== == ================================================================== == ================================================================== == ===== Installing Groups: KDE (K Desktop Environment)
Transaction Summary ================================================================== == ================================================================== == ================================================================== == =====
Is this ok [y/N]:
Ok, it seems
sudo dnf group install KDE
is the same as
sudo dnf group install @kde-desktop which I used.
KDE is still not working perfectly since I have a problem with VMs that I have started another thread for.
I have even done
sudo dnf swap -y fedora-release-workstation fedora-release-kde
No change.
When you boot up system and got GDM login screen once you select user to put password will show ⚙️ in right bottom screen where you can chose plasma DE
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