TB 38.1.0: The list of available search engines is limited, and provides no way for the user to add other search engines.
On 08/11/15 15:10, jd1008 wrote:
TB 38.1.0: The list of available search engines is limited, and provides no way for the user to add other search engines.
I wasn't aware that Thunderbird had *any* search engines....
Edit -> Preferences -> General Tab
On 08/11/2015 01:12 PM, Kevin Cummings wrote:
On 08/11/15 15:10, jd1008 wrote:
TB 38.1.0: The list of available search engines is limited, and provides no way for the user to add other search engines.
I wasn't aware that Thunderbird had *any* search engines....
On 08/11/2015 02:22 PM, jd1008 wrote:
Edit -> Preferences -> General Tab
On 08/11/2015 01:12 PM, Kevin Cummings wrote:
On 08/11/15 15:10, jd1008 wrote:
TB 38.1.0: The list of available search engines is limited, and provides no way for the user to add other search engines.
I wasn't aware that Thunderbird had *any* search engines....
This isn't a Fedora issue... you might check in the Mozilla forums.
On 08/11/2015 01:50 PM, SternData wrote:
On 08/11/2015 02:22 PM, jd1008 wrote:
Edit -> Preferences -> General Tab
On 08/11/2015 01:12 PM, Kevin Cummings wrote:
On 08/11/15 15:10, jd1008 wrote:
TB 38.1.0: The list of available search engines is limited, and provides no way for the user to add other search engines.
I wasn't aware that Thunderbird had *any* search engines....
This isn't a Fedora issue... you might check in the Mozilla forums.
Forums?? What a pain!!! TB and FF refuse to create a miling list such as this one.
On 08/11/15 14:10, jd1008 wrote:
TB 38.1.0: The list of available search engines is limited, and provides no way for the user to add other search engines.
Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> General Tab -> [Config Editor]
in about:config window;
Search: search
you will/should see;
Preference Name browser.search.defaultenginename browser.search.order.1 browser.search.order.2 browser.search.order.3
where you set what you want for search engine by double clicking preference line you want to change. a window will pop up with name of preference and and an entry line. change as desired.
if you want more, right clicking on any line will pop up, a 'Modify' window, click 'New', select 'String'.
in 'New string value' window, enter name as;
browser.search.order.x
[ 'x' is next number of order. i do not know what the ] [ limit is. you will have to play with that yourself. ]
click [OK], in 'Enter string value' window, enter http/s address for desired search engine.
On 08/11/15 14:57, jd1008 wrote: <<>>
Forums?? What a pain!!! TB and FF refuse to create a miling list such as this one.
wrong. mozilla has both 'email list' and 'news group' support.
their is a pain tho. his name is chris iliass. ;-)
On 08/11/2015 02:03 PM, g wrote:
On 08/11/15 14:57, jd1008 wrote: <<>>
Forums?? What a pain!!! TB and FF refuse to create a miling list such as this one.
wrong. mozilla has both 'email list' and 'news group' support.
their is a pain tho. his name is chris iliass. ;-)
Indeed I have run into mr. ilias before and simply could not register to the list. Has to do with receiving confirmation, which never comes.
On 08/11/15 15:13, jd1008 wrote:
On 08/11/2015 02:03 PM, g wrote:
On 08/11/15 14:57, jd1008 wrote: <<>>
Forums?? What a pain!!! TB and FF refuse to create a miling list such as this one.
wrong. mozilla has both 'email list' and 'news group' support.
their is a pain tho. his name is chris iliass. ;-)
Indeed I have run into mr. ilias before and simply could not register to the list. Has to do with receiving confirmation, which never comes.
you spelled his name wrong. ;-)
On 08/11/2015 01:58 PM, g wrote:
On 08/11/15 14:10, jd1008 wrote:
TB 38.1.0: The list of available search engines is limited, and provides no way for the user to add other search engines.
Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> General Tab -> [Config Editor]
in about:config window;
Search: searchyou will/should see;
Preference Name browser.search.defaultenginename browser.search.order.1 browser.search.order.2 browser.search.order.3
where you set what you want for search engine by double clicking preference line you want to change. a window will pop up with name of preference and and an entry line. change as desired.
if you want more, right clicking on any line will pop up, a 'Modify' window, click 'New', select 'String'.
in 'New string value' window, enter name as;
browser.search.order.x
[ 'x' is next number of order. i do not know what the ] [ limit is. you will have to play with that yourself. ]
click [OK], in 'Enter string value' window, enter http/s address for desired search engine.
I did that, but it still does snot take effect even after restarting.
See the config page's settings for search:
//www.sendspace.com/file/v2lgec
On 08/11/15 16:01, jd1008 wrote:
On 08/11/2015 01:58 PM, g wrote:
On 08/11/15 14:10, jd1008 wrote:
TB 38.1.0: The list of available search engines is limited, and provides no way for the user to add other search engines.
Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> General Tab -> [Config Editor]
in about:config window;
Search: searchyou will/should see;
Preference Name browser.search.defaultenginename browser.search.order.1 browser.search.order.2 browser.search.order.3
where you set what you want for search engine by double clicking preference line you want to change. a window will pop up with name of preference and and an entry line. change as desired.
if you want more, right clicking on any line will pop up, a 'Modify' window, click 'New', select 'String'.
in 'New string value' window, enter name as;
browser.search.order.x
[ 'x' is next number of order. i do not know what the ] [ limit is. you will have to play with that yourself. ]
click [OK], in 'Enter string value' window, enter http/s address for desired search engine.
I did that, but it still does snot take effect even after restarting.
See the config page's settings for search:
//www.sendspace.com/file/v2lgec
try entering *complete* _http_ / _https_ address. _not_ just engine name.
also, if does not work, enter word search in "Search:" bar and with search direction pointing down so i can compare to mine easier. ty.
On 08/11/2015 04:13 PM, g wrote:
On 08/11/15 16:01, jd1008 wrote:
On 08/11/2015 01:58 PM, g wrote:
On 08/11/15 14:10, jd1008 wrote:
TB 38.1.0: The list of available search engines is limited, and provides no way for the user to add other search engines.
Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> General Tab -> [Config Editor]in about:config window;
Search: searchyou will/should see;
Preference Name browser.search.defaultenginename browser.search.order.1 browser.search.order.2 browser.search.order.3where you set what you want for search engine by double clicking preference line you want to change. a window will pop up with name of preference and and an entry line. change as desired.
if you want more, right clicking on any line will pop up, a 'Modify' window, click 'New', select 'String'.
in 'New string value' window, enter name as;
browser.search.order.x [ 'x' is next number of order. i do not know what the ] [ limit is. you will have to play with that yourself. ]click [OK], in 'Enter string value' window, enter http/s address for desired search engine.
I did that, but it still does snot take effect even after restarting.
See the config page's settings for search:
//www.sendspace.com/file/v2lgec
try entering *complete* _http_ / _https_ address. _not_ just engine name.
also, if does not work, enter word search in "Search:" bar and with search direction pointing down so i can compare to mine easier. ty.
Did that, and again it does not change the search engine in the main General tab. See https://www.sendspace.com/file/qzpkw9
On 08/12/15 03:10, jd1008 wrote:
The list of available search engines is limited, and provides no way for the user to add other search engines.
Seems like you want to add google.
Well, just use google to find....
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/open-search#w_how-to-add-google-to-the-...
On 08/11/15 20:28, jd1008 wrote:
On 08/11/2015 04:13 PM, g wrote:
<<>>
try entering *complete* _http_ / _https_ address. _not_ just engine name.
also, if does not work, enter word search in "Search:" bar and with search direction pointing down so i can compare to mine easier. ty.
Did that, and again it does not change the search engine in the main General tab. See https://www.sendspace.com/file/qzpkw9
ok.
3 problems:
#1 "What we have here is failure to communicate." #2 "What we have here is difference between 'about:config'." #3 "What we have here is one hell of a lot of changes at Mozilla.org."
3 solutions:
#1 hopeless. you missed paragraph starting with "also,". not a problem as i was able to zoom your snapshot to read what your 'about:config' showed for 'browser', tho i _also_ wanted to see what you had for word *search*. my bad because i failed to accent "enter word *search* in "Search:" bar". :-)
#2 not that big of a problem, your extras are not important.
#3 because of changes at Mozilla.org, i need to run some new searches at Mozilla.org to see where they now have what you need to do to get your search engines "running on all 8".
comment:
i found a new page that tells about search engines and it appears that there have been some changes. i believe you are going to have to add a plugin or two, not sure where they are, so it will take some time to find where moz .org has moved rest of info. therefore, i do not believe i can find everything in a short time.
possibly another reader may have already been thru this and can give you a quick answer.
On 08/11/15 21:31, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 08/12/15 03:10, jd1008 wrote:
The list of available search engines is limited, and provides no way for the user to add other search engines.
Seems like you want to add google.
Well, just use google to find....
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/open-search#w_how-to-add-google-to-the-...
thank you Ed. you just saved me a lot of time. :-)
On 08/11/2015 09:18 PM, g wrote:
On 08/11/15 20:28, jd1008 wrote:
On 08/11/2015 04:13 PM, g wrote:
<<>>
try entering *complete* _http_ / _https_ address. _not_ just engine name.
also, if does not work, enter word search in "Search:" bar and with search direction pointing down so i can compare to mine easier. ty.
Did that, and again it does not change the search engine in the main General tab. See https://www.sendspace.com/file/qzpkw9
ok.
3 problems:
#1 "What we have here is failure to communicate." #2 "What we have here is difference between 'about:config'." #3 "What we have here is one hell of a lot of changes at Mozilla.org."
3 solutions:
#1 hopeless. you missed paragraph starting with "also,". not a problem as i was able to zoom your snapshot to read what your 'about:config' showed for 'browser', tho i _also_ wanted to see what you had for word *search*. my bad because i failed to accent "enter word *search* in "Search:" bar". :-)
#2 not that big of a problem, your extras are not important.
#3 because of changes at Mozilla.org, i need to run some new searches at Mozilla.org to see where they now have what you need to do to get your search engines "running on all 8".
comment:
i found a new page that tells about search engines and it appears that there have been some changes. i believe you are going to have to add a plugin or two, not sure where they are, so it will take some time to find where moz .org has moved rest of info. therefore, i do not believe i can find everything in a short time.
possibly another reader may have already been thru this and can give you a quick answer.
Well, issue is with TB. Not with Google. They have effectively rendered TB's about:config , at least wrt default search, a NOP.
On 08/12/15 10:48, jd1008 wrote: <<>>
Well, issue is with TB. Not with Google.
such is that i understand.
They have effectively rendered TB's about:config , at least wrt default search, a NOP.
hey, when one chases one's ass to keep up with competition, one tends to run in a circle of crap. ;-)
read the link Ed G. provided. it is the new page i was going to look for because my old bookmarks are redirected to a common page.
which is another crap circle because if the dev's can write a redirected to a common page, they sure as hell could have made redirect point to new page.
On 08/12/2015 10:05 AM, g wrote:
On 08/12/15 10:48, jd1008 wrote: <<>>
Well, issue is with TB. Not with Google.
such is that i understand.
They have effectively rendered TB's about:config , at least wrt default search, a NOP.
hey, when one chases one's ass to keep up with competition, one tends to run in a circle of crap. ;-)
read the link Ed G. provided. it is the new page i was going to look for because my old bookmarks are redirected to a common page.
which is another crap circle because if the dev's can write a redirected to a common page, they sure as hell could have made redirect point to new page.
You and Ed missed the point - COMPLETELY! It is NOT FF I am talking bout, nor searchin via FF.
On 08/12/15 11:16, jd1008 wrote: <<>>
You and Ed missed the point - COMPLETELY! It is NOT FF I am talking bout, nor searchin via FF.
neither ED nor I missed the freaking point.
YOU have not looked at the freaking page which reads;
mozilla support Home > Thunderbird > Tips and tricks > Open Search Thunderbird
/(-: if you think it is about firefox, you need freaking glasses, or you need to attend a reading comprehension class. /:-)
On 08/13/15 00:16, jd1008 wrote:
On 08/12/2015 10:05 AM, g wrote:
On 08/12/15 10:48, jd1008 wrote: <<>>
Well, issue is with TB. Not with Google.
such is that i understand.
They have effectively rendered TB's about:config , at least wrt default search, a NOP.
hey, when one chases one's ass to keep up with competition, one tends to run in a circle of crap. ;-)
read the link Ed G. provided. it is the new page i was going to look for because my old bookmarks are redirected to a common page.
which is another crap circle because if the dev's can write a redirected to a common page, they sure as hell could have made redirect point to new page.
You and Ed missed the point - COMPLETELY! It is NOT FF I am talking bout, nor searchin via FF.
Where in my response did I mention Firefox? When in the link did I provide is the term Firefox used?
In T-Bird, in preferences, under "General" there is a selection for "Default Search Engine" and a drop down list that includes Bing, Yahoo, Amazon, AOL, Ebay, Twitter, and Wikipedia.
It is my belief that you want to add "Google" to that list and you convinced yourself that in order to do that you go to "Advanced-->General--->Config Editor" and manipulate the various entries.
You can't. And you're not meant to be able to.
You can install the extension of T-Bird.
On 08/12/2015 02:20 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 08/13/15 00:16, jd1008 wrote:
On 08/12/2015 10:05 AM, g wrote:
On 08/12/15 10:48, jd1008 wrote: <<>>
Well, issue is with TB. Not with Google.
such is that i understand.
They have effectively rendered TB's about:config , at least wrt default search, a NOP.
hey, when one chases one's ass to keep up with competition, one tends to run in a circle of crap. ;-)
read the link Ed G. provided. it is the new page i was going to look for because my old bookmarks are redirected to a common page.
which is another crap circle because if the dev's can write a redirected to a common page, they sure as hell could have made redirect point to new page.
You and Ed missed the point - COMPLETELY! It is NOT FF I am talking bout, nor searchin via FF.
Where in my response did I mention Firefox? When in the link did I provide is the term Firefox used?
In T-Bird, in preferences, under "General" there is a selection for "Default Search Engine" and a drop down list that includes Bing, Yahoo, Amazon, AOL, Ebay, Twitter, and Wikipedia.
It is my belief that you want to add "Google" to that list and you convinced yourself that in order to do that you go to "Advanced-->General--->Config Editor" and manipulate the various entries.
You can't. And you're not meant to be able to.
You can install the extension of T-Bird.
Well, by "you can't" simply underscores what I was saying to "g", i.e. the about:config changes for each engines is a NOP.
The problem with all of these extensions is that they provide functions that should be built-in to the browser. Also, another problem with extensions is that at a certain point, they become incompatible with a future release of TB (and this has been clearly underscored in the case of FF extensions).
So, I want to drop this because it is not going anywhere that I want to go.
Peace,
JD
On 08/13/15 04:31, jd1008 wrote:
So, I want to drop this because it is not going anywhere that I want to go.
Because you want it to go where it cannot. You wan it to result in your solution working when the underlying code prevents it.
I'm beginning to think you aren't asking questions on this list to find solutions to actual issues you're having. I'm beginning to think you're doing this as some sort of exercise. I'm beginning to think you make absolutely no effort whatsoever to find answers on your own. I'm beginning to think there is no point in answering your questions.
On 08/12/15 15:20, Ed Greshko wrote: <<>>
Where in my response did I mention Firefox? When in the link did I provide is the term Firefox used?
In T-Bird, in preferences, under "General" there is a selection for "Default Search Engine" and a drop down list that includes Bing, Yahoo, Amazon, AOL, Ebay, Twitter, and Wikipedia.
It is my belief that you want to add "Google" to that list and you convinced yourself that in order to do that you go to "Advanced-->General--->Config Editor" and manipulate the various entries.
You can't. And you're not meant to be able to.
You can install the extension of T-Bird.
in one of my post to this thread, i made a statement about diff of my version and jd1008's version.
in my version, 24.8.0, i changed search engines using 'about:config', just as i have done with firefox. and yes, i very well know the diff between them. ;-)
in my versions, i was able to make changes by simply using engine name and did not have to use base url. when jd1008 replied that just name did not work, i presumed that it may have to have url and suggested to try such.
when that did not work, i search with my bookmarks to find that there has been a lot of new pages made and old bookmarks are no longer valid. i then tried searching for new page. as it was taking time, i posted back that it would take more time and maybe someone else may know answer, which you did, and why i replied to your post.
i used to follow the mozilla email list, and there was much to do about how search engine selection worked with firefox. during that time, the dev's made changes for firefox and as apparent from your post, changes where also made to thunderbird because it is now, from your post, made thru preferences.
therefore, in part only, i accept some of the blame. but not in total.
jd1008 does tend to either not fully read post, or, as i kidded him, has a comprehension problem. ;-)
all in all, sometimes things work sometimes they do not. usually, when they do not, it is because someone decided to make changes. sometimes changes can be good, sometimes they are bad.
the dev's make a good addition to 'preferences' and a bad omission by not making proper redirects to old url's.
as for having to use an add-on to add a search engine, to me, that is stepping into more crap.
it would have been easier to just enter full base url to 'about:config' as they have for other purposes.
On 08/12/2015 03:19 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 08/13/15 04:31, jd1008 wrote:
So, I want to drop this because it is not going anywhere that I want to go.
Because you want it to go where it cannot. You wan it to result in your solution working when the underlying code prevents it.
I'm beginning to think you aren't asking questions on this list to find solutions to actual issues you're having. I'm beginning to think you're doing this as some sort of exercise. I'm beginning to think you make absolutely no effort whatsoever to find answers on your own. I'm beginning to think there is no point in answering your questions.
Ed, you are beginning to think! That is good :) :)
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