nvidia driver question

[thedogfarted]

I wonder if i should  install nvidia display driver form nvidia.com 
instead of my current driver from livna.

i have now installed following rpms:

nvidia-glx-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
kernel-module-nvidia-2.4.22-1.2174.nptl-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
nvidia-glx-devel-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1

and now i've downloaded NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run

The reason why i want to install is that i still have Mesa's GL header 
files in /usr/include. If i remember correctly, nvidia's install 
replaced them with their own, and this is what i need.

Why they weren't replaced when i installed driver from rpm? Can i safely 
just get the nvidia's GL header files and replace the existing ones?

[Daniel Stonier]

There's a detailed explanation of the redhat/nvidia state of affairs atm at

http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/long_list/cgi?buglist=110124

If that fails, just do a google for "redhat bugzilla nvidia".

Cheers,
Daniel.

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:54:59 +0200, thedogfarted  
wrote:
> I wonder if i should  install nvidia display driver form nvidia.com 
> instead of my current driver from livna.
>
> i have now installed following rpms:
>
> nvidia-glx-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
> kernel-module-nvidia-2.4.22-1.2174.nptl-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
> nvidia-glx-devel-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
>
> and now i've downloaded NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run
>
> The reason why i want to install is that i still have Mesa's GL header 
> files in /usr/include. If i remember correctly, nvidia's install 
> replaced them with their own, and this is what i need.
>
> Why they weren't replaced when i installed driver from rpm? Can i safely 
> just get the nvidia's GL header files and replace the existing ones?

[thedogfarted]

It's ok now, i used nvidia's 1.0-5336 driver & kernel module from 
atrpms. I don't know why, but it yelled that it has something like 
atrpm-config or something like that in deps and it conflicts with my 
version of yum. However, workaround was very simple - renaming yum.conf 
to yum.conf.backup or whatever, let atrpm-config or whatever install 
it's own version of yum.conf, and thed replace it with the old one.

At least i have the header files! (But i miss livna's config utility)

The link was broken but i found the page - nothing more than flame. And 
this "bug" was fixed before 5336. I found more useful information in 
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14

FC1 and other Linux users with nvidia cards and drivers should read it 
time after time. Luckily i haven't experienced problems discussed there yet.

Daniel Stonier wrote:
> There's a detailed explanation of the redhat/nvidia state of affairs atm at
>
> http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/long_list/cgi?buglist=110124
>
> If that fails, just do a google for "redhat bugzilla nvidia".
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel.
>
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:54:59 +0200, thedogfarted  
> wrote:
> > I wonder if i should  install nvidia display driver form nvidia.com 
> > instead of my current driver from livna.
> >
> > i have now installed following rpms:
> >
> > nvidia-glx-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
> > kernel-module-nvidia-2.4.22-1.2174.nptl-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
> > nvidia-glx-devel-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
> >
> > and now i've downloaded NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run
> >
> > The reason why i want to install is that i still have Mesa's GL header 
> > files in /usr/include. If i remember correctly, nvidia's install 
> > replaced them with their own, and this is what i need.
> >
> > Why they weren't replaced when i installed driver from rpm? Can i 
> > safely just get the nvidia's GL header files and replace the existing 
> > ones?

[Keith G. Robertson-Turner]

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:54:59 +0200, thedogfarted wrote:
> I wonder if i should  install nvidia display driver form nvidia.com
> instead of my current driver from livna.

No.
> i have now installed following rpms:
>
> nvidia-glx-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
> kernel-module-nvidia-2.4.22-1.2174.nptl-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
> nvidia-glx-devel-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1

Great!
> and now i've downloaded NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run

Why?
> The reason why i want to install is that i still have Mesa's GL header
> files in /usr/include. If i remember correctly, nvidia's install
> replaced them with their own, and this is what i need.

Eh???
> Why they weren't replaced when i installed driver from rpm? Can i safely
> just get the nvidia's GL header files and replace the existing ones?

I think you've got a bit mixed up. Forget about the NVidia pkg.run (self
extracting archive) files.

The following applies to the Livna package, which Peter Backlund, Dams and
I work on:

1) ... nvidia-glx-devel *is* NVidia's GL headers, try:
   rpm -ql nvidia-glx-devel

2) ... nvidia-glx and XFree86-Mesa-libGL now co-exist on one system
without interference. The nvidia-glx subsystem will be used as the default
GL driver. You do not need to uninstall XFree86-Mesa-libGL now, and indeed
you shouldn't do so.

3) ... The 5336 driver package is also available from Livna, at:
http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/1/i386/RPMS.testing/

4) ... With reference to "Why they weren't replaced when i installed
driver from rpm?" ... RPM does not replace files from one package, with
files from a different package (unless you force it to with nodeps or
force ... thus breaking the database). That's the whole point of RPM.

If you need more convincing, read:

http://rpm.livna.org/livna-switcher.html

-
Regards,

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[thedogfarted]

thx! didn't knew the package is in testing packages. One more question - 
where those nvidia's GL headers are placed (GL.h)?

..switching back to livna's rmp :)

Keith G. Robertson-Turner wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:54:59 +0200, thedogfarted wrote:
> > I wonder if i should  install nvidia display driver form nvidia.com
> > instead of my current driver from livna.
>
> No.
> > i have now installed following rpms:
> >
> > nvidia-glx-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
> > kernel-module-nvidia-2.4.22-1.2174.nptl-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
> > nvidia-glx-devel-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
>
> Great!
> > and now i've downloaded NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run
>
> Why?
> > The reason why i want to install is that i still have Mesa's GL header
> > files in /usr/include. If i remember correctly, nvidia's install
> > replaced them with their own, and this is what i need.
>
> Eh???
> > Why they weren't replaced when i installed driver from rpm? Can i safely
> > just get the nvidia's GL header files and replace the existing ones?
>
> I think you've got a bit mixed up. Forget about the NVidia pkg.run (self
> extracting archive) files.
>
> The following applies to the Livna package, which Peter Backlund, Dams and
> I work on:
>
> ... nvidia-glx-devel *is* NVidia's GL headers, try:
> rpm -ql nvidia-glx-devel
>
> ... nvidia-glx and XFree86-Mesa-libGL now co-exist on one system
>
> without interference. The nvidia-glx subsystem will be used as the default
> GL driver. You do not need to uninstall XFree86-Mesa-libGL now, and indeed
> you shouldn't do so.
> ... The 5336 driver package is also available from Livna, at:
>
> http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/1/i386/RPMS.testing/
> ... With reference to "Why they weren't replaced when i installed
>
> driver from rpm?" ... RPM does not replace files from one package, with
> files from a different package (unless you force it to with nodeps or
> force ... thus breaking the database). That's the whole point of RPM.
>
> If you need more convincing, read:
>
> http://rpm.livna.org/livna-switcher.html
>
> Regards,
>
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> Keith G. Robertson-Turner
> nvidia-devel[AT]genesis-x.nildram.co.uk
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[Gertjan Vinkesteijn]

thedogfarted wrote:
> It's ok now, i used nvidia's 1.0-5336 driver & kernel module from 
> atrpms. I don't know why, but it yelled that it has something like 
> atrpm-config or something like that in deps and it conflicts with my 
> version of yum. However, workaround was very simple - renaming 
> yum.conf to yum.conf.backup or whatever, let atrpm-config or whatever 
> install it's own version of yum.conf, and thed replace it with the old 
> one.
>
> At least i have the header files! (But i miss livna's config utility)
>
> The link was broken but i found the page - nothing more than flame. 
> And this "bug" was fixed before 5336. I found more useful information 
> in http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14
>
> FC1 and other Linux users with nvidia cards and drivers should read it 
> time after time. Luckily i haven't experienced problems discussed 
> there yet.
>
> Daniel Stonier wrote:
> > There's a detailed explanation of the redhat/nvidia state of affairs 
> > atm at
> >
> > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/long_list/cgi?buglist=110124
> >
> > If that fails, just do a google for "redhat bugzilla nvidia".
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Daniel.
> >
> > On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:54:59 +0200, thedogfarted 
> >  wrote:
> > > I wonder if i should  install nvidia display driver form nvidia.com 
> > > instead of my current driver from livna.
> > >
> > > i have now installed following rpms:
> > >
> > > nvidia-glx-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
> > > kernel-module-nvidia-2.4.22-1.2174.nptl-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
> > > nvidia-glx-devel-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
> > >
> > > and now i've downloaded NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run
> > >
> > > The reason why i want to install is that i still have Mesa's GL 
> > > header files in /usr/include. If i remember correctly, nvidia's 
> > > install replaced them with their own, and this is what i need.
> > >
> > > Why they weren't replaced when i installed driver from rpm? Can i 
> > > safely just get the nvidia's GL header files and replace the 
> > > existing ones?

I got the driver from 
http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-5336.html, it is 
called NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run 
http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-5336/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run 
I run it and it puts the module in the kernel. This is for my pci TNT2 
card, AGP is already build in the kernel as a module: 
CONFIG_AGP_NVIDIA=y in .config

What does nvidia/nForce has to say?

Package Availability

This package can be found at the NVIDIA web site:

http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp

We strongly urge you to only use software obtained from this website or 
a trusted Linux distribution for your nForce hardware.

[thedogfarted]

found myself

thedogfarted wrote:
> thx! didn't knew the package is in testing packages. One more question - 
> where those nvidia's GL headers are placed (GL.h)?
>
> ..switching back to livna's rmp :)
>
> Keith G. Robertson-Turner wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:54:59 +0200, thedogfarted wrote:
> > > I wonder if i should  install nvidia display driver form nvidia.com
> > > instead of my current driver from livna.
> >
> > No.
> > > i have now installed following rpms:
> > >
> > > nvidia-glx-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
> > > kernel-module-nvidia-2.4.22-1.2174.nptl-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
> > > nvidia-glx-devel-1.0.4620-0.lvn.18.1
> >
> > Great!
> > > and now i've downloaded NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run
> >
> > Why?
> > > The reason why i want to install is that i still have Mesa's GL header
> > > files in /usr/include. If i remember correctly, nvidia's install
> > > replaced them with their own, and this is what i need.
> >
> > Eh???
> > > Why they weren't replaced when i installed driver from rpm? Can i safely
> > > just get the nvidia's GL header files and replace the existing ones?
> >
> > I think you've got a bit mixed up. Forget about the NVidia pkg.run (self
> > extracting archive) files.
> >
> > The following applies to the Livna package, which Peter Backlund, Dams 
> > and
> > I work on:
> >
> > ... nvidia-glx-devel *is* NVidia's GL headers, try:
> > rpm -ql nvidia-glx-devel
> >
> > ... nvidia-glx and XFree86-Mesa-libGL now co-exist on one system
> >
> > without interference. The nvidia-glx subsystem will be used as the 
> > default
> > GL driver. You do not need to uninstall XFree86-Mesa-libGL now, and 
> > indeed
> > you shouldn't do so.
> > ... The 5336 driver package is also available from Livna, at:
> >
> > http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/1/i386/RPMS.testing/
> > ... With reference to "Why they weren't replaced when i installed
> >
> > driver from rpm?" ... RPM does not replace files from one package, with
> > files from a different package (unless you force it to with nodeps or
> > force ... thus breaking the database). That's the whole point of RPM.
> >
> > If you need more convincing, read:
> >
> > http://rpm.livna.org/livna-switcher.html
> >
> > Regards,
> >
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> > Keith G. Robertson-Turner
> > nvidia-devel[AT]genesis-x.nildram.co.uk
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[Michal Zeravik]

Hey guys,

what is performance difference of 4496 and 5336 nvidia drivers?
Is it worth to upgrade driver?

Michalz
(ath2.2+, gf4 4800vivo)