I suppose I should know by know but ...
Do I need an entry in /etc/fstab for an optical disk drive? If so what should it be?
I viewed some lectures on line, bought the download actually but decided would eat up more of my bandwidth allotment for the month than I could afford and had them send me some DVD's instead. Then to my surprise my F-16/64 installations wont play them although they looked fine from the download site.
When I put a "movie" dvd in the drive an icon pops up normally but ls /media appears to be empty:
[bobg@box6 ~]$ ll /media total 0
Should I not see something like /media/cdrom ? The disk I am testing with has always worked on earlier Fedora's. Admittedly I rarely do anything with dvd's but when I have needed to I have been able to play and record, in most cases data. Now as far as VLC and Parole it is like there's no drive installed?
I need help troubleshooting.
Thanks,
Bob
On 03/02/2012 08:55 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I suppose I should know by know but ... Do I need an entry in /etc/fstab for an optical disk drive? If so what should it be? I viewed some lectures on line, bought the download actually but decided would eat up more of my bandwidth allotment for the month than I could afford and had them send me some DVD's instead. Then to my surprise my F-16/64 installations wont play them although they looked fine from the download site. When I put a "movie" dvd in the drive an icon pops up normally but ls /media appears to be empty: [bobg@box6 ~]$ ll /media total 0 Should I not see something like /media/cdrom ? The disk I am testing with has always worked on earlier Fedora's. Admittedly I rarely do anything with dvd's but when I have needed to I have been able to play and record, in most cases data. Now as far as VLC and Parole it is like there's no drive installed? I need help troubleshooting.
I'm using KDE, so my view may vary slightly from what you see.....
When I pop in a DVD, Arsenic and Old Lace, the "Device Notifier" pops up giving 6 potential actions. I don't want to do any of them so I ignore it. The device is not mounted so there is nothing in /media.
I bring up SMPlayer and pick "Open from Disc" and the movie is played. The program is reading directly from the /dev/dvd device which is a symlink to /dev/sr0 which is the block device for the drive.
On 02/03/12 09:27, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/02/2012 08:55 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I suppose I should know by know but ... Do I need an entry in /etc/fstab for an optical disk drive? If so what should it be? I viewed some lectures on line, bought the download actually but decided would eat up more of my bandwidth allotment for the month than I could afford and had them send me some DVD's instead. Then to my surprise my F-16/64 installations wont play them although they looked fine from the download site. When I put a "movie" dvd in the drive an icon pops up normally but ls /media appears to be empty: [bobg@box6 ~]$ ll /media total 0 Should I not see something like /media/cdrom ? The disk I am testing with has always worked on earlier Fedora's. Admittedly I rarely do anything with dvd's but when I have needed to I have been able to play and record, in most cases data. Now as far as VLC and Parole it is like there's no drive installed? I need help troubleshooting.I'm using KDE, so my view may vary slightly from what you see.....
When I pop in a DVD, Arsenic and Old Lace, the "Device Notifier" pops up giving 6 potential actions. I don't want to do any of them so I ignore it. The device is not mounted so there is nothing in /media.
I bring up SMPlayer and pick "Open from Disc" and the movie is played. The program is reading directly from the /dev/dvd device which is a symlink to /dev/sr0 which is the block device for the drive.
Ok Ed, that's what I needed!
[root@box6 bobg]# ll /dev/sr1 brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 1 Mar 2 04:35 /dev/sr1
There's that "+" again, the same problem I am having with devices connected to USB like my scanners, and the digital camera. Apparently a problem unique to the Fedora 16 XFCE Live Spin from which I have installed both systems.
I put bobg in the cdrom group, not sure if that helps but doing:
[root@box6 bobg]# ll /dev/sr1 brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 1 Mar 2 04:35 /dev/sr1
Gets the movie running in VLC.
Thanks,
Bob
On 02/03/12 09:47, Bob Goodwin wrote:
On 02/03/12 09:27, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/02/2012 08:55 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I suppose I should know by know but ... Do I need an entry in /etc/fstab for an optical disk drive? If so what should it be? I viewed some lectures on line, bought the download actuallybut decided would eat up more of my bandwidth allotment for the month than I could afford and had them send me some DVD's instead. Then to my surprise my F-16/64 installations wont play them although they looked fine from the download site.
When I put a "movie" dvd in the drive an icon pops up normally but ls /media appears to be empty: [bobg@box6 ~]$ ll /media total 0 Should I not see something like /media/cdrom ? The disk I am testing with has always worked on earlier Fedora's.Admittedly I rarely do anything with dvd's but when I have needed to I have been able to play and record, in most cases data. Now as far as VLC and Parole it is like there's no drive installed?
I need help troubleshooting.I'm using KDE, so my view may vary slightly from what you see.....
When I pop in a DVD, Arsenic and Old Lace, the "Device Notifier" pops up giving 6 potential actions. I don't want to do any of them so I ignore it. The device is not mounted so there is nothing in /media.
I bring up SMPlayer and pick "Open from Disc" and the movie is played. The program is reading directly from the /dev/dvd device which is a symlink to /dev/sr0 which is the block device for the drive.
Ok Ed, that's what I needed! [root@box6 bobg]# ll /dev/sr1 brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 1 Mar 2 04:35 /dev/sr1 There's that "+" again, the same problem I am having with devices connected to USB like my scanners, and the digital camera. Apparently a problem unique to the Fedora 16 XFCE Live Spin from which I have installed both systems. I put bobg in the cdrom group, not sure if that helps but doing:
[[root@box6 bobg]# setfacl -m u:bobg:rw- /dev/dvd
Gets the movie running in VLC.
Thanks,
Bob
Sorry, I copy pasted the wrong line.
On 03/02/2012 10:58 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
[[root@box6 bobg]# setfacl -m u:bobg:rw- /dev/dvd Gets the movie running in VLC.
Well, even though it works of course you really have another underlying problem.
You should not have to "setfacl" and as I think you've found that command has to be repeated after a reboot. Also, you'd really want to do it to the actual device file....
With no users logged into the system one would see something along these lines....
[egreshko@f16-2 dev]$ getfacl sr0 # file: sr0 # owner: root # group: cdrom user::rw- user:gdm:rw- group::rw- mask::rw- other::---
Then, after login it will change....
[egreshko@f16-2 dev]$ getfacl sr0 # file: sr0 # owner: root # group: cdrom user::rw- user:egreshko:rw- group::rw- mask::rw- other::---
It is late, and I've forgotten what is responsible for making these changes. It seems whatever that is, isn't working correctly on your system.
On 02/03/12 10:55, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/02/2012 10:58 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
[[root@box6 bobg]# setfacl -m u:bobg:rw- /dev/dvd Gets the movie running in VLC.Well, even though it works of course you really have another underlying problem.
You should not have to "setfacl" and as I think you've found that command has to be repeated after a reboot. Also, you'd really want to do it to the actual device file....
With no users logged into the system one would see something along these lines....
[egreshko@f16-2 dev]$ getfacl sr0 # file: sr0 # owner: root # group: cdrom user::rw- user:gdm:rw- group::rw- mask::rw- other::---
Then, after login it will change....
[egreshko@f16-2 dev]$ getfacl sr0 # file: sr0 # owner: root # group: cdrom user::rw- user:egreshko:rw- group::rw- mask::rw- other::---
It is late, and I've forgotten what is responsible for making these changes. It seems whatever that is, isn't working correctly on your system.
Yes, I am aware of this as a result of lot of effort Michael Schwendt put forth on the problem I was having with two USB scanners on both of my F16/64 computers. Much of it is a bit beyond me but he provided the following:
"Yeah, systemd seat/session management is new, and ConsoleKit will be removed in F-17. When using startx, you will notice that your session is not listed as active", and hence systemd-uaccess doesn't change the device node acls when you're in XFCE. There are a couple of open bug reports, not limited to these: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=684158 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769649 Further reading: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ckremoval --"
So it looks to me like I am stuck with what I have until Fedora 17 comes along. In the mean time none of these are fatal problems, they concern functions I don't use often, I just need a scheme for getting them to work when need be or face ridicule from the rest of the family with their Apple junk! I have them convinced that my stuff always works and is usually easier to use [for me anyway].
And I learn from all of this, keep extensive notes. Will I be able to apply what I learn? Good question, I usually muddle through eventually.
Bob
On 03/03/2012 12:38 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
Yes, I am aware of this as a result of lot of effort Michael Schwendt put forth on the problem I was having with two USB scanners on both of my F16/64 computers. Much of it is a bit beyond me but he provided the following: "Yeah, systemd seat/session management is new, and ConsoleKit will be removed in F-17. When using startx, you will notice that your session is not listed as active", and hence systemd-uaccess doesn't change the device node acls when you're in XFCE. There are a couple of open bug reports, not limited to these: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=684158 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769649 Further reading: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ckremoval --" So it looks to me like I am stuck with what I have until Fedora 17 comes along. In the mean time none of these are fatal problems, they concern functions I don't use often, I just need a scheme for getting them to work when need be or face ridicule from the rest of the family with their Apple junk! I have them convinced that my stuff always works and is usually easier to use [for me anyway]. And I learn from all of this, keep extensive notes. Will I be able to apply what I learn? Good question, I usually muddle through eventually.
Oh, so your starting your X sessions from "startx"? Any particular reason for that?
On 02/03/12 18:51, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/03/2012 12:38 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
And I learn from all of this, keep extensive notes. Will I be able to apply what I learn? Good question, I usually muddle through eventually.Oh, so you're starting your X sessions from "startx"? Any particular reason for that?
Probably as much as because I've always done it that way as any. I like to see the boot messages and don't always need to bring up the desktop display right away.
Is there some reason I should not do that, other than that it may be contributing to some problems presently, problems that were not anticipated and never happened before?
On 03/03/2012 09:12 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
Probably as much as because I've always done it that way as any. I like to see the boot messages and don't always need to bring up the desktop display right away. Is there some reason I should not do that, other than that it may be contributing to some problems presently, problems that were not anticipated and never happened before?
Well, in reading the bugzillas you brought up they all point to your issues being connected with the "startx" process and its adverse effect on Xfce. If I were in your position, I'd be changing to the normal runlevel 5 start-up rather than fighting and fixing stuff. I'm just lazy that way. :-)
On 02/03/12 20:24, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/03/2012 09:12 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
Probably as much as because I've always done it that way as any. I like to see the boot messages and don't always need to bring up the desktop display right away. Is there some reason I should not do that, other than that it may be contributing to some problems presently, problems that were not anticipated and never happened before?Well, in reading the bugzillas you brought up they all point to your issues being connected with the "startx" process and its adverse effect on Xfce. If I were in your position, I'd be changing to the normal runlevel 5 start-up rather than fighting and fixing stuff. I'm just lazy that way. :-)
There's no doubt you're right but I don't mind the extra steps since they're not often required and I guess I'm just too old to accept change. It's just that these things all converged on me at once, I don't often need to scan anything, less often need to get pictures off the camera, and until buying this set of lectures never viewed a dvd other than testing to see if it worked.
However, your assistance and comment are very much appreciated.
On 03/02/2012 05:38 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
There's no doubt you're right but I don't mind the extra steps since they're not often required and I guess I'm just too old to accept change.
Yeah; I used to be like that until I realized that I was spending almost all of my time in X and stopped booting to a CLI. However, if you're using XFCE, you should be using startxfce4 instead of startx. HTH, HAND.
On 03/03/2012 09:54 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
Yeah; I used to be like that until I realized that I was spending almost all of my time in X and stopped booting to a CLI. However, if you're using XFCE, you should be using startxfce4 instead of startx. HTH, HAND.
FYI, startxfce4 also fails to provide the needed changes to the acls.
On 02/03/12 21:00, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/03/2012 09:54 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
Yeah; I used to be like that until I realized that I was spending almost all of my time in X and stopped booting to a CLI. However, if you're using XFCE, you should be using startxfce4 instead of startx. HTH, HAND.
FYI, startxfce4 also fails to provide the needed changes to the acls.
And for whatever reason "startxfce4" is rarely needed. In the past when it has been "startx" simply produced a black screen. Then after doing "startxfce4" one time "startx" would work on subsequent "boots." With the xfce spin it has not been necessary, startx has always worked from the first boot. My observations as a user of xfce for several years.
On 03/03/2012 05:40 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
And for whatever reason "startxfce4" is rarely needed. In the past when it has been "startx" simply produced a black screen. Then after doing "startxfce4" one time "startx" would work on subsequent "boots." With the xfce spin it has not been necessary, startx has always worked from the first boot. My observations as a user of xfce for several years.
Sure....
Once you've done a startxfce4 your session previous XSession choice has been recorded. Subsequent "startx" commands reference that (/var/lib/AccountsService/users" and the previous choice in desktops is started.
It works that way regardless of desktop.
On 03/03/2012 06:32 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
My cat hit send before I finished editing... Corrected below....
Sure....
Once you've done a startxfce4 your previous XSession choice has been recorded. Subsequent "startx" commands reference that (/var/lib/AccountsService/users) and the previous choice in desktops is started.
It works that way regardless of desktop.
(/var/lib/AccountsService/users)
Maybe the incorrect place it is stored..... But the idea is correct..... Too late....
On 03/03/12 05:36, Ed Greshko wrote:
(/var/lib/AccountsService/users)
Maybe the incorrect place it is stored..... But the idea is correct..... Too late....
Not here -
[bobg@box6 ~]$ cat /var/lib/AccountsService/users/bobg
[User] Language= XSession=
[bobg@box6 ~]$ cat /var/lib/AccountsService/users/gdm
[User] Language= XSession=
On 03/03/2012 06:49 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
Not here - [bobg@box6 ~]$ cat /var/lib/AccountsService/users/bobg [User] Language= XSession= [bobg@box6 ~]$ cat /var/lib/AccountsService/users/gdm [User] Language= XSession=
Yes, I realized my mistake. That isn't the place. Can't say I know offhand where the "last desktop used" is held and what is responsible for keeping track of it. It may be different for each display manager.
Whatever....it isn't really important to this thread which has been resolved several emails back.... :-)
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