I've upgraded to Fedora 9 and about the only thing that seems to run with any consistancy are the KDE applications. Third party programs, such as OpenOffice, will not run. FireFox runs sporatically in Gnome but not at all in KDE. Forget about Gnome applications - Evolution for example.
I have been using Evolution as my mail client/calendar/contact list and more for some time. It interfaces with OpenOffice by allowing it to generate labels using the contacts from Evolution.
Has Fedora abondoned support for Gnome? How about OpenOffice?
Or, is there something I am missing?
Thanks.
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 16:09 +0000, vohnmaxwell@bellsouth.net wrote:
I've upgraded to Fedora 9 and about the only thing that seems to run with any consistancy are the KDE applications. Third party programs, such as OpenOffice, will not run. FireFox runs sporatically in Gnome but not at all in KDE. Forget about Gnome applications - Evolution for example.
I have been using Evolution as my mail client/calendar/contact list and more for some time. It interfaces with OpenOffice by allowing it to generate labels using the contacts from Evolution.
Has Fedora abondoned support for Gnome? How about OpenOffice?
Or, is there something I am missing?
---- create a new user and try logging in as that user and see if gnome, openoffice, etc. work properly, which they should.
If so, the problem is with the files in your $HOME directory
If not, you have a problem with your installation
GNOME, OpenOffice should work fine on an updated Fedora 9 installation.
Craig
Under the root signon in KDE I created a "New User". I then rebooted and attempted to sign on to the new user. The only thing that happens is that it flashes and brings up the log on prompt again and again.
The only deviation to this is if I attempt to sign on with the new user to KDE. Then it says that it is not able run the "configuration4". At this point, it brings me back to the beginning.
I think I am at the point where I may use what tools I have available, back up all data - documents, photos, etc. then attempt to either do a complete install (not upgrade) of Fedora 9 or skip Fedora 9 and go to Fedora 10.
I am a bit skeptical of loading a beta product.
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On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 16:09 +0000, vohnmaxwell@bellsouth.net wrote:
I've upgraded to Fedora 9 and about the only thing that seems to run with any consistancy are the KDE applications. Third party programs, such as OpenOffice, will not run. FireFox runs sporatically in Gnome but not at all in KDE. Forget about Gnome applications - Evolution for example.
I have been using Evolution as my mail client/calendar/contact list and more for some time. It interfaces with OpenOffice by allowing it to generate labels using the contacts from Evolution.
Has Fedora abondoned support for Gnome? How about OpenOffice?
Or, is there something I am missing?
create a new user and try logging in as that user and see if gnome, openoffice, etc. work properly, which they should.
If so, the problem is with the files in your $HOME directory
If not, you have a problem with your installation
GNOME, OpenOffice should work fine on an updated Fedora 9 installation.
Craig
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On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 09:15 -0700, Craig White wrote:
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 16:09 +0000, vohnmaxwell@bellsouth.net wrote:
I've upgraded to Fedora 9 and about the only thing that seems to run with any consistancy are the KDE applications. Third party programs, such as OpenOffice, will not run. FireFox runs sporatically in Gnome but not at all in KDE. Forget about Gnome applications - Evolution for example.
I have been using Evolution as my mail client/calendar/contact list and more for some time. It interfaces with OpenOffice by allowing it to generate labels using the contacts from Evolution.
Has Fedora abondoned support for Gnome? How about OpenOffice?
Or, is there something I am missing?
create a new user and try logging in as that user and see if gnome, openoffice, etc. work properly, which they should.
If so, the problem is with the files in your $HOME directory
If not, you have a problem with your installation
GNOME, OpenOffice should work fine on an updated Fedora 9 installation.
Craig
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Seeing that there seems to be a consensus building that I have an installation issue, the prudent course of action would be to back up my files - pictures, documents etc. and reload with a clean Fedora 9 package.
Would you concur?
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On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 09:15 -0700, Craig White wrote:
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 16:09 +0000, vohnmaxwell@bellsouth.net wrote:
I've upgraded to Fedora 9 and about the only thing that seems to run with any consistancy are the KDE applications. Third party programs, such as OpenOffice, will not run. FireFox runs sporatically in Gnome but not at all in KDE. Forget about Gnome applications - Evolution for example.
I have been using Evolution as my mail client/calendar/contact list and more for some time. It interfaces with OpenOffice by allowing it to generate labels using the contacts from Evolution.
Has Fedora abondoned support for Gnome? How about OpenOffice?
Or, is there something I am missing?
create a new user and try logging in as that user and see if gnome, openoffice, etc. work properly, which they should.
If so, the problem is with the files in your $HOME directory
If not, you have a problem with your installation
GNOME, OpenOffice should work fine on an updated Fedora 9 installation.
Craig
They not only should but they do. Something is wrong with you installation.
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On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 21:44 +0000, vohnmaxwell@bellsouth.net wrote:
Seeing that there seems to be a consensus building that I have an installation issue, the prudent course of action would be to back up my files - pictures, documents etc. and reload with a clean Fedora 9 package.
Would you concur?
---- I would concur with the caveat being that would the quickest, easiest and most effective way to solve the problem.
It also would be the least instructive because upon doing so, you would never know what it was that went wrong...i.e., was it something that you did (probably), was it something wrong with the way you updated/upgraded (possibly), was it something with an anaconda or 'preupgrade' or yum type upgrade (maybe).
When I started using Red Hat Linux (like RHL 5.0), I had to break it a number of times, reinstall and continually evaluate to push my knowledge and I can appreciate that most people don't have that same level of interest. You have to really want to understand it to figure out that it all makes sense and it all is eminently fixable and a wipe/reinstall shouldn't really be necessary (beyond just to save time).
Judging by your previous e-mails you seem to possess some computer skills and some intellectual curiosity but you seemed to just gloss over questions that I had asked which might have enabled me to help out at which point, I sort of lost interest.
Something to consider...this list is all volunteer and people have varying levels of skills and you may get requests for more info or suggestions from varying individuals with varying amounts of usefulness and eventually you either sort them out and plug into those who can help out or you simply get buried in the high volume of traffic.
Craig
Craig White wrote:
When I started using Red Hat Linux (like RHL 5.0), I had to break it a number of times, reinstall and continually evaluate to push my knowledge and I can appreciate that most people don't have that same level of interest. You have to really want to understand it to figure out that it all makes sense and it all is eminently fixable and a wipe/reinstall shouldn't really be necessary (beyond just to save time).
Judging by your previous e-mails you seem to possess some computer skills and some intellectual curiosity but you seemed to just gloss over questions that I had asked which might have enabled me to help out at which point, I sort of lost interest.
Something to consider...this list is all volunteer and people have varying levels of skills and you may get requests for more info or suggestions from varying individuals with varying amounts of usefulness and eventually you either sort them out and plug into those who can help out or you simply get buried in the high volume of traffic.
Craig
I think Craig has a good point here - I would bet the most of the people who give good advice on here have broken their system more then once, and learned how to fix it. Of course, it is also a good learning experience when someone else breaks their system, and brings it to you to fix.
Now days, you can also create a virtual system to play with when you want to break something, and be able to take you time fixing it without losing the use of the machine. It sure takes up less space then keeping a spare machine to do this with.
Mikkel
Speaking of bringing issues to this forum, would it not improve the flow of communication, or at least prevent an overrun of the email servers, to use another method to pass on commucations.
Perhaps through sharing information via a WEB site using blogs, message boards, doc sharing and other WEB tools.
I know from experience on both ends, at times it is difficutlt to always express what problems you are having or understand what problems others are having strickly through emails.
Sometimes it helps to be able to see first hand. I know there are products and or WEB sites that allow you to see ("whiteboard") what is happening as a person encounters the situation.
Thanks for the response and I hope that some day I will be able to contribute more then ask for help from the forum.
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On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 01:52 +0000, vohnmaxwell@bellsouth.net wrote:
Speaking of bringing issues to this forum, would it not improve the flow of communication, or at least prevent an overrun of the email servers, to use another method to pass on commucations.
Since you express an interest in improving communications, a good starting point would be to follow the guidelines for this list (see the end of every message posted here), specifically:
1) Do not post in HTML. 2) Do not top-post in replies.
Thank you.
poc
You right as far as knowledge to an extent depending on the level or should I say platform you speak. I have been in the business for 30 years. I've worked on Honeywell, IBM, NAS, and others. I am speaking of mainframe.
As for this platform, I've played and toyed with them off/on at various levels. At the point I am at, I have other things that also occupy my time. I have to pick and choose at to what level I want to spend my spare time. As I have other hobbies including amateur radio, boating, spending time with my wife and traveling.
I had explored Linux sometime ago - about 10+ with Mandrake. A few years ago, I had a order a new upgrade to a Linux product which included other distros (Fedora). About the same time, Mandrake was becoming unsettled and I dropped my interest in the product.
Then, about 3 years ago, when that other operating system, started making more and more expensive and painful to keep up, I took up Linux again by dusting off Fedora. I had run Fedora 7 for about a year with little issue and noticed that I had fallen behind with the upgrades.
I took on the process to catch up just before the weekend. First with Fedora 8. I worked through the install issue with the install hanging during the resolving of the dependencies. I applied a number of updates and decided to attempt to move to Fedora 9.
The install went a bit smoother then Fedora 8. But it was getting late and there were 906 packages to install. I went to bed before it finished. I woke to find that all seemed in order.
First thing I ran into after the install was that Xen hung (I think I mentioned prior that I put Xen on to see how it functioned but found that Fedora never really got it running).
When I bypassed Xen during startup by hiting any other key and bringing me to the Grub load options, I noticed that the other options were for prior installs of Fedora 8.
It was at this point I ran into the problems you and others have been helping me with.
Through your suggestions, I used the recovery to run yum and get the upgrades. Once I applied enough of the upgrades (there were over 200 the first and 590+ the second), I was able to at least get into Gnome and bring up a terminal session (2) to finish. This helped because I could list the upgrades in on terminal and use the second to apply. If I would run into a problem, I would bypass that package and come back to it later.
To date, the only packages I have not applied updates to are the for the Network Manager. That is because it has a conflict with a module previously loaded. It is of a more current release then the one the package is attempting to load.
I've been rambling. Thank you for the insight.
At this point I have identified all the files that I will need to back up with the exception of the Evolution folders where my calendar, email messages, memos, and tasks are. I am sure I will find them and include them in my back up plans before reloading Fedora.
It sounds that you have been involved with Linux to quite an extent. How stable is 10 to date?
Should I give it some consideration or wait a bit longer?
-------------- Original message from Craig White craigwhite@azapple.com: --------------
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 21:44 +0000, vohnmaxwell@bellsouth.net wrote:
Seeing that there seems to be a consensus building that I have an installation issue, the prudent course of action would be to back up my files - pictures, documents etc. and reload with a clean Fedora 9 package.
Would you concur?
I would concur with the caveat being that would the quickest, easiest and most effective way to solve the problem.
It also would be the least instructive because upon doing so, you would never know what it was that went wrong...i.e., was it something that you did (probably), was it something wrong with the way you updated/upgraded (possibly), was it something with an anaconda or 'preupgrade' or yum type upgrade (maybe).
When I started using Red Hat Linux (like RHL 5.0), I had to break it a number of times, reinstall and continually evaluate to push my knowledge and I can appreciate that most people don't have that same level of interest. You have to really want to understand it to figure out that it all makes sense and it all is eminently fixable and a wipe/reinstall shouldn't really be necessary (beyond just to save time).
Judging by your previous e-mails you seem to possess some computer skills and some intellectual curiosity but you seemed to just gloss over questions that I had asked which might have enabled me to help out at which point, I sort of lost interest.
Something to consider...this list is all volunteer and people have varying levels of skills and you may get requests for more info or suggestions from varying individuals with varying amounts of usefulness and eventually you either sort them out and plug into those who can help out or you simply get buried in the high volume of traffic.
Craig
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On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 01:46 +0000, vohnmaxwell@bellsouth.net wrote:
To date, the only packages I have not applied updates to are the for the Network Manager. That is because it has a conflict with a module previously loaded. It is of a more current release then the one the package is attempting to load.
---- say what? Something sounds very wrong here ----
I've been rambling. Thank you for the insight.
At this point I have identified all the files that I will need to back up with the exception of the Evolution folders where my calendar, email messages, memos, and tasks are. I am sure I will find them and include them in my back up plans before reloading Fedora.
It sounds that you have been involved with Linux to quite an extent. How stable is 10 to date?
Should I give it some consideration or wait a bit longer?
---- Considering that it's still a 'beta' release, it's probably not reasonable to expect things to work without breaking but then again, that's how they get reports of brokenness.
Craig
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 21:44 +0000, vohnmaxwell@bellsouth.net wrote:
Seeing that there seems to be a consensus building that I have an installation issue, the prudent course of action would be to back up my files - pictures, documents etc. and reload with a clean Fedora 9 package. Would you concur?
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On 10/28/2008 09:42 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 21:44 +0000, vohnmaxwell@bellsouth.net wrote:
Seeing that there seems to be a consensus building that I have an installation issue, the prudent course of action would be to back up my files - pictures, documents etc. and reload with a clean Fedora 9 package. Would you concur?
yes
This brings up another issue. Normally when I help people install Linux o their systems at installfests, I normally recommend a separate /home directory so they can do fresh installs without the need for explicitly backing up and restoring. (Although doing periodic backups is something everyone SHOULD do, but not all of us do :-).
I would certainly concur with Aaron that you do a fresh install. If you review the partition settings, I would set the root directory to format so it is cleaned out, but I would also set up a separate /home, but that is certainly up to you.
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