FYI.
Quiting ktorrent does not cause ktorrent to exit. After I quit, I run ps -ef | grep ktorrent and it is still running long after I quit.
Allegedly, on or about 20 November 2016, jd1008 sent:
FYI.
Quiting ktorrent does not cause ktorrent to exit. After I quit, I run ps -ef | grep ktorrent and it is still running long after I quit.
*How* are you quitting it?
While I'm not familiar with that particular client, some torrent clients only hide the interface when you close them, so that file transfers will continue on in the background. You have to pick a quit item from the menu, rather than simply close the window.
On 11/21/16 19:35, Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 20 November 2016, jd1008 sent:
FYI.
Quiting ktorrent does not cause ktorrent to exit. After I quit, I run ps -ef | grep ktorrent and it is still running long after I quit.
*How* are you quitting it?
While I'm not familiar with that particular client, some torrent clients only hide the interface when you close them, so that file transfers will continue on in the background. You have to pick a quit item from the menu, rather than simply close the window.
Exactly. I make extensive use of ktorrent
In addition, if one has a large number of torrents then shut may take a few minutes as ~/.local/share/ktorrent/tor* directories and files are updated with the latest info.
I'm not certain if chunks currently in process are simply terminated and discarded or if they are allowed to complete. Either way I doubt they contribute much to the time needed to terminate.
FWIW, I have about 1800 torrents and it takes ktorrent somewhere between 1 and 2 minutes to shutdown.
On 11/20/2016 03:06 PM, jd1008 wrote:
FYI.
Quiting ktorrent does not cause ktorrent to exit. After I quit, I run ps -ef | grep ktorrent and it is still running long after I quit.
hi jd.
it has been years when last ran a torrent download. do not recall about problems in terminating, other than someone was pulling from me.
are you sure all operations are finished? how do you have 'configure shutdown' set? are any 'events' still running? any plugins still running? are you running log files?
think about running 'wireshark', or some other analyzer to watch traffic.
running 'kde system monitor' and watching 'system load' is an easy way to see ups/downs'. 'process table' will show you when it actually stops running, select 'memory' and 'own processes'.
On 11/22/2016 05:45 AM, geo.inbox.ignored wrote:
On 11/20/2016 03:06 PM, jd1008 wrote:
FYI.
Quiting ktorrent does not cause ktorrent to exit. After I quit, I run ps -ef | grep ktorrent and it is still running long after I quit.
hi jd.
it has been years when last ran a torrent download. do not recall about problems in terminating, other than someone was pulling from me.
are you sure all operations are finished? how do you have 'configure shutdown' set? are any 'events' still running? any plugins still running? are you running log files?
think about running 'wireshark', or some other analyzer to watch traffic.
running 'kde system monitor' and watching 'system load' is an easy way to see ups/downs'. 'process table' will show you when it actually stops running, select 'memory' and 'own processes'.
Well, I don't know. When I ask ktorrent to quit, it OUGHT to mean cease and desist (i.e. stop) all operations. If that is NOT what it does, then it is a flaw.
On 11/22/2016 02:02 PM, jd1008 wrote:
Well, I don't know. When I ask ktorrent to quit, it OUGHT to mean cease and desist (i.e. stop) all operations. If that is NOT what it does, then it is a flaw.
I tried to check the program's official website. Not only has the site vanished, the subdomain it's supposed to be on is gone as well.
On 11/22/2016 03:31 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/22/2016 02:02 PM, jd1008 wrote:
Well, I don't know. When I ask ktorrent to quit, it OUGHT to mean cease and desist (i.e. stop) all operations. If that is NOT what it does, then it is a flaw.
I tried to check the program's official website. Not only has the site vanished, the subdomain it's supposed to be on is gone as well.
On 11/22/2016 02:40 PM, jd1008 wrote:
On 11/22/2016 03:31 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/22/2016 02:02 PM, jd1008 wrote:
Well, I don't know. When I ask ktorrent to quit, it OUGHT to mean cease and desist (i.e. stop) all operations. If that is NOT what it does, then it is a flaw.
I tried to check the program's official website. Not only has the site vanished, the subdomain it's supposed to be on is gone as well.
I didn't mean to imply that the project was dead, just that the site was gone.
On 11/22/2016 03:54 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/22/2016 02:40 PM, jd1008 wrote:
On 11/22/2016 03:31 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/22/2016 02:02 PM, jd1008 wrote:
Well, I don't know. When I ask ktorrent to quit, it OUGHT to mean cease and desist (i.e. stop) all operations. If that is NOT what it does, then it is a flaw.
I tried to check the program's official website. Not only has the site vanished, the subdomain it's supposed to be on is gone as well.
I didn't mean to imply that the project was dead, just that the site was gone. ___
The site that is gone is ktorrent.org
Apparently, it was not supported by kde.org, and so, it lost funding.
On 11/22/2016 02:59 PM, jd1008 wrote:
On 11/22/2016 03:54 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/22/2016 02:40 PM, jd1008 wrote:
On 11/22/2016 03:31 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/22/2016 02:02 PM, jd1008 wrote:
Well, I don't know. When I ask ktorrent to quit, it OUGHT to mean cease and desist (i.e. stop) all operations. If that is NOT what it does, then it is a flaw.
I tried to check the program's official website. Not only has the site vanished, the subdomain it's supposed to be on is gone as well.
I didn't mean to imply that the project was dead, just that the site was gone. ___
The site that is gone is ktorrent.org
Apparently, it was not supported by kde.org, and so, it lost funding.
Wikipedia still lists http://ktorrent.pwsp.net/ as the official website. I'll be happy to correct it if you'll give me the correct url.
On 11/22/2016 04:11 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/22/2016 02:59 PM, jd1008 wrote:
On 11/22/2016 03:54 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/22/2016 02:40 PM, jd1008 wrote:
On 11/22/2016 03:31 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/22/2016 02:02 PM, jd1008 wrote:
Well, I don't know. When I ask ktorrent to quit, it OUGHT to mean cease and desist (i.e. stop) all operations. If that is NOT what it does, then it is a flaw.
I tried to check the program's official website. Not only has the site vanished, the subdomain it's supposed to be on is gone as well.
See
I didn't mean to imply that the project was dead, just that the site was gone. ___
The site that is gone is ktorrent.org
Apparently, it was not supported by kde.org, and so, it lost funding.
Wikipedia still lists http://ktorrent.pwsp.net/ as the official website. I'll be happy to correct it if you'll give me the correct url.
I do not have any other URL. But since ktorrent.org is no longer available, you could set up ktorrent.org as a mirror for https://www.kde.org/applications/internet/ktorrent/ Problem with the kde.org site is that it provides no rpms. It would be nice if other people who know how to build rpms from raw source join you to provide them for other distros besides Redhat/Fedora
On 11/22/2016 05:11 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: <>
Wikipedia still lists http://ktorrent.pwsp.net/ as the official website. I'll be happy to correct it if you'll give me the correct url.
wikipedia is slow about updating pages. it is all voluntary writes and some drop out.
if you wish to help, start here;
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Answers
click "Volunteering".
On 11/22/2016 06:02 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/22/2016 03:50 PM, geo.inbox.ignored wrote:
wikipedia is slow about updating pages. it is all voluntary writes and some drop out.
Indeed. However, there's nothing to stop me from editing the page to correct the link except not knowing what to put there.
hhmmm. i thought some one posted something about that.
On 11/22/2016 04:02 PM, jd1008 wrote:
On 11/22/2016 05:45 AM, geo.inbox.ignored wrote:
On 11/20/2016 03:06 PM, jd1008 wrote:
FYI.
Quiting ktorrent does not cause ktorrent to exit. After I quit, I run ps -ef | grep ktorrent and it is still running long after I quit.
hi jd.
it has been years when last ran a torrent download. do not recall about problems in terminating, other than someone was pulling from me.
are you sure all operations are finished? how do you have 'configure shutdown' set? are any 'events' still running? any plugins still running? are you running log files?
think about running 'wireshark', or some other analyzer to watch traffic.
running 'kde system monitor' and watching 'system load' is an easy way to see ups/downs'. 'process table' will show you when it actually stops running, select 'memory' and 'own processes'.
Well, I don't know. When I ask ktorrent to quit, it OUGHT to mean cease and desist (i.e. stop) all operations. If that is NOT what it does, then it is a flaw.
maybe yes, maybe no. maybe ktorrent is written to finish any active operations before program closes. such as, some 1, 2, or 3 others are pulling from you.
if you totally shut down on some, anyone pulling from you has to find another site to pull. such would increase total time for other user.
concept of torrent is to find a _close_ site to pull from, thereby decreasing pull time.
example. you need a 5GB file that is at a far off remote site that is only available over 10 hops and each hop is at 10MB.
via torrent, there are 20 sites, where each is 4 hops at 600MB.
which would you rather pull from?
what is going to happen if 5 of those sites shut down on you?
one of the torrent programs i have used showed, by default, the various sites i was connected to, speed, bytes pulled. during the pull, sites would drop out and be replaced, speed would go up and down. i found it interesting to watch. not important, but interesting.
torrent is all about sharing the load and gaining speed.
On 11/22/2016 04:35 PM, geo.inbox.ignored wrote:
On 11/22/2016 04:02 PM, jd1008 wrote:
On 11/22/2016 05:45 AM, geo.inbox.ignored wrote:
On 11/20/2016 03:06 PM, jd1008 wrote:
FYI.
Quiting ktorrent does not cause ktorrent to exit. After I quit, I run ps -ef | grep ktorrent and it is still running long after I quit.
hi jd.
it has been years when last ran a torrent download. do not recall about problems in terminating, other than someone was pulling from me.
are you sure all operations are finished? how do you have 'configure shutdown' set? are any 'events' still running? any plugins still running? are you running log files?
think about running 'wireshark', or some other analyzer to watch traffic.
running 'kde system monitor' and watching 'system load' is an easy way to see ups/downs'. 'process table' will show you when it actually stops running, select 'memory' and 'own processes'.
Well, I don't know. When I ask ktorrent to quit, it OUGHT to mean cease and desist (i.e. stop) all operations. If that is NOT what it does, then it is a flaw.
maybe yes, maybe no. maybe ktorrent is written to finish any active operations before program closes. such as, some 1, 2, or 3 others are pulling from you.
if you totally shut down on some, anyone pulling from you has to find another site to pull. such would increase total time for other user.
concept of torrent is to find a _close_ site to pull from, thereby decreasing pull time.
example. you need a 5GB file that is at a far off remote site that is only available over 10 hops and each hop is at 10MB.
via torrent, there are 20 sites, where each is 4 hops at 600MB.
which would you rather pull from?
what is going to happen if 5 of those sites shut down on you?
one of the torrent programs i have used showed, by default, the various sites i was connected to, speed, bytes pulled. during the pull, sites would drop out and be replaced, speed would go up and down. i found it interesting to watch. not important, but interesting.
torrent is all about sharing the load and gaining speed.
Sorry to say you are making too many assertions not supported by actual facts. maybe this or maybe that just does not cut it. a torrent client must be coded to terminate downloads and uploads when the quite is executed. Otherwise, the user is deceived into thinking that his network bandwidth will now be more available for other network activity.
On 11/22/2016 05:48 PM, jd1008 wrote:
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Sorry to say you are making too many assertions not supported by actual facts. maybe this or maybe that just does not cut it. a torrent client must be coded to terminate downloads and uploads when the quite is executed.
excuse me. i did not know you had source code and have read it.
that being said, maybe you should debug ktorrent, find out why it is not working as you wish, release a new version and call it "JDtorrent".
LOL.
Otherwise, the user is deceived into thinking that his network bandwidth will now be more available for other network activity.
there is something in the docs that tell you this? hard to believe.
how would you like it if you were pulling 'file' in my previous post to you and all others did a total shutdown?
now that you know that ktorrent does not meet all your desires, next time you pull what you want, 'kill' it, do not try to just make it quit.
also, open ktorrent, from main menu, select;
Help > About Ktorrent > Authors
their names and email addresses are shown, write them and bitch about how crappy you think their program is. maybe they will re-write it to your liking. ;=)
On Tue, 2016-11-22 at 15:02 -0700, jd1008 wrote:
Well, I don't know. When I ask ktorrent to quit, it OUGHT to mean cease and desist (i.e. stop) all operations. If that is NOT what it does, then it is a flaw.
You still haven't said *how* you were attempting to quit the program.
The little X in the corner of a program window simply *closes* that interface. Some programs *may* quit, as well, since working with that interface was the sole purpose of the program. Other programs do not. They're not meant to. You're only closing the interface, not stopping them.
Various file-sharing programs work that way (the interface is independent of the background tasks), some media players work that way, too. Download managers built into web browsers work that way, you can close them if you don't want to watch the progress of file transfers, and the files will continue to download.
*YOU* need to learn how particular software works. It wasn't hard for me to figure out how a torrent software program did that, it only took me a moment to tell that the interface merely went away if closed.
On 11/20/2016 03:06 PM, jd1008 wrote:
FYI.
Quiting ktorrent does not cause ktorrent to exit. After I quit, I run ps -ef | grep ktorrent and it is still running long after I quit.
hi jd.
it has been years when last ran a torrent download. do not recall about problems in terminating, other than someone was pulling from me.
are you sure all operations are finished? how do you have 'configure shutdown' set? are any 'events' still running? any plugins still running? are you running log files?
think about running 'wireshark', or some other analyzer to watch traffic.
running 'kde system monitor' and watching 'system load' is an easy way to see ups/downs'. 'process table' will show you when it actually stops running, select 'memory' and 'own processes'.
much luck.
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