why are single quotes printed as Gamma C cedilla O umlaut?

[sean darcy]

if I lpr a text file the open single quotes three characters:

Capital greek gamma ; uppercase C with a cedilla ; lowercase 
y with an umlaut

Close singe quotes are :

Capital greek gamma ; uppercase C with a cedilla ; uppercase 
  O with an umluat.

Open double quotes are:

capital greek gamma; uppercase C with a cedilla ; english 
sterling sign

Close double quotes are:

capital greek gamma; uppercase C with a cedilla ; yen sign

less shows the text correctly. I'm on fc4.

sean

[Tony Nelson]

At 2:13 PM -0400 10/2/05, sean wrote:
> if I lpr a text file the open single quotes three characters:
>
> Capital greek gamma ; uppercase C with a cedilla ; lowercase
> y with an umlaut
>
> Close singe quotes are :
>
> Capital greek gamma ; uppercase C with a cedilla ; uppercase
>  O with an umluat.
>
> Open double quotes are:
>
> capital greek gamma; uppercase C with a cedilla ; english
> sterling sign
>
> Close double quotes are:
>
> capital greek gamma; uppercase C with a cedilla ; yen sign
>
> less shows the text correctly. I'm on fc4.
>
> sean

You have some sort of mismatch with the charset (usually language
settings).  The text file is in Unicode UTF-8, which less is expecting,
while lpr or the printer is using some old 8-bit codepage (Microsoft calls
it OEM 437).  Try to get lpr or the printer onto the same page, accepting
UTF-8.  Check man lpr and the CUPS documentation it links to; possibly
/etc/cups/cupsd.conf has a DefaultCharset set away from the default
"utf-8".  Or maybe it's some other part of CUPS.

Also, whatever made the text file has "smartened" the quotes; being a
computer and having no smarts at all, the result is bad even when displayed
"properly".
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[sean darcy]

Tony Nelson wrote:
> At 2:13 PM -0400 10/2/05, sean wrote:
> > if I lpr a text file the open single quotes three characters:
> >
> > Capital greek gamma ; uppercase C with a cedilla ; lowercase
> > y with an umlaut
> >
> > Close singe quotes are :
> >
> > Capital greek gamma ; uppercase C with a cedilla ; uppercase
> > O with an umluat.
> >
> > Open double quotes are:
> >
> > capital greek gamma; uppercase C with a cedilla ; english
> > sterling sign
> >
> > Close double quotes are:
> >
> > capital greek gamma; uppercase C with a cedilla ; yen sign
> >
> > less shows the text correctly. I'm on fc4.
> >
> > sean
>
> You have some sort of mismatch with the charset (usually language
> settings).  The text file is in Unicode UTF-8, which less is expecting,
> while lpr or the printer is using some old 8-bit codepage (Microsoft calls
> it OEM 437).  Try to get lpr or the printer onto the same page, accepting
> UTF-8.  Check man lpr and the CUPS documentation it links to; possibly
> /etc/cups/cupsd.conf has a DefaultCharset set away from the default
> "utf-8".  Or maybe it's some other part of CUPS.

Ok. set ( really uncommented ) cupsd.conf DefaultCharset 
utf-8   ( which is supposed to be the default).  Restarted cups.
> Also, whatever made the text file has "smartened" the quotes; being a
> computer and having no smarts at all, the result is bad even when displayed
> "properly".

The text is the ssh_config man page - man ssd_config | lpr. 
Same result.

sean

[Tony Nelson]

At 7:01 PM -0400 10/3/05, sean wrote:
> Tony Nelson wrote:
> > At 2:13 PM -0400 10/2/05, sean wrote:
> > > if I lpr a text file the open single quotes three characters:
> > >
> > > Capital greek gamma ; uppercase C with a cedilla ; lowercase
> > > y with an umlaut
> > >
> > > Close singe quotes are :
> > >
> > > Capital greek gamma ; uppercase C with a cedilla ; uppercase
> > > O with an umluat.
> > >
> > > Open double quotes are:
> > >
> > > capital greek gamma; uppercase C with a cedilla ; english
> > > sterling sign
> > >
> > > Close double quotes are:
> > >
> > > capital greek gamma; uppercase C with a cedilla ; yen sign
> > >
> > > less shows the text correctly. I'm on fc4.
> > >
> > > sean
> >
> > You have some sort of mismatch with the charset (usually language
> > settings).  The text file is in Unicode UTF-8, which less is expecting,
> > while lpr or the printer is using some old 8-bit codepage (Microsoft calls
> > it OEM 437).  Try to get lpr or the printer onto the same page, accepting
> > UTF-8.  Check man lpr and the CUPS documentation it links to; possibly
> > /etc/cups/cupsd.conf has a DefaultCharset set away from the default
> > "utf-8".  Or maybe it's some other part of CUPS.
>
> Ok. set ( really uncommented ) cupsd.conf DefaultCharset
> utf-8   ( which is supposed to be the default).  Restarted cups.

I take it that didn't change anything?
> > Also, whatever made the text file has "smartened" the quotes; being a
> > computer and having no smarts at all, the result is bad even when displayed
> > "properly".
>
> The text is the ssh_config man page - man ssd_config | lpr.
> Same result.

Yeah, man bash has the same problem: a "smart" formatting package changes
the literal single and double ASCII quotes in the source to something
prettier for man to display.
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[sean darcy]

Tony Nelson wrote:
> At 7:01 PM -0400 10/3/05, sean wrote:
> > Tony Nelson wrote:
> > > At 2:13 PM -0400 10/2/05, sean wrote:
> > > > if I lpr a text file the open single quotes three characters:
> > > >
> > > > Capital greek gamma ; uppercase C with a cedilla ; lowercase
> > > > y with an umlaut
> > > >
> > > > Close singe quotes are :
> > > >
> > > > Capital greek gamma ; uppercase C with a cedilla ; uppercase
> > > > O with an umluat.
> > > >
> > > > Open double quotes are:
> > > >
> > > > capital greek gamma; uppercase C with a cedilla ; english
> > > > sterling sign
> > > >
> > > > Close double quotes are:
> > > >
> > > > capital greek gamma; uppercase C with a cedilla ; yen sign
> > > >
> > > > less shows the text correctly. I'm on fc4.
> > > >
> > > > sean
> > >
> > > You have some sort of mismatch with the charset (usually language
> > > settings).  The text file is in Unicode UTF-8, which less is expecting,
> > > while lpr or the printer is using some old 8-bit codepage (Microsoft calls
> > > it OEM 437).  Try to get lpr or the printer onto the same page, accepting
> > > UTF-8.  Check man lpr and the CUPS documentation it links to; possibly
> > > /etc/cups/cupsd.conf has a DefaultCharset set away from the default
> > > "utf-8".  Or maybe it's some other part of CUPS.
> >
> > Ok. set ( really uncommented ) cupsd.conf DefaultCharset
> > utf-8   ( which is supposed to be the default).  Restarted cups.
>
> I take it that didn't change anything?

Right. I should have been clearer.
> > > Also, whatever made the text file has "smartened" the quotes; being a
> > > computer and having no smarts at all, the result is bad even when displayed
> > > "properly".
> >
> > The text is the ssh_config man page - man ssd_config | lpr.
> > Same result.
>
> Yeah, man bash has the same problem: a "smart" formatting package changes
> the literal single and double ASCII quotes in the source to something
> prettier for man to display.

But if utf-8 can't display the charcter set, what can?

sean

[Tony Nelson]

At 10:49 AM -0400 10/5/05, sean wrote:
> > > > > if I lpr a text file the open single quotes three characters:
> > > > >
> > > > > Capital greek gamma ; uppercase C with a cedilla ; lowercase
> > > > > y with an umlaut

...
> > > > > less shows the text correctly. I'm on fc4.

...
> But if utf-8 can't display the charcter set, what can?

utf-8 can do it -- you saw it do it in less -- so lpr must not be using
utf-8, no matter what the default or what you set.  I don't know why.
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