Re: PSA: Do not run 'dnf update' inside GNOME, KDE or any other graphical desktop on Fedora 24
On 4 October 2016 at 16:51, Adam Williamson adamwill@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Running the update process inside a desktop just gives it all the more opportunity to crash somehow. If the terminal app crashes, the update crashes. If the desktop crashes, the update crashes.
I don't want to get in the KDE folks' bad graces, but this likely could also affect KDE's graphical update system, so I'd advise against using that for the present too.
Maybe I've just been lucky but I run dnf on a daily basis in a Konsole terminal window (under KDE) and have never seen this kind of problem. I don't use the graphical updater(s).
poc
On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
On 4 October 2016 at 16:51, Adam Williamson adamwill@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Running the update process inside a desktop just gives it all the more opportunity to crash somehow. If the terminal app crashes, the update crashes. If the desktop crashes, the update crashes.
I don't want to get in the KDE folks' bad graces, but this likely could also affect KDE's graphical update system, so I'd advise against using that for the present too.
Maybe I've just been lucky but I run dnf on a daily basis in a Konsole terminal window (under KDE) and have never seen this kind of problem. I don't use the graphical updater(s).
I also run dnf within the Konsole terminal window (under KDE) and haven't seen this issue. I also don't use the graphical updates. I've always found them to be a bit quirky.
On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
On 4 October 2016 at 16:51, Adam Williamson adamwill@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Running the update process inside a desktop just gives it all the more opportunity to crash somehow. If the terminal app crashes, the update crashes. If the desktop crashes, the update crashes.
I don't want to get in the KDE folks' bad graces, but this likely could also affect KDE's graphical update system, so I'd advise against using that for the present too.
Maybe I've just been lucky but I run dnf on a daily basis in a Konsole terminal window (under KDE) and have never seen this kind of problem. I don't use the graphical updater(s).
I do it also but I also take a snapshot of root first, and then I expect without warning that the GUI could just vanish and munge a bunch of things. It's a use case I expect to not work, even though it Works For Me™.
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Maybe I've just been lucky but I run dnf on a daily basis
in a Konsole
terminal window (under KDE) and have never seen this kind
of problem. I
don't use the graphical updater(s).
I run dnf in the KDE konsole, never the plasma update utility, at least once a day for years without a problem. I'm not against the software updater (apper?), but I like to see all of the messages (skipped packages, versions, repo that it comes from, dependencies, rpmnew/saved created, etc.), so that I can adjust the command, if necessary, before running it.
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