Slighty OT Laptop Recommendation

[Mark Panen]

Hi

Can anyone recommended a new Laptop to run on FC 3 with some specs ?

Please reply to list as i am a gmail user.

[Craig Thomas]

On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 10:09 +0200, Mark Panen wrote:
>  Can anyone recommended a new Laptop to run on FC 3 with some specs ?
http://www.emperorlinux.com/

Has some really nice machines.

Also:

http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux_laptops.html

I've read HP has starting selling a RH based model [model # escapes me
ATM].

Google is your friend:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=linux+laptop+&btnG=S...

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[Mike Hoy]

i'm curently researching laptops as well.

ibm's are highly recommended, but use ATI stuff. But they have the best 
keyboards and the owner of Emperor Linux told me flat out that anything 
after a T-21 is gonna work well with Linux. He also will  put LInux on 
your laptop for 350 bucks if it's a model that he uses in his store. His 
people write a special kernel just for the laptop and the distro you 
want. I believe he supports FC3. so if you buy a IBM t-21 or later and 
then have trouble you can pay them 350 bucks for an install and it comes 
with a recovery partition and a user's manual specific to your model and 
distro.

i think the price is too high personally. But the IBM is worth it. The 
keyboard alone has sold me.

I bought a compq r3000 presario and have it all working fine, but i 
wouldn't do it again had i had the chance to. he offered to install 
linux on it for me but said it would cost more thatn 350 bucks because 
he has no experience writing kernels for compaq/hp.

bottom line:

buy a IBM t-21 or later
or a dell with nvidia card
don't buy HP/Compaq - not that they're impossible to setup, mine works, 
but major headache
also check out emperor linux site and give them a call!
talk with the technician that answers the phone. they don't mind 
discussing which laptop you should buy if you may consider letting the 
isntall linux for you. It can be a real education.

[Charles E. "Rick" Taylor, IV]

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:49:26 -0700
Mike Hoy <mhoy4(a)cox.net&gt; wrote:

>  i'm curently researching laptops as well.
>  
>  ibm's are highly recommended, but use ATI stuff. But they have the best 
>  keyboards and the owner of Emperor Linux told me flat out that anything 
>  after a T-21 is gonna work well with Linux. 
Earlier IBMs work nearly as well as newer IBMs with Linux (though more
slowly :) ). The keyboards are first-rate (except the 760 series).  These
days, I'm partial to the Thinkpad X-series laptops, because I think the
point of having a laptop is lost if it's difficult to carry.

For Thinkpad advice, the best place to ask is the Thinkpad mailing list,
or see the linux-thinkpad mailing list:

http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad

Also, http://www.thinkwiki.org has some useful information

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[Jonathan Berry]

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:49:26 -0700, Mike Hoy <mhoy4(a)cox.net&gt; wrote:
[snip]
>  I bought a compq r3000 presario and have it all working fine, but i
>  wouldn't do it again had i had the chance to. he offered to install
>  linux on it for me but said it would cost more thatn 350 bucks because
>  he has no experience writing kernels for compaq/hp.
>  
>  bottom line:
>  
>  buy a IBM t-21 or later
>  or a dell with nvidia card
>  don't buy HP/Compaq - not that they're impossible to setup, mine works,
>  but major headache 
[snip]

I have an R3000Z and it works great with Linux.  There are several
types of R3000s: a P4 version, AMD Athlon XP version, and Athlon 64
version.  Mine is an AMD64 machine and works great with FC3 x86_64. 
There are a few issues, sure, but with a modern laptop there is almost
sure to be something that you will have to work out.  I have certainly
had no problems that were "major headache"s (Mike didn't say, but
maybe he has the P4 version, I don't know).  And many of the initial
problems have been worked out in recent BIOS updates and with time as
some issues are 64-bit specific (ndiswrapper only recently became
usable with 64-bit, for instance).  Anyway, the R3000 also has a
mailing list that I've posted here many times where most issues that
have come up have been solved.  Many people are using these machines
(especially the 64-bit ones) with Linux.  Don't count it out,
especially because of the 64-bit.

Jonathan

[James McKenzie]

Mike Hoy wrote:
>  i'm curently researching laptops as well.
>  
>  ibm's are highly recommended, but use ATI stuff. But they have the best 
>  keyboards and the owner of Emperor Linux told me flat out that anything 
>  after a T-21 is gonna work well with Linux. He also will  put LInux on 
>  your laptop for 350 bucks if it's a model that he uses in his store. His 
>  people write a special kernel just for the laptop and the distro you 
>  want. I believe he supports FC3. so if you buy a IBM t-21 or later and 
>  then have trouble you can pay them 350 bucks for an install and it comes 
>  with a recovery partition and a user's manual specific to your model and 
>  distro.
>   
I have one of the A22p's and it is what may be the last in a long line 
of Thinkpads going back about ten years.  I have a 600E, which was for a 
long time the only Thinkpad that IBM detailed RH installation.

>  i think the price is too high personally. But the IBM is worth it.
> The 
>  keyboard alone has sold me.
>   
I agree.  I had two 760's and both had less than high quality keyboards.

How about some info on Emperor Linux?  I am looking at a replacement and 
want Linux on it.  I can look at Dells and will take your advice.

-- 
James McKenzie

[Rick Stevens]

Mike Hoy wrote:
>  i'm curently researching laptops as well.
>  
>  ibm's are highly recommended, but use ATI stuff. But they have the best 
>  keyboards and the owner of Emperor Linux told me flat out that anything 
>  after a T-21 is gonna work well with Linux. He also will  put LInux on 
>  your laptop for 350 bucks if it's a model that he uses in his store. His 
>  people write a special kernel just for the laptop and the distro you 
>  want. I believe he supports FC3. so if you buy a IBM t-21 or later and 
>  then have trouble you can pay them 350 bucks for an install and it comes 
>  with a recovery partition and a user's manual specific to your model and 
>  distro.
>  
>  i think the price is too high personally. But the IBM is worth it. The 
>  keyboard alone has sold me.
>  
>  I bought a compq r3000 presario and have it all working fine, but i 
>  wouldn't do it again had i had the chance to. he offered to install 
>  linux on it for me but said it would cost more thatn 350 bucks because 
>  he has no experience writing kernels for compaq/hp.
>  
>  bottom line:
>  
>  buy a IBM t-21 or later
>  or a dell with nvidia card
>  don't buy HP/Compaq - not that they're impossible to setup, mine works, 
>  but major headache
>  also check out emperor linux site and give them a call!
>  talk with the technician that answers the phone. they don't mind 
>  discussing which laptop you should buy if you may consider letting the 
>  isntall linux for you. It can be a real education. 
I'm using a Fujitsu Lifebook C2220.  Works great under FC3 except for
the need for ndiswrapper to drive the Broadcom wireless.
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ndiswrapper Broadcom wireless (was: Slighty OT Laptop Recommendation)

[Mike Hoy]

>  I'm using a Fujitsu Lifebook C2220. Works great under FC3 except
> for
>  the need for ndiswrapper to drive the Broadcom wireless. 
I was wondering if you have the same broacom card I do?

my card:
Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN



mike h

ndiswrapper Broadcom wireless (was: Slighty OT Laptop Recommendation)

[Steve Fink]

Mike,

I have that one in my Dell.

02:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g
Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)

It works fine with ndiswrapper and the Dell driver.  I've even had other
people run the Dell driver for the BCM4306 on other manufacturers
hardware.

Best,

Steve

On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 18:50 -0700, Mike Hoy wrote:
>  > I'm using a Fujitsu Lifebook C2220. Works great under FC3
> except for
>  > the need for ndiswrapper to drive the Broadcom wireless.
>  
>  I was wondering if you have the same broacom card I do?
>  
>  my card:
>  Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN
>  
>  
>  
>  mike h
>

ndiswrapper Broadcom wireless (was: Slighty OT Laptop Recommendation)

[Jeff Vian]

On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 19:01 -0700, Steve Fink wrote:
>  Mike,
>  
>  I have that one in my Dell.
>  
>  02:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g
>  Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
>  
>  It works fine with ndiswrapper and the Dell driver.  I've even had other
>  people run the Dell driver for the BCM4306 on other manufacturers
>  hardware.
>   
The dell driver for the broadcom chip is not really dell's driver.
AFAIK broadcom provides it. so it would not be restricted to a dell
platform.

>  Best,
>  
>  Steve
>  
>  On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 18:50 -0700, Mike Hoy wrote:
>  > > I'm using a Fujitsu Lifebook C2220. Works great under FC3 except for
>  > > the need for ndiswrapper to drive the Broadcom wireless.
>  > 
>  > I was wondering if you have the same broacom card I do?
>  > 
>  > my card:
>  > Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > mike h
>  > 
>  
>

ndiswrapper Broadcom wireless (was: Slighty OT Laptop Recommendation)

[Steve Fink]

On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 07:27 -0600, Jeff Vian wrote:
>  On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 19:01 -0700, Steve Fink wrote:
>  > Mike,
>  > 
>  > I have that one in my Dell.
>  >  
Jeff,

Yes you are right, all roads lead to the source, but the version that
Dell distributes works with ndiswrapper where other hardware vendors
versions have failed on the same hardware with the same version of
ndiswrapper.  I merely recommend trying the Dell version if nothing else
works.

Best,

Steve

ndiswrapper Broadcom wireless (was: Slighty OT Laptop Recommendation)

[Jeff Vian]

On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 08:13 -0700, Steve Fink wrote:
>  On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 07:27 -0600, Jeff Vian wrote:
>  > On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 19:01 -0700, Steve Fink wrote:
>  > > Mike,
>  > > 
>  > > I have that one in my Dell.
>  > > 
>  
>  Jeff,
>  
>  Yes you are right, all roads lead to the source, but the version that
>  Dell distributes works with ndiswrapper where other hardware vendors
>  versions have failed on the same hardware with the same version of
>  ndiswrapper.  I merely recommend trying the Dell version if nothing else
>  works.
>  
>  Best,
>  
>  Steve
>   
Yeah, that is one of the wonders of the OEM drivers.  Most modify the
original so the installer only works with "their" machine and you then
only have one source to find updates/replacements.


>  
>

[Richard Humphrey]

While it is a bit clunky in size and weight, my Thinkpad G40 works
really well running FC3.


On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:10:01 -0800, Rick Stevens
<rstevens(a)vitalstream.com&gt; wrote:
>  Mike Hoy wrote:
>  > i'm curently researching laptops as well.
>  >
>  > ibm's are highly recommended, but use ATI stuff. But they have the best
>  > keyboards and the owner of Emperor Linux told me flat out that anything
>  > after a T-21 is gonna work well with Linux. He also will  put LInux on
>  > your laptop for 350 bucks if it's a model that he uses in his store. His
>  > people write a special kernel just for the laptop and the distro you
>  > want. I believe he supports FC3. so if you buy a IBM t-21 or later and
>  > then have trouble you can pay them 350 bucks for an install and it comes
>  > with a recovery partition and a user's manual specific to your model and
>  > distro.
>  >
>  > i think the price is too high personally. But the IBM is worth it. The
>  > keyboard alone has sold me.
>  >
>  > I bought a compq r3000 presario and have it all working fine, but i
>  > wouldn't do it again had i had the chance to. he offered to install
>  > linux on it for me but said it would cost more thatn 350 bucks because
>  > he has no experience writing kernels for compaq/hp.
>  >
>  > bottom line:
>  >
>  > buy a IBM t-21 or later
>  > or a dell with nvidia card
>  > don't buy HP/Compaq - not that they're impossible to setup, mine works,
>  > but major headache
>  > also check out emperor linux site and give them a call!
>  > talk with the technician that answers the phone. they don't mind
>  > discussing which laptop you should buy if you may consider letting the
>  > isntall linux for you. It can be a real education.
>  
>  I'm using a Fujitsu Lifebook C2220.  Works great under FC3 except for
>  the need for ndiswrapper to drive the Broadcom wireless.
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[Matt Morgan]

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:09:05 +0200, Mark Panen <mark.panen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hi
>  
>  Can anyone recommended a new Laptop to run on FC 3 with some specs ?
>  
>  Please reply to list as i am a gmail user. 
I see a lot of people on this list who use Dell laptops, in particular
the Latitude line. I have a Latitude D500, and it works very well
under FC3. It's a little on the older side, maybe 18 months old, but
probably newer ones work fine, too. You can, of course, get them in a
variety of specs depending on how much you want to spend.