cups is the worst software....

[François Patte]

Bonjour,

I have several computers at home and one with an usr-printer attached.

I struggled sometimes to configure cups on other computers to use this 
printer. Now I upgraded to f34, and the configuration no longer works: 
"printer is misconfigured or no longer exists" is the answer if I send a 
test page....

After deleting the printer, I try to use the discovery tool in the 
administration page of cups (localhost:631) and it find the printer 
attached to my main computer but at the end of the configuration, when I 
try to print a test page, the answer is the same:
"printer is misconfigured or no longer exists"

This tool also finds old printers I configured many years ago and which 
(really) non longer exist...

What to do?

Thank you.

[Dorian ROSSE]

Hello,

Have you tried to check if the IP attached to the printer by TCP / IP settings are kept ?

At home with cups i was oblige to leave the printer in the windows of settings ok windows ten of printer for add a kind of printer typed network,

I hope help,

Regards.

Dorian Rosse.

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From: François Patte 
Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 12:03:15 PM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: cups is the worst software....

Bonjour,

I have several computers at home and one with an usr-printer attached.

I struggled sometimes to configure cups on other computers to use this
printer. Now I upgraded to f34, and the configuration no longer works:
"printer is misconfigured or no longer exists" is the answer if I send a
test page....

After deleting the printer, I try to use the discovery tool in the
administration page of cups (localhost:631) and it find the printer
attached to my main computer but at the end of the configuration, when I
try to print a test page, the answer is the same:
"printer is misconfigured or no longer exists"

This tool also finds old printers I configured many years ago and which
(really) non longer exist...

What to do?

Thank you.

--
François Patte
UFR de mathématiques et informatique
Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145
Université Paris Descartes
45, rue des Saints Pères
F-75270 Paris Cedex 06
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On 07/09/2021 12.03, François Patte wrote:
> Bonjour,
>
> I have several computers at home and one with an usr-printer attached.
>
> I struggled sometimes to configure cups on other computers to use this 
> printer. Now I upgraded to f34, and the configuration no longer works: 
> "printer is misconfigured or no longer exists" is the answer if I send a 
> test page....
>
> After deleting the printer, I try to use the discovery tool in the 
> administration page of cups (localhost:631) and it find the printer 
> attached to my main computer but at the end of the configuration, when I 
> try to print a test page, the answer is the same:
> "printer is misconfigured or no longer exists"
>
> This tool also finds old printers I configured many years ago and which 
> (really) non longer exist...
>
> What to do?
>
> Thank you.

Hi Fronçois
To configure a printer, never use cups, never use localhost:631.

Instead install system-config-printer, it will appear under 
Applications-> Administration -> Print Settings.
There configure your Network Printers.
The printers will work with many applications, however, there are other 
applications, wich give me the "Filter failed" error message.

suomi

[George N. White III]

On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 07:05, François Patte <
[e-mail]> wrote:
> Bonjour,
>
> I have several computers at home and one with an usr-printer attached.
>
> I struggled sometimes to configure cups on other computers to use this
> printer. Now I upgraded to f34, and the configuration no longer works:
> "printer is misconfigured or no longer exists" is the answer if I send a
> test page....
>
> After deleting the printer, I try to use the discovery tool in the
> administration page of cups (localhost:631) and it find the printer
> attached to my main computer but at the end of the configuration, when I
> try to print a test page, the answer is the same:
> "printer is misconfigured or no longer exists"

Saying CUPS is the worst software is like saying my dead horse is the
worse horse.

CUPS is no longer the "Swiss Army Knife" of printing.  It is still used
"under the hood", but the end of PPD support was announced over
a year ago https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/15/apple_cups_develoment/.
Apple CUPS development seems to have ended, but there is a fork. Going
forward IPP Everywhere https://www.pwg.org/ipp/everywhere.html
(intended to support printing without drivers and originated to support
mobile devices), is proposed to replace the use of PPD's.   I'm not sure
where this leaves legacy printers that pre-date IPP Everywhere.

[Tom Horsley]

On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 13:24:33 -0300
George N. White III wrote:
> I'm not sure
> where this leaves legacy printers that pre-date IPP Everywhere.

All I know is that it takes me forever to get the printer working in
my Window virtual machine once a year at tax time. It needs to
use the fedora host to print to the fedora USB attached printer
and sometimes I can get Windows to talk to cups and other times
I have to share the printer under samba and have windows talk to
it that way, but under no circumstances does the printer config
I had setup 2 fedora releases ago at the last tax time ever work
in the new tax time (and there are usually new windows updates
since the last time as well, so who knows where the problem
originates :-).

[Tim]

I'm really not that surprised, printing is one of the most diabolical
things in computing.  Virtually every printer is different.  Even
printers by the same manufacturer.  Mostly made to work on the current
version of Windows, with a specialist driver that may not ever be
updated (no bug fixes, and mayn't work on your next OS release), to
deal with the manufacturing shortcomings in the printer, as well as the
different way each model works.  You're virtually expected to throw it
away and buy a new one when you cannot use your existing printer with
whatever new computer system you're using.

I've long since come to the conclusions that old office printers are
the best, they're built like a tank and have large capacity ink/toner
and paper hoppers.  And, if you print from more than one device, you
want a printer that connects directly to your network.  It's no-longer
dependent on a server computer running all the time, and each thing
that wants to print only needs to be problem-solved regarding itself
and the printer.

In the past, I found it best to have a server handle all the printing
needs for my network.  Everything that wanted to print was a Fedora
installation bar one Windows 2000 PC (and it could happily use IPP with
my CUPS server).

But, trying to do printing via SMB sharing just adds a whole extra load
of headaches.  You have a third networking protocol to deal with, too,
plus all the Windows PCs either wanting to find the driver through a
SMB share (which you have to figure out), or needing individual drivers
manually installed on each Windows PC.

[Dorian ROSSE]

This is always better cups instead go-asm

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Cc: Tim 
Subject: Re: cups is the worst software....

I'm really not that surprised, printing is one of the most diabolical
things in computing.  Virtually every printer is different.  Even
printers by the same manufacturer.  Mostly made to work on the current
version of Windows, with a specialist driver that may not ever be
updated (no bug fixes, and mayn't work on your next OS release), to
deal with the manufacturing shortcomings in the printer, as well as the
different way each model works.  You're virtually expected to throw it
away and buy a new one when you cannot use your existing printer with
whatever new computer system you're using.

I've long since come to the conclusions that old office printers are
the best, they're built like a tank and have large capacity ink/toner
and paper hoppers.  And, if you print from more than one device, you
want a printer that connects directly to your network.  It's no-longer
dependent on a server computer running all the time, and each thing
that wants to print only needs to be problem-solved regarding itself
and the printer.

In the past, I found it best to have a server handle all the printing
needs for my network.  Everything that wanted to print was a Fedora
installation bar one Windows 2000 PC (and it could happily use IPP with
my CUPS server).

But, trying to do printing via SMB sharing just adds a whole extra load
of headaches.  You have a third networking protocol to deal with, too,
plus all the Windows PCs either wanting to find the driver through a
SMB share (which you have to figure out), or needing individual drivers
manually installed on each Windows PC.
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