Anti-Evolution rant.

[Bill Case]

Hi;
Just getting some stuff about the Evolution program off my chest.  If I
can get some suggestions along the way that would be a bonus.

The only use I had for WindowsXP was using Outlook to print out my
calendar.  My Windows harddisk died a month ago.  It was due;it was old.
But now I have to completely rely on Evolution.

Evolution would do me just fine if I could get my calendar printed the
way I am used to and the way I want.  I no longer have any PIM devices
and do I want them.  I find devices just interfere with a face-to-face
conversation.  I want a piece of paper on which I can write quick notes
to myself without losing eye contact.  Old fashioned -- may be -- but it
is what works for me.  Windows Outlook used to give me my piece of paper
tasks, appointments and all, that I could fold up and carry in my hip or
shirt pocket.

Three years ago I filled a Request for Enhancement through Gnome
Bugzilla.

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470934

I seemed to have received some interest at the time so I filed a full
description with diagrams for that bug report.  Nothing.

I have even offered to learn enough about Evolution programming to
create it myself.  I asked for some advice on how I should get started.
(They seemed to be making programming changes at the time).  I thought
needed some simple advice just to get started particularly for creating
print forms.  Should it be a plugin?  Can I do what I want as a Plugin?
Got nothing.

Now I am on a search for a replacement for Evolution that lets me have
some control over calendar print out forms. Can anybody help?

[Genes MailLists]

On 03/20/2011 02:19 PM, William Case wrote:
> Now I am on a search for a replacement for Evolution that lets me have
> some control over calendar print out forms. Can anybody help?

May or may not be what you want - have you tried google calendar ?

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno dom, 20/03/2011 alle 14.36 -0400, Genes MailLists ha scritto:
> have you tried google calendar

wow! a new apps open source?
An apps witch I can install on my server?

Show me where I can download the source an I install on my server an use
it.

Thanks

[Dotan Cohen]

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 22:42, Dario Lesca  wrote:
> Il giorno dom, 20/03/2011 alle 14.36 -0400, Genes MailLists ha scritto:
> > have you tried google calendar
>
> wow! a new apps open source?
> An apps witch I can install on my server?
>
> Show me where I can download the source an I install on my server an use
> it.
>
> Thanks

I also moved to Google Calendar after getting fed up with the KDE PIM
suite (and filing tens of bugs on it). It is not open source, and you
can't install it on your server. That said, you can:
1) Back up all your data in csv or *cal files.
2) Sync with open-source applications such as KDE PIM, Lightning and
possibly Evolution.
3) Sync with almost any cellphone (specifically my Symbian-powered N86).
4) Access the data from any internet-connected web browser.

I fail to see the downside in it not being open source seeing how the
data can be exported.

[Bulk] Re: Anti-Evolution rant.

[Bill Case]

On Sun, 2011-03-20 at 14:36 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
> On 03/20/2011 02:19 PM, William Case wrote:
> > Now I am on a search for a replacement for Evolution that lets me have
> > some control over calendar print out forms. Can anybody help?
>
> May or may not be what you want - have you tried google calendar ?

Yes.  Gave google calendar a through look to day.  It is not what I
need.

[JB]

William Case <billlinux <at> rogers.com> writes:
> ... 
> Now I am on a search for a replacement for Evolution that lets me have
> some control over calendar print out forms. Can anybody help?

Why not start with:
$ yum search calendar
$ yum info <name>

JB

[Bill Case]

JB;

On Sun, 2011-03-20 at 18:44 +0000, JB wrote:
> William Case <billlinux <at> rogers.com> writes:
> > ... 
> > Now I am on a search for a replacement for Evolution that lets me have
> > some control over calendar print out forms. Can anybody help?
>
> Why not start with:
> $ yum search calendar
> $ yum info <name>

I did start with a yum search.  That's what produced the rant.

[JB]

William Case <billlinux <at> rogers.com> writes:
> JB;
>
> On Sun, 2011-03-20 at 18:44 +0000, JB wrote:
> > William Case <billlinux <at> rogers.com> writes:
> > > ... 
> > > Now I am on a search for a replacement for Evolution that lets me have
> > > some control over calendar print out forms. Can anybody help?
> >
> > Why not start with:
> > $ yum search calendar
> > $ yum info <name>
>
> I did start with a yum search.  That's what produced the rant.

This one looks very promising.
$ yum info thunderbird-lightning

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/lightning/
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/lightning/screenshot.html

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/lightning/
note the right side column:
  Often used with…

JB

[JB]

JB <jb.1234abcd <at> gmail.com> writes:
> ...

This one looks like a well designed (modular) and good-looking app.
Configurable. Clean GUI.
Good web site, screenshots.
It has a broad users base.

$ yum info osmo

http://clayo.org/osmo/

JB

[Suvayu Ali]

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:22 PM, JB  wrote:
> JB <jb.1234abcd <at> gmail.com> writes:
> > ...
>
> This one looks like a well designed (modular) and good-looking app.
> Configurable. Clean GUI.
> Good web site, screenshots.
> It has a broad users base.
>
> $ yum info osmo
>
> http://clayo.org/osmo/

Disclaimer: I haven't used it

Taskwarrior is also a very nice command line utility written in LUA.
http://taskwarrior.org/projects/show/taskwarrior

[Suvayu Ali]

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM, William Case  wrote:
> Now I am on a search for a replacement for Evolution that lets me have
> some control over calendar print out forms. Can anybody help?

I have an unorthodox suggestion, if you are an emacs user you should try
org-mode[1]. It can be a PIM, a publishing system, a personal note
taker, a literate programming platform and much more. There are several
screencasts demonstrating its capabilities[2], you can see them and
decide if it is worth the effort for you.

I hope this is of some help to you.

Footnotes:

[1] http://orgmode.org/

[2] http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-screencasts/index.html

[Bill Case]

Thanks;
On Sun, 2011-03-20 at 11:58 -0700, suvayu ali wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM, William Case  wrote:
> > Now I am on a search for a replacement for Evolution that lets me have
> > some control over calendar print out forms. Can anybody help?
>
> I have an unorthodox suggestion, if you are an emacs user you should try
> org-mode[1]. It can be a PIM, a publishing system, a personal note
> taker, a literate programming platform and much more. There are several
> screencasts demonstrating its capabilities[2], you can see them and
> decide if it is worth the effort for you.

I had looked at org-mode during its development phase.  I'll look again
to see what kind of final print format I can create.

[Suvayu Ali]

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:36 PM, William Case  wrote:
> I had looked at org-mode during its development phase.  I'll look again
> to see what kind of final print format I can create.

I don't print my agenda but I do export my other notes and journal paper
drafts into pdf and print. there are similar options to customise agenda
export. Supported formats are plain text, html, pdf, postscript and
iCalendar files. You can look at the possibilities in the orgmode
manual[1].

If you do end up trying it, I would recommend using the latest release
as the pace of development is very fast and the version shipped with
emacs although recent in human years is very old in org years. ;) If
compiling yourself is too much hassle for you, you can try the nightly
tarballs available from elpa[2].

I hope you find the above information useful.

GL :)

Footnotes:

[1] http://orgmode.org/manual/Exporting-Agenda-Views.html
[2] http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.html#installing-from-elpa-tarball

[Bill Case]

Hi;

On Sun, 2011-03-20 at 14:19 -0400, William Case wrote:
> Hi;
> Just getting some stuff about the Evolution program off my chest.  If I
> can get some suggestions along the way that would be a bonus.

I have received some suggestions to try Thunderbird off list.  I tried
Thunderbird several years ago.  It didn't do what I wanted then but I am
going to give it another try.

I realize this is about old stuff -- printed paper forms -- and
therefore I am unlikely to find what I want.  That is why I stuck with M
$ Outlook so long after dumping everything else Windows.

[Armelius Cameron]

On Sunday, March 20, 2011 04:46:41 pm William Case wrote:
> Hi;
>
> On Sun, 2011-03-20 at 14:19 -0400, William Case wrote:
> > Hi;
> > Just getting some stuff about the Evolution program off my chest.  If I
> > can get some suggestions along the way that would be a bonus.
>
> I have received some suggestions to try Thunderbird off list.  I tried
> Thunderbird several years ago.  It didn't do what I wanted then but I am
> going to give it another try.
>
> I realize this is about old stuff -- printed paper forms -- and
> therefore I am unlikely to find what I want.  That is why I stuck with M
> $ Outlook so long after dumping everything else Windows.

If you want to keep using Outlook on MS Windows, you can try install it on a 
virtual machine on your linux machine. I've had good experience with 
VirtualBox for those rare cases when I need to boot Windows. You can just 
install a bare-minimum Windows with Outlook on VirtualBox.

AC

[James McKenzie]

On 3/20/11 1:46 PM, William Case wrote:
> Hi;
>
> On Sun, 2011-03-20 at 14:19 -0400, William Case wrote:
> > Hi;
> > Just getting some stuff about the Evolution program off my chest.  If I
> > can get some suggestions along the way that would be a bonus.
> > I realize this is about old stuff -- printed paper forms -- and
> > therefore I am unlikely to find what I want.  That is why I stuck with M
> > $ Outlook so long after dumping everything else Windows.

I will state that MS Outlook will not function well under Wine and 
backup the suggestion of VirtualBox or other emulator software.  Won't 
be as 'snappy' as if you had loaded onto fresh hardware, but if all you 
need is Calendar functions, that should suffice.

James McKenzie

[Bill Davidsen]

William Case wrote:
> Hi;
>
> On Sun, 2011-03-20 at 14:19 -0400, William Case wrote:
> > Hi;
> > Just getting some stuff about the Evolution program off my chest.  If I
> > can get some suggestions along the way that would be a bonus.
>
> I have received some suggestions to try Thunderbird off list.  I tried
> Thunderbird several years ago.  It didn't do what I wanted then but I am
> going to give it another try.
>
> I realize this is about old stuff -- printed paper forms -- and
> therefore I am unlikely to find what I want.  That is why I stuck with M
> $ Outlook so long after dumping everything else Windows.

You might look at the seamonkey suite, which has browser, mail/news/rss, HTML 
composer, address book, etc, all in one. It can use calendars in the Google 
calendar format,

If you are concerned with output control vs. a fancy GUI, remind may serve, it 
can do multiple formats of output including HTML.