Dare I ask the question?

[john brennan-sardou]

Hello all,
             Having waited impatiently for fedora three to come out, can 
you give me any idea as to when the final will hit the scene? Ok you 
will say when everything is top notch (as usual). I have had problems 
with fedora two (essentially because of my lousy material) and I am 
raring to go for fed3. The test 3 looks really good. Thanks for any 
information (even in weeks or months as to when it will come out.
    john brennan-sardou

[W. Guy Thomas]

On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:18 +0200, john wrote:
> Hello all,
>              Having waited impatiently for fedora three to come out, can 
> you give me any idea as to when the final will hit the scene? Ok you 
> will say when everything is top notch (as usual). I have had problems 
> with fedora two (essentially because of my lousy material) and I am 
> raring to go for fed3. The test 3 looks really good. Thanks for any 
> information (even in weeks or months as to when it will come out.
>     john brennan-sardou

http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/

should be soon!

[Charles Heselton]

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:18:30 +0200, john  wrote:
> Hello all,
>             Having waited impatiently for fedora three to come out, can
> you give me any idea as to when the final will hit the scene? Ok you
> will say when everything is top notch (as usual). I have had problems
> with fedora two (essentially because of my lousy material) and I am
> raring to go for fed3. The test 3 looks really good. Thanks for any
> information (even in weeks or months as to when it will come out.
>    john brennan-sardou
>
> --
> fedora-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

I believe it's scheduled for release on Nov. 20th.  They have a
production schedule posted somewhere, but I'm afraid I don't know the
link, and am feeling too lazy to look it up.  ;)  Sorry about that,
but I am pretty sure the anticipated release date is the 20th. 
Someone else may feel a little less mopy than me and may actually look
it up for you if they don't know it off the top.  ;) :D

[Charles Heselton]

> http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/

There you go!

[Paul F. Johnson]

Hi.
>          Having waited impatiently for fedora three to come out, can 
>
> you give me any idea as to when the final will hit the scene?

The Fedora website has that information. IIRC, 08/11/04

TTFN

Paul

[Rodolfo J. Paiz]

On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:18 +0200, john wrote:
> Hello all,
>              Having waited impatiently for fedora three to come out, can 
> you give me any idea as to when the final will hit the scene? Ok you 
> will say when everything is top notch (as usual).

Actually, the "when it's ready" policy died with Red Hat Linux 9. All
Fedora Core schedules have been posted publicly. Just thought you'd like
to know.

Cheers,

[Alan]

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Timothy Payne wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 01:15, Paul wrote:
> > Hi.
> > >          Having waited impatiently for fedora three to come out, can 
> > >
> > > you give me any idea as to when the final will hit the scene?
> >
> > The Fedora website has that information. IIRC, 08/11/04
> >
> > TTFN
> >
> > Paul
>
> I came into FC2 about 1/2 way through, so had no problem getting the
> ISO's or updates.  For you that have gone through FC1 then FC2, how long
> before the dust settles as I assume the servers will get slammed when
> it's released for at least the first week.  Then there will be a Ooops
> we forgot to do X from Red Hat.  So wait 2 maybe 4 weeks?

BitTorrent is your friend.  It allows distribution without the servers 
getting so overloaded nobody gets anything.

I wonder when BitTorrent will finally become part of the main 
distribution.

[Tim]

On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 01:15, Paul wrote:
> Hi.
> >          Having waited impatiently for fedora three to come out, can 
> >
> > you give me any idea as to when the final will hit the scene?
>
> The Fedora website has that information. IIRC, 08/11/04
>
> TTFN
>
> Paul

I came into FC2 about 1/2 way through, so had no problem getting the
ISO's or updates.  For you that have gone through FC1 then FC2, how long
before the dust settles as I assume the servers will get slammed when
it's released for at least the first week.  Then there will be a Ooops
we forgot to do X from Red Hat.  So wait 2 maybe 4 weeks?

Tim...

[A.J. Bonnema]

Timothy Payne wrote:
> I came into FC2 about 1/2 way through, so had no problem getting the
> ISO's or updates.  For you that have gone through FC1 then FC2, how long
> before the dust settles as I assume the servers will get slammed when
> it's released for at least the first week.  Then there will be a Ooops
> we forgot to do X from Red Hat.  So wait 2 maybe 4 weeks?

Hi Tim,

I think BitTorrent is quite active soon after release date. And because 
it's network based in stead of server based, you could be downloading 
earlier than 2 - 3 weeks after release.

The download just takes a little longer, other than that there is no 
downside. And if you leave your machine open, others will profit too.

Also, I'm not quite sure how the BitTorrent gets started (but it always 
does).

I wait after the download a week or so, for the initial problems to subside.

Guus.

[James McKenzie]

> I think BitTorrent is quite active soon after release date. And 
> because it's network based in stead of server based, you could be 
> downloading earlier than 2 - 3 weeks after release.
>
> The download just takes a little longer, other than that there is no 
> downside. And if you leave your machine open, others will profit too.
>
> Also, I'm not quite sure how the BitTorrent gets started (but it 
> always does).
>
> I wait after the download a week or so, for the initial problems to 
> subside.

Greetings Guus:

I think that the Torrent is great for large software releases, such as 
Fedora Core or OpenOffice, as it spreads the stress across the network 
and I think that Fedora Core 2 was on the torrent about a week after 
release.  I usually get the original release after a few folks have 
retrieved it and installed to see if the release .iso files are good.  I 
understand that torrent programs exist for FC2 and should work under 
FC3.  We will have to wait and see what happens in the first week after 
FC3s release and when it will become available on the Torrent.

James McKenzie

[W. Guy Thomas]

On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 19:44 -0700, alan wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Timothy Payne wrote:
> > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 01:15, Paul wrote:
> > > Hi.
> > > >          Having waited impatiently for fedora three to come out, can 
> > > >
> > > > you give me any idea as to when the final will hit the scene?
> > >
> > > The Fedora website has that information. IIRC, 08/11/04
> > >
> > > TTFN
> > >
> > > Paul
> >
> > I came into FC2 about 1/2 way through, so had no problem getting the
> > ISO's or updates.  For you that have gone through FC1 then FC2, how long
> > before the dust settles as I assume the servers will get slammed when
> > it's released for at least the first week.  Then there will be a Ooops
> > we forgot to do X from Red Hat.  So wait 2 maybe 4 weeks?
>
> BitTorrent is your friend.  It allows distribution without the servers 
> getting so overloaded nobody gets anything.
>
> I wonder when BitTorrent will finally become part of the main 
> distribution.
>
> -- 
> chown -R us ./base

and make sure to get the azureus scheduler plugin from sourceforge.net
my wife no longer screams about our pipe being saturated. :)

[Paul Howarth]

On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 04:51, James McKenzie wrote:
> I think that the Torrent is great for large software releases, such as 
> Fedora Core or OpenOffice, as it spreads the stress across the network 
> and I think that Fedora Core 2 was on the torrent about a week after 
> release.

Torrents for the FC3 test releases were available at
http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/ from mid-afternoon UTC (i.e. in the
morning US time) on their official release dates. I expect the same to
be true of the FC3 final release on 8th November. For me, BitTorrent is
not only faster than an ftp/http download but also more reliable, since
each chunk of 1MB or so gets CRC checked as soon as it is downloaded, so
there's never a worry about getting a bad download, as long as the
original source of the torrent can be trusted, which in duke.edu's case
is a pretty safe assumption.
> I usually get the original release after a few folks have 
> retrieved it and installed

Sound advice; let other people find the nasty problems ;-)

Paul.

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 06:07:04PM -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote:
> Actually, the "when it's ready" policy died with Red Hat Linux 9. All
> Fedora Core schedules have been posted publicly. Just thought you'd like
> to know.

Plus, looking at the actual history of Red Hat Linux releases, the practical
policy has been "approximately every six months". (To within a week or to on
average.)

[James McKenzie]

Paul:

Is the Torrent incorporated with FC, or is it something that I have to 
get at another location?  If the latter applies, how about a source?

Thank you.

James McKenzie

Paul Howarth wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 04:51, James McKenzie wrote:
> > I think that the Torrent is great for large software releases, such as 
> > Fedora Core or OpenOffice, as it spreads the stress across the network 
> > and I think that Fedora Core 2 was on the torrent about a week after 
> > release.
>
> Torrents for the FC3 test releases were available at
> http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/ from mid-afternoon UTC (i.e. in the
> morning US time) on their official release dates. I expect the same to
> be true of the FC3 final release on 8th November. For me, BitTorrent is
> not only faster than an ftp/http download but also more reliable, since
> each chunk of 1MB or so gets CRC checked as soon as it is downloaded, so
> there's never a worry about getting a bad download, as long as the
> original source of the torrent can be trusted, which in duke.edu's case
> is a pretty safe assumption.
> > I usually get the original release after a few folks have 
> > retrieved it and installed
>
> Sound advice; let other people find the nasty problems ;-)
>
> Paul.

[D. D. Brierton]

On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 05:10, James McKenzie wrote:
> Is the Torrent incorporated with FC, or is it something that I have to 
> get at another location?  If the latter applies, how about a source?

BitTorrent client software for Windows and Mac is available here:

http://bittorrent.com/download.html

Client software for FC2 is available from here:

http://newrpms.sunsite.dk/apt/redhat/en/i386/fc2/RPMS.newrpms/bittorrent-3.4...

On Windows and Mac you'll have to ask elsewhere, as I don't use those
platforms. On FC download a suitable BitTorrent RPM such as the one
above and install it. If you're not using FC2 then use google to find a
BitTorrent RPM for whatever distro you are using. Then when FC3 comes
out find the link on the download page to the torrent file, which will
be a file ending with the suffix *.torrent. Download the *.torrent file
(it's only small) with your browser. In a terminal, cd to the directory
you downloaded the *.torrent file to and then issue the following
command:

btdownloadcurses.py <torrentname>.torrent

replacing <torrentname> with the actual name of the torrent file.

Best, Darren

[Paul Howarth]

On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 06:30, D. D. Brierton wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 05:10, James McKenzie wrote:
> > Is the Torrent incorporated with FC, or is it something that I have to 
> > get at another location?  If the latter applies, how about a source?
>
> BitTorrent client software for Windows and Mac is available here:
>
> http://bittorrent.com/download.html
>
> Client software for FC2 is available from here:
>
> http://newrpms.sunsite.dk/apt/redhat/en/i386/fc2/RPMS.newrpms/bittorrent-3.4...

I've got RPMs for RH9, FC1 and FC2 at
http://www.city-fan.org/ftp/contrib/bittorrent/

Also available there (for FC2 only) is a useful little program called
GTorrentViewer that will show you information about a torrent, such as
how many people are seeding it (have full copies); torrents without
seeds are best avoided as you can spend a long time downloading 90% of a
distro and then find that nobody has a copy of the remaining 10%.
> On Windows and Mac you'll have to ask elsewhere, as I don't use those
> platforms. On FC download a suitable BitTorrent RPM such as the one
> above and install it. If you're not using FC2 then use google to find a
> BitTorrent RPM for whatever distro you are using. Then when FC3 comes
> out find the link on the download page to the torrent file, which will
> be a file ending with the suffix *.torrent. Download the *.torrent file
> (it's only small) with your browser. In a terminal, cd to the directory
> you downloaded the *.torrent file to and then issue the following
> command:
>
> btdownloadcurses.py <torrentname>.torrent
>
> replacing <torrentname> with the actual name of the torrent file.

Alternatively you can have the BitTorrent client get the torrent file
for you:

btdownloadcurses.py --url http://www.example.com/xyz.torrent

I find it useful to limit the upload rate so that there is still some
bandwidth left for mail, web access etc. (I only have a 512/256 kbit DSL
line):

btdownloadcurses.py --responsefile xya.torrent --max_upload_rate 20

The upload rate is specified in kilobytes per second.

Paul.

[Alexander Dalloz]

Am Sa, den 30.10.2004 schrieb James McKenzie um 6:10:
> Is the Torrent incorporated with FC, or is it something that I have to 
> get at another location?  If the latter applies, how about a source?
> James McKenzie

http://www.fedoranews.org/tchung/gnome-btdownload/

This is a new howto for running BitTorrent with a Gnome GUI, including
where to get the necessary parts.

Alexander

[James McKenzie]

Paul:

Thank you for this information.  I downloaded the files and will set 
them up sometime soon.  I'm dealing with a different problem concerning 
suspend/standby with an IBM A22p.

James McKenzie

Paul Howarth wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 06:30, D. D. Brierton wrote:
> > On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 05:10, James McKenzie wrote:
> > > Is the Torrent incorporated with FC, or is it something that I have to 
> > > get at another location?  If the latter applies, how about a source?
> >
> > BitTorrent client software for Windows and Mac is available here:
> >
> > http://bittorrent.com/download.html
> >
> > Client software for FC2 is available from here:
> >
> > http://newrpms.sunsite.dk/apt/redhat/en/i386/fc2/RPMS.newrpms/bittorrent-3.4...
>
> I've got RPMs for RH9, FC1 and FC2 at
> http://www.city-fan.org/ftp/contrib/bittorrent/
>
> Also available there (for FC2 only) is a useful little program called
> GTorrentViewer that will show you information about a torrent, such as
> how many people are seeding it (have full copies); torrents without
> seeds are best avoided as you can spend a long time downloading 90% of a
> distro and then find that nobody has a copy of the remaining 10%.
> > On Windows and Mac you'll have to ask elsewhere, as I don't use those
> > platforms. On FC download a suitable BitTorrent RPM such as the one
> > above and install it. If you're not using FC2 then use google to find a
> > BitTorrent RPM for whatever distro you are using. Then when FC3 comes
> > out find the link on the download page to the torrent file, which will
> > be a file ending with the suffix *.torrent. Download the *.torrent file
> > (it's only small) with your browser. In a terminal, cd to the directory
> > you downloaded the *.torrent file to and then issue the following
> > command:
> >
> > btdownloadcurses.py <torrentname>.torrent
> >
> > replacing <torrentname> with the actual name of the torrent file.
>
> Alternatively you can have the BitTorrent client get the torrent file
> for you:
>
> btdownloadcurses.py --url http://www.example.com/xyz.torrent
>
> I find it useful to limit the upload rate so that there is still some
> bandwidth left for mail, web access etc. (I only have a 512/256 kbit DSL
> line):
>
> btdownloadcurses.py --responsefile xya.torrent --max_upload_rate 20
>
> The upload rate is specified in kilobytes per second.
>
> Paul.