Followup: Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3

[Eric]

OK... I made a copy of my VMware F9 virtual machine, so I could screw 
it up to my heart's content and still be able to restore what I had.

Then I went in and said "yum groupremove "KDE Software Development"" 
and let that run to completion.  It left kdebase in place and removed 
everything else, so I said "yum remove kdebase" and that took care of 
removing all of KDE (or at least I hope so...).

So, if I want to install KDE3, what do I do?

On http://www.kde.org/download/ under "KDE 3 Series", then under 
Fedora, it says "KDE 3.5.10 has been pushed as an update for Fedora 8 
and 9. The Fedora 8 update includes all of KDE 3.5.10, the Fedora 9 
update only the applications which were shipped as KDE 3 versions, 
not KDE 4 versions.".

So, does that mean I download all of the files under 
"https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F8/FEDORA-2008-7808" (most, 
perhaps all, of which appear to be RPMs), install them all with rpm, 
then download everything under 
"https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F9/FEDORA-2008-7780" and 
install that over what I installed before?

Or, is there hidden away somewhere a complete archive of KDE 3.5.10 
specifically for F9?

I know... "Just try it and see what happens"... I could do that but 
I'd rather see if any of you all can offer some insight first.

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 22:34 -0400, Eric wrote:
> So, if I want to install KDE3, what do I do?

AFAIK KDE 3.5 is not supported for F9, except for the limited parts you
already mentioned. Of course you can always compile it yourself (maybe
someone has done it already but I don't know of any such effort).

poc

[Roberto Ragusa]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> AFAIK KDE 3.5 is not supported for F9, except for the limited parts you
> already mentioned. Of course you can always compile it yourself (maybe
> someone has done it already but I don't know of any such effort).

I'm currently running KDE 3 on F9.
Have a look at the thread "Successfully upgraded to F9 while keeping KDE 3"
on the fedora-devel list (2/6/2008).

I managed to upgrade from F8 to F9 while excluding all the KDE stuff.
It is not easy, as I had to manually create a couple of rpms for compatibility.

In any case, it has been working perfectly until now, and I'm planning to
upgrade to KDE 3.5.10, simply using the F8 rpms.

Best regards.

[Eric]

At 11:07 AM 9/30/2008, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
> > > > >
>
> I managed to upgrade from F8 to F9 while excluding all the KDE stuff.
> It is not easy, as I had to manually create a couple of rpms for 
> compatibility.

<<<<<

Good morning, Roberto.

I didn't upgrade from F8 to F9; I started off with a fresh F9 
install, and I was hoping I could get KDE3 to work with that.

I suppose I could blow away F9 and install F8, then upgrade back to 
F9... seems like way too much work for limited benefit.

I'm not really that unhappy with KDE4, just thought it would have 
been better to leave KDE3 in place as an option until KDE4 was more 
nearly ready for prime time (please, no flames... I know that "ready 
for prime time" means different things to different people), or to 
satisfy those who prefer KDE3 over the apparent "new" direction of KDE4.

But, it is what it is.  I'll stick with KDE4 and see how it goes.

[Rex Dieter]

Eric wrote:
> I didn't upgrade from F8 to F9; I started off with a fresh F9
> install, and I was hoping I could get KDE3 to work with that.

Not exactly what you're after, but hopefully clears the air for some of the
questions raised in this thread:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/KDE4FAQ

-- Rex

[Martin]

In article ,
Rex Dieter   wrote:
> Not exactly what you're after, but hopefully clears the air for some of the
> questions raised in this thread:

Clears the air? It looks like excuses for a bad decision.

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Martin  wrote:
> In article ,
> Rex Dieter   wrote:
> > Not exactly what you're after, but hopefully clears the air for some of the
> > questions raised in this thread:
>
> Clears the air? It looks like excuses for a bad decision.

This looks likes pure opinion.

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 20:47 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Martin  wrote:
> > In article ,
> > Rex Dieter   wrote:
> > > Not exactly what you're after, but hopefully clears the air for some of the
> > > questions raised in this thread:
> >
> > Clears the air? It looks like excuses for a bad decision.
>
> This looks likes pure opinion.

----
I think the Fedora-KDE team pretty much anticipated this reaction...he
is not alone but all in all, KDE 4 works pretty well.

Craig

KDE-SIG

[Rex Dieter]

Martin wrote:
> In article ,
> Rex Dieter   wrote:
> > Not exactly what you're after, but hopefully clears the air for some of
> > the questions raised in this thread:
>
> Clears the air? It looks like excuses for a bad decision.

<soapbox>
Good news... if you or anyone are unhappy with the direction Fedora/KDE is
taking, take part within Fedora's KDE-SIG,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE
See, that's where all the hard decisions and work happens.

I hearby issue a challege for greater community participation moving
forward.  
... I double-DOG-dare ya! ... I TRIPLE-dog-dare ya! (1)
</soapbox>

Clearly, there's a lot of interest, otherwise these threads wouldn't keep
resurfacing, right? :)

So, I'm open to feedback and suggestions to make things better in the
future.  Let 'er rip.

-- Rex

(1) bonus points for who get's the movie reference first  :)

KDE-SIG

[linux guy]

On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 10:13 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> <soapbox>
> Good news... if you or anyone are unhappy with the direction Fedora/KDE is
> taking, take part within Fedora's KDE-SIG,
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE
> See, that's where all the hard decisions and work happens.
>
> I hearby issue a challege for greater community participation moving
> forward.  
> ... I double-DOG-dare ya! ... I TRIPLE-dog-dare ya! (1)
>
> </soapbox>
>
> Clearly, there's a lot of interest, otherwise these threads wouldn't keep
> resurfacing, right? :)
>
> So, I'm open to feedback and suggestions to make things better in the
> future.  Let 'er rip.

Thanks for sharing this.  Is there a KDE-SIG mailing list ?

KDE-SIG

[Rex Dieter]

Linuxguy123 wrote:
> Is there a KDE-SIG mailing list ?

Unofficially,
http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=65974
kde-redhat-users, kde-redhat-devel

That said, I usually prefer most discussions take place either here or
fedora-devel, or even on freenode irc, #fedora-kde

I suppose we could push harder to get some fedora-kde lists started.  That's
something that the kde-sig could potentially address, if there's interest.

-- Rex

KDE-SIG

[linux guy]

On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 10:36 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > Is there a KDE-SIG mailing list ?
>
> Unofficially,
> http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=65974
> kde-redhat-users, kde-redhat-devel

Thanks.

You were right to request that people who are "unhappy" with things get
involved to get their input heard.  Good move.
> That said, I usually prefer most discussions take place either here or
> fedora-devel, or even on freenode irc, #fedora-kde

Thanks for clarifying that.
> I suppose we could push harder to get some fedora-kde lists started.  That's
> something that the kde-sig could potentially address, if there's interest.

For me this is unnecessary.  I'd like to keep my mailing list count
down.  I will probably subscribe to the above list(s) just to monitor
the going ons.

Thanks for your input/efforts in this group and with Linux in general,
Rex.  We are quick to comment and complain when things aren't as we
would like, but that doesn't mean we don't appreciate all the work that
you and others like you do for the community.  Keep it up.  And don't be
shy about informing us how we can help the cause.

KDE-SIG

[Dave Feustel]

On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 10:36:00AM -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > Is there a KDE-SIG mailing list ?
>
> Unofficially,
> http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=65974
> kde-redhat-users, kde-redhat-devel
>
> That said, I usually prefer most discussions take place either here or
> fedora-devel, or even on freenode irc, #fedora-kde
>
> I suppose we could push harder to get some fedora-kde lists started.  That's
> something that the kde-sig could potentially address, if there's interest.
>
> -- Rex

I'm interested.

KDE-SIG

[Anthony Joseph Messina]

On Wednesday 01 October 2008 10:36:00 am Rex Dieter wrote:
> I suppose we could push harder to get some fedora-kde lists started.
>  That's something that the kde-sig could potentially address, if there's
> interest.
>
> -- Rex

definite interest.

KDE-SIG

[Armin]

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Anthony Messina wrote:
> On Wednesday 01 October 2008 10:36:00 am Rex Dieter wrote:
> > I suppose we could push harder to get some fedora-kde lists started.
> >  That's something that the kde-sig could potentially address, if there's
> > interest.
> >
> > -- Rex
>
> definite interest.
>
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+1 vote!!

--
Armin
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KDE-SIG

[lostson]

On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 20:22 -0300, Armin Moradi wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Anthony Messina
>  wrote:
>         On Wednesday 01 October 2008 10:36:00 am Rex Dieter wrote:
>         > I suppose we could push harder to get some fedora-kde lists
>         started.
>         >  That's something that the kde-sig could potentially
>         address, if there's
>         > interest.
>         >
>         > -- Rex
>     definite interest.
>
>     --

always interested !

KDE-SIG

[John W. Linville]

On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 10:13:48AM -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> ... I double-DOG-dare ya! ... I TRIPLE-dog-dare ya! (1)
> (1) bonus points for who get's the movie reference first  :)

You'll shoot your eye out, kid...

KDE-SIG

[Rex Dieter]

John W. Linville wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 10:13:48AM -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > ... I double-DOG-dare ya! ... I TRIPLE-dog-dare ya! (1)
> > (1) bonus points for who get's the movie reference first  :)
>
> You'll shoot your eye out, kid...

Congrats, your prize is a shiny new Red Ryder BB gun, enjoy.

-- Rex

KDE-SIG

[Alan Evans]

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Rex Dieter  wrote:
> John W. Linville wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 10:13:48AM -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > ... I double-DOG-dare ya! ... I TRIPLE-dog-dare ya! (1)
> > > (1) bonus points for who get's the movie reference first  :)
> >
> > You'll shoot your eye out, kid...
>
> Congrats, your prize is a shiny new Red Ryder BB gun, enjoy.

No, no, NO! He has to win a "Major Award"!

KDE-SIG

[Claude Jones]

On Wed October 1 2008 11:13:48 am Rex Dieter wrote:
> Let 'er rip.
>
> -- Rex
>
> (1) bonus points for who get's the movie reference first  :)

"George Bush, the Presidency"??? (sorry, couldn't resist that invite)