Re: Firefox 4 ?

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi Tony.

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Tony Foster  wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-05-02 at 08:23 -0700, suvayu ali wrote:
> > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 8:21 AM, Tony Foster  wrote:
> > > When I unpacked the download none of the shell files were executable.
> > > I assume that I need to add executable permission to some of the
> > > executable files to run from home directory?
> >
> > There should be an executable file called firefox/firefox. Just use that.
>
> I did find several shell scripts in the Firefox directory.
> NONE were executable.

Are you sure you have the tarball from a reliable source? When I open a
tarball from this[1] Mozilla mirror, I find shell scripts and shared
libraries with proper file permissions inside.

firefox-4.0.1.tar.bz2:
> -rwxr-xr-x  1054392 firefox/libnss3.so
> -rwxr-xr-x    10597 firefox/run-mozilla.sh
> -rwxr-xr-x    49464 firefox/plugin-container
> -rwxr-xr-x    58008 firefox/crashreporter
> -rwxr-xr-x  29863832 firefox/libxul.so
> -rwxr-xr-x   111392 firefox/libnssutil3.so
> -rwxr-xr-x    57248 firefox/firefox-bin
> -rwxr-xr-x   421536 firefox/libfreebl3.so
> -rwxr-xr-x   156744 firefox/libsmime3.so
> -rwxr-xr-x   608992 firefox/libmozsqlite3.so
> -rwxr-xr-x   153696 firefox/libnssdbm3.so
> -rwxr-xr-x   238320 firefox/libnspr4.so
> -rwxr-xr-x   206608 firefox/libssl3.so
> -rwxr-xr-x    12088 firefox/libplds4.so
> -rwxr-xr-x   513168 firefox/libnssckbi.so
> -rwxr-xr-x     3916 firefox/firefox
> -rwxr-xr-x    73104 firefox/updater
> -rwxr-xr-x    16432 firefox/libxpcom.so
> -rwxr-xr-x   182648 firefox/components/libbrowsercomps.so
> -rwxr-xr-x    29936 firefox/components/libdbusservice.so
> -rwxr-xr-x    41840 firefox/components/libnkgnomevfs.so
> -rwxr-xr-x    47104 firefox/components/libmozgnome.so
> -rwxr-xr-x    15776 firefox/mozilla-xremote-client
> -rwxr-xr-x   242208 firefox/libsoftokn3.so
> -rwxr-xr-x    16904 firefox/libplc4.so
> -rwxr-xr-x     7584 firefox/libmozalloc.so
> --
> Tony Foster

Hope this helps

Footnotes:

[1] http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest/

Firefox 4 ?

[jarmo]

Suvayu Ali kirjoitti tiistai, 3. toukokuuta 2011 18:19:11:
> [1]

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest/

How about try Remi's package? Updates 3.6 FF. If I understood, FF4
is not coming for FC14? So that solves problem ?

http://blog.famillecollet.com/pages/Config-en

Jarmo

Firefox 4 ?

[Tony Foster]

On Tue, 2011-05-03 at 08:19 -0700, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> Hi Tony.
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Tony Foster  wrote:
> > On Mon, 2011-05-02 at 08:23 -0700, suvayu ali wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 8:21 AM, Tony Foster  wrote:
> > > > When I unpacked the download none of the shell files were executable.
> > > > I assume that I need to add executable permission to some of the
> > > > executable files to run from home directory?
> firefox-4.0.1.tar.bz2:
> > -rwxr-xr-x  1054392 firefox/libnss3.so
> > -rwxr-xr-x    10597 firefox/run-mozilla.sh
> > -rwxr-xr-x    49464 firefox/plugin-container
> > -rwxr-xr-x    58008 firefox/crashreporter
> > -rwxr-xr-x  29863832 firefox/libxul.so
> > -rwxr-xr-x   111392 firefox/libnssutil3.so
> > -rwxr-xr-x    57248 firefox/firefox-bin
> > -rwxr-xr-x   421536 firefox/libfreebl3.so
> > -rwxr-xr-x   156744 firefox/libsmime3.so
> > -rwxr-xr-x   608992 firefox/libmozsqlite3.so
> > -rwxr-xr-x   153696 firefox/libnssdbm3.so
> > -rwxr-xr-x   238320 firefox/libnspr4.so
> > -rwxr-xr-x   206608 firefox/libssl3.so
> > -rwxr-xr-x    12088 firefox/libplds4.so
> > -rwxr-xr-x   513168 firefox/libnssckbi.so
> > -rwxr-xr-x     3916 firefox/firefox
> > -rwxr-xr-x    73104 firefox/updater
> > -rwxr-xr-x    16432 firefox/libxpcom.so
> > -rwxr-xr-x   182648 firefox/components/libbrowsercomps.so
> > -rwxr-xr-x    29936 firefox/components/libdbusservice.so
> > -rwxr-xr-x    41840 firefox/components/libnkgnomevfs.so
> > -rwxr-xr-x    47104 firefox/components/libmozgnome.so
> > -rwxr-xr-x    15776 firefox/mozilla-xremote-client
> > -rwxr-xr-x   242208 firefox/libsoftokn3.so
> > -rwxr-xr-x    16904 firefox/libplc4.so
> > -rwxr-xr-x     7584 firefox/libmozalloc.so
> Hope this helps
>
> Footnotes:
>
> [1] http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest/

So interesting data. I did download from Mozilla.org and the tar ball
has execute permissions when I list it. That was silly to not check the
tar ball. 
I will unpack again and check it. My umask appears to be set properly. 
tf

Firefox 4 ?

[Aaron Konstam]

On Tue, 2011-05-03 at 19:31 +0300, jarmo wrote:
> Suvayu Ali kirjoitti tiistai, 3. toukokuuta 2011 18:19:11:
> > [1]
>
> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest/
>
> How about try Remi's package? Updates 3.6 FF. If I understood, FF4
> is not coming for FC14? So that solves problem ?
>
> http://blog.famillecollet.com/pages/Config-en
>
> Jarmo

Actually, after being bugged when I opened firefox-3.6-17 to download
firefox4 , I did it. I got access to a video to show how it worked. But
the video showed a version of firefox4 that was different than  the one
I downloaded. For example it had a tab labeled firefox in the upper left
corner and a star on the right side. The version downloaded did not.
So I suspect we won't see all the functionality that should be there.

Firefox 4 ?

[Konstantin Svist]

On 05/03/2011 02:54 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> Actually, after being bugged when I opened firefox-3.6-17 to download
> firefox4 , I did it. I got access to a video to show how it worked. But
> the video showed a version of firefox4 that was different than  the one
> I downloaded. For example it had a tab labeled firefox in the upper left
> corner and a star on the right side. The version downloaded did not.
> So I suspect we won't see all the functionality that should be there.

The Firefox team decided to keep the UI consistent to the OS, instead of 
consistent to itself. In other words, Linux flavor of Firefox doesn't 
look exactly like same version on Windows.
The video simply shows the lowest common denominator, which is Windows.

Firefox 4 ?

[Athmane Madjoudj]

On 05/03/2011 11:09 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote:
> On 05/03/2011 02:54 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> The Firefox team decided to keep the UI consistent to the OS, instead of
> consistent to itself. In other words, Linux flavor of Firefox doesn't
> look exactly like same version on Windows.
> The video simply shows the lowest common denominator, which is Windows.

IIRC, hiding the 'menu bar' gives you the 'Firefox menu' .

Firefox 4 ?

[Ed Greshko]

On 05/04/2011 05:54 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-05-03 at 19:31 +0300, jarmo wrote:
> > Suvayu Ali kirjoitti tiistai, 3. toukokuuta 2011 18:19:11:
> > > [1]
> >
> > http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest/
> >
> > How about try Remi's package? Updates 3.6 FF. If I understood, FF4
> > is not coming for FC14? So that solves problem ?
> >
> > http://blog.famillecollet.com/pages/Config-en
> >
> > Jarmo
>
> Actually, after being bugged when I opened firefox-3.6-17 to download
> firefox4 , I did it. I got access to a video to show how it worked. But
> the video showed a version of firefox4 that was different than  the one
> I downloaded. For example it had a tab labeled firefox in the upper left
> corner and a star on the right side. The version downloaded did not.
> So I suspect we won't see all the functionality that should be there.

If you want the "tab" in the upper left all you have to do is:

Got to "View--->Toolbars" and un-check "Menu Bar"

Ed

Firefox 4 ?

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi,

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:31 AM, jarmo  wrote:
> Suvayu Ali kirjoitti tiistai, 3. toukokuuta 2011 18:19:11:
> > [1]
>
> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest/
>
> How about try Remi's package? Updates 3.6 FF. If I understood, FF4
> is not coming for FC14? So that solves problem ?
>
> http://blog.famillecollet.com/pages/Config-en

I have been meaning to ask this for a while, I used the tarball when I
was using Minefield (FF nightlies). After FF4 was released I wanted to
switch to a yum repo and I found two options:

- Tom "spot" Callaway's repo on fedorapeople
- Remi's repo

Spot's repo was recommended on the Fedora wiki so I went with that. Is
there any preference among the two? I don't recall receiving any updates
from that repo. So I was wondering which is more up to date? Or has
there been no updates to firefox4 since its release?
> Jarmo

Thanks

Firefox 4 ?

[Konstantin Svist]

On 05/03/2011 03:21 PM, Athmane Madjoudj wrote:
> On 05/03/2011 11:09 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote:
> > On 05/03/2011 02:54 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > The Firefox team decided to keep the UI consistent to the OS, instead of
> > consistent to itself. In other words, Linux flavor of Firefox doesn't
> > look exactly like same version on Windows.
> > The video simply shows the lowest common denominator, which is Windows.
>
> IIRC, hiding the 'menu bar' gives you the 'Firefox menu' .

Yes, but it still won't look quite the same as Windows version. But you 
won't hear me complaining. After getting over the same confusion Aaron 
had, I decided that was the right design choice after all.

Firefox 4 ?

[Aaron Konstam]

On Tue, 2011-05-03 at 15:09 -0700, Konstantin Svist wrote:
> On 05/03/2011 02:54 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > Actually, after being bugged when I opened firefox-3.6-17 to download
> > firefox4 , I did it. I got access to a video to show how it worked. But
> > the video showed a version of firefox4 that was different than  the one
> > I downloaded. For example it had a tab labeled firefox in the upper left
> > corner and a star on the right side. The version downloaded did not.
> > So I suspect we won't see all the functionality that should be there.
>
> The Firefox team decided to keep the UI consistent to the OS, instead of 
> consistent to itself. In other words, Linux flavor of Firefox doesn't 
> look exactly like same version on Windows.
> The video simply shows the lowest common denominator, which is Windows.

I accept that that but doing that makes it harder for Linux users to see
how the new features work. What is even stranger the look (and possibily
of functionality) seems the same as firefox-3.6-17.

Firefox 4 ?

[jarmo]

suvayu ali kirjoitti keskiviikko, 4. toukokuuta 2011 01:27:51:
> there any preference among the two? I don't recall receiving any

updates
> from that repo. So I was wondering which is more up to date? Or

has
> there been no updates to firefox4 since its release?
> Thanks

I have Remi's package in use and version is 4.0.1.

Jarmo

Firefox 4 ?

[Suvayu Ali]

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:08 PM, jarmo  wrote:
> suvayu ali kirjoitti keskiviikko, 4. toukokuuta 2011 01:27:51:
> > there any preference among the two? I don't recall receiving any
>
> updates
> > from that repo. So I was wondering which is more up to date? Or
>
> has
> > there been no updates to firefox4 since its release?
> > Thanks
>
> I have Remi's package in use and version is 4.0.1.

My version from Tom's repo is 4.0-2. I guess that means Remi's repo is
more up to date. Thanks a lot. :)
> Jarmo