8:40 p.m.
Wow...
That just sounds wrong on *SO* many levels.
On 10/10/2011 09:05 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote:
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Jared K. Smith
<jsmith(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> The voting has concluded for the Fedora 16 release name, and the
> results are in! Thank you to the Fedora community members who made
> name suggestions and participated in the voting.
>
> The Fedora 16 release name is: Beefy Miracle
Sorry for the confusion... that's the Fedora 17 name.
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8:58 p.m.
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I agree....
On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:40:01 -0500 Chris Kloiber
<ckloiber(a)ckloiber.com> wrote:
Wow...
That just sounds wrong on *SO* many levels.
On 10/10/2011 09:05 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Jared K. Smith
> <jsmith(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>> The voting has concluded for the Fedora 16 release name, and the
>> results are in! Thank you to the Fedora community members who made
>> name suggestions and participated in the voting.
>>
>> The Fedora 16 release name is: Beefy Miracle
> Sorry for the confusion... that's the Fedora 17 name.
>
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On 10/10/2011 06:58 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
I agree....
On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:40:01 -0500 Chris Kloiber
<ckloiber(a)ckloiber.com> wrote:
> Wow...
>
> That just sounds wrong on *SO* many levels.
>
>>>
>>> Beefy Miracle
>>
Actually, I have to believe this is a joke email .... if it is true,
then all I can wonder is if Fedora naming is under the control of 13
year olds just learning about wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
It is so wrong ... its actually a bit replusive
9:43 p.m.
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On 10/10/2011 10:41 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
On 10/10/2011 06:58 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> I agree....
>
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:40:01 -0500 Chris Kloiber
> <ckloiber(a)ckloiber.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow...
>>
>> That just sounds wrong on *SO* many levels.
>>
>>>> Beefy Miracle
Actually, I have to believe this is a joke email .... if it is true,
then all I can wonder is if Fedora naming is under the control of 13
year olds just learning about wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
It is so wrong ... its actually a bit replusive
Queue up the "Pr0n
Groove" soundtrack...
9:57 p.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
----- Original message -----
Actually, I have to believe this is a joke email .... if it is
true,
then all I can wonder is if Fedora naming is under the control of 13
year olds just learning about wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
It is so wrong ... its actually a bit replusive
I voted a 0 on this name. Did anyone else complaining even vote? There was low voter
turnout.
10:44 p.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
I gave 0 for Beefy Miracle also. Is this a joke?
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Michael Cronenworth <mike(a)cchtml.com>wrote:
----- Original message -----
> Actually, I have to believe this is a joke email .... if it is true,
> then all I can wonder is if Fedora naming is under the control of 13
> year olds just learning about wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
>
> It is so wrong ... its actually a bit replusive
I voted a 0 on this name. Did anyone else complaining even vote? There was
low voter turnout.
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11:12 p.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 13:44:53 +1000,
Rohan Ferris <rohan(a)rferris.org> wrote:
I gave 0 for Beefy Miracle also. Is this a joke?
Sort of. "Beefy Miracle" has been an inside joke going back at least
several releases now. A number of people who like it decided to try
to get a release named after it. They just succeeded. I would have preferred
that they actually tried to get a legitimate connection from a previous
name to "Beefy Miracle", but they took a cheap short cut there that I
think takes away from the naming process.
In the end it isn't really a big deal and might end up getting extra
publicity for Fedora.
11:32 p.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
On 10/10/2011 10:57 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
----- Original message -----
> Actually, I have to believe this is a joke email .... if it is true,
> then all I can wonder is if Fedora naming is under the control of 13
> year olds just learning about wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
>
> It is so wrong ... its actually a bit replusive
I voted a 0 on this name. Did anyone else complaining even vote? There was low voter
turnout.
I'm not a developer, therefore no vote.
But I sure can have an opinion.
Queue the Pr0n-groove music (somewhat safe for work):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLb9jPuDS9Y
12:39 a.m.
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On 10/10/2011 09:12 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 13:44:53 +1000,
Rohan Ferris<rohan(a)rferris.org> wrote:
> I gave 0 for Beefy Miracle also. Is this a joke?
Sort of. "Beefy Miracle" has been an inside joke going back at least
several releases now. A number of people who like it decided to try
to get a release named after it. They just succeeded. I would have preferred
that they actually tried to get a legitimate connection from a previous
name to "Beefy Miracle", but they took a cheap short cut there that I
think takes away from the naming process.
In the end it isn't really a big deal and might end up getting extra
publicity for Fedora.
So, "a number of people" want to develop our next
beefy miracle?
Will you folks f-ing grow up !?!
Unless you are happy with everyone telling the "these number of people"
where to put their beefy miracle --- fill in the cliche yourself (does
it still sound "cute" in this context and an inside joke you wish to
exhibit to the world?)
1:07 a.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
On 10/11/2011 01:39 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
Unless you are happy with everyone telling the "these number of
people"
where to put their beefy miracle --- fill in the cliche yourself (does
it still sound "cute" in this context and an inside joke you wish to
exhibit to the world?)
Not to mention, that if this is indeed an "inside joke" it just goes
further to advance the opinion of some that Fedora is "run" by a small
group of "insiders" and everyone else (the user base) are
"outsiders".
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3:24 a.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 00:32 -0400 schrieb Chris Kloiber:
On 10/10/2011 10:57 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> ----- Original message -----
>> Actually, I have to believe this is a joke email .... if it is true,
>> then all I can wonder is if Fedora naming is under the control of 13
>> year olds just learning about wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
>>
>> It is so wrong ... its actually a bit replusive
> I voted a 0 on this name. Did anyone else complaining even vote? There was low voter
turnout.
I'm not a developer, therefore no vote.
You don't need to be a developer, you just need to have a FAS Account.
Regards,
Christoph
5:58 a.m.
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:07:45 +0800, EG (Ed) wrote:
On 10/11/2011 01:39 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> Unless you are happy with everyone telling the "these number of people"
> where to put their beefy miracle --- fill in the cliche yourself (does
> it still sound "cute" in this context and an inside joke you wish to
> exhibit to the world?)
Not to mention, that if this is indeed an "inside joke" it just goes
further to advance the opinion of some that Fedora is "run" by a small
group of "insiders" and everyone else (the user base) are
"outsiders".
If it bugs you that much, consider taking part in the voting next time. ;)
That might also make it more difficult for small groups to push their
names.
It isn't about "insiders vs. outsiders" anymore (as with old Red Hat Linux
dist names), but just that release name proposals, discussing them and
voting for them isn't of much interest to many people. It may be considered
fun by some, but all that matters afterall is the quality of the distribution
not its name.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting
One could vote only from 2011-10-04 to 2011-10-10, which isn't a lot of
time. Only a fraction of the possible voters have taken part. One must
know that "range voting" has been used, so the results are not a 1-to-1
mapping of votes to voters.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/results/relnamef17
I've voted for a different name. Only to support the effort and
the fact that one can influence the release name a little bit. Some
of the background for the final name proposals has been outright
boring: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_17
However, there has been some group effort behind the Beefy Miracle name
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Hot_Dog
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meat_SIG
and I presume they have managed to attract a couple of voters for
reasons unknown.
6:25 a.m.
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On 10/11/2011 06:58 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
If it bugs you that much, consider taking part in the voting next
time.;)
That might also make it more difficult for small groups to push their
names.
It really doesn't bug me very much at all. I have no idea what the
names of F10, F11, F12, etc. are...and I get the feeling most people
don't know and don't really care.
One would just hope that the name somehow embodies the spirit of Fedora
and the Linux movement. I don't see where this name does. Guess I'm
not "hip" or part of the "in" crowd.
I've been using Red Hat products since the Red Hat 7 days...before
their was a Fedora or Fedora Core. I don't recall any "Beefy Miracle".
I frankly (no pun intended) don't think "Beefy Miracle" is a name to be
proud of.
But, like you said, voting on a name isn't of interest to many people.
Seems like more of a popularity contest like DWTS. The best name/dancer
doesn't always win only because one side puts on a better campaign and
manages to get their friends to vote.
As I said, Frankly (pun intended) the name isn't a wiener with me.
I really should have left it at the "cholesterol" joke except that I had
a thought of what others may think.
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8:17 a.m.
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:09:29 -0500 Christoph Wickert
<christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 19:25 +0800 schrieb Ed Greshko:
> I frankly (no pun intended) don't think "Beefy Miracle" is a name to
be
> proud of.
I do. Even though I am vegetarian.
My problem with the name is that it conveys two different things, none
of which I want in my linux distribution.
The term "Beefy" does not chime with a lean and efficient distribution.
The term "Miracle" is something that is even worse. It is some
phenomenon that can not be explained (except by divinity). Do we really
want that in a linux distribution?
There may well be other interpretations that come to mind, but these
are what came to me right away.
I did not know the proceedings for voting or even that it was on, so it
is correct, I did not vote. Of course, that gives me no voice (which is
appropriate). However, it does not preclude me from having an opinion.
Ranjan
8:31 a.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:17 AM, Ranjan Maitra <maitra(a)iastate.edu> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:09:29 -0500 Christoph Wickert
<christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 19:25 +0800 schrieb Ed Greshko:
> > I frankly (no pun intended) don't think "Beefy Miracle" is a name
to be
> > proud of.
>
> I do. Even though I am vegetarian.
>
My problem with the name is that it conveys two different things, none
of which I want in my linux distribution.
The term "Beefy" does not chime with a lean and efficient distribution.
Wiktionary lists two non-meat related definitions for the word "beefy".
3. (informal) Strong or muscular.
4. (informal) Sturdy; robust.
Both seem to be rather desirable qualities in a Linux distribution. :-)
The term "Miracle" is something that is even worse. It is
some
phenomenon that can not be explained (except by divinity). Do we really
want that in a linux distribution?
There may well be other interpretations that come to mind, but these
are what came to me right away.
I did not know the proceedings for voting or even that it was on, so it
is correct, I did not vote. Of course, that gives me no voice (which is
appropriate). However, it does not preclude me from having an opinion.
Ranjan
-T.C.
8:35 a.m.
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On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 21:57 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
I voted a 0 on this name. Did anyone else complaining even vote?
There
was low voter turnout.
So, if someone proposes an inappropriate name, and if enough people vote
for it, it'll get through. There's no vetting of appropriate proposals,
in the first place?
Granted that this one's borderline, rather than extremely gross. But it
makes you wonder what else might get through.
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8:47 a.m.
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On 10/11/2011 02:17 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:09:29 -0500 Christoph Wickert
<christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 19:25 +0800 schrieb Ed Greshko:
>> I frankly (no pun intended) don't think "Beefy Miracle" is a name
to be
>> proud of.
>
> I do. Even though I am vegetarian.
My problem with the name is that it conveys two different things, none
of which I want in my linux distribution.
The term "Beefy" does not chime with a lean and efficient distribution.
Lean? Fedora? Shome mishtake shurely.
The term "Miracle" is something that is even worse. It is
some
phenomenon that can not be explained (except by divinity). Do we really
want that in a linux distribution?
I think that "miracle" is more often used as a metaphor. As a
description of free (as in gratis) software that's better than
software you have to pay for, "miracle" isn't entirely inappropriate.
Andrew.
8:50 a.m.
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So where do we go to propose names?
I'd like to be able to vote for the ultra secret squirrel
code name for fedora 18 to be: "fedora 18".
Now *there's* a code name for you!
9:17 a.m.
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I could not vote because the sing in site always gave me bad captcha
as result...
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9:22 a.m.
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Tom Horsley wrote:
So where do we go to propose names?
It was done on
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_17
I suppose when the nomination period opens for f18, there will be
corresponding,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_18
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2:34 p.m.
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On 10/11/2011 07:05 PM, Tim wrote:
On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 21:57 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> I voted a 0 on this name. Did anyone else complaining even vote? There
> was low voter turnout.
So, if someone proposes an inappropriate name, and if enough people vote
for it, it'll get through. There's no vetting of appropriate proposals,
in the first place?
Granted that this one's borderline, rather than extremely gross. But it
makes you wonder what else might get through.
Other than a legal check for conflicts with trademarks etc, that is
correct. Any name can get through if someone proposes and enough people
vote for it. Anyone with a Fedora account can vote and getting a
account takes only a few minutes. You can't always get the name of
your choice but if you like a particular name or don't, you have the
ability to influence the result. Use it.
Rahul
2:35 p.m.
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On 10/11/2011 07:47 PM, Dokuro wrote:
I could not vote because the sing in site always gave me bad captcha
as result...
Report such issues. Admin AT fedoraproject.org
Rahul
2:38 p.m.
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On 10/11/2011 06:47 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
I did not know the proceedings for voting or even that it was on, so
it
is correct, I did not vote. Of course, that gives me no voice (which is
appropriate). However, it does not preclude me from having an opinion.
Sure but the fact is that, suggestions have been taken in openly,
announced widely (via fedora announce list), voted upon etc gives you
the ability to have more than just a opinion here (which doesn't count
for anything). Maybe for the next release onwards, people with strong
opinions on codenames should participate.
Rahul
2:39 p.m.
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On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Rahul Sundaram <metherid(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Other than a legal check for conflicts with trademarks etc, that is
correct. Any name can get through if someone proposes and enough people
vote for it. Anyone with a Fedora account can vote and getting a
account takes only a few minutes. You can't always get the name of
your choice but if you like a particular name or don't, you have the
ability to influence the result. Use it.
Well, the Board does screen the names and only passes on to legal the
short list it chooses from those nominated by the community. This
makes good sense to not overburden legal and to discard things that
don't meet the requirements ... except in those cases where the Board
chooses to overlook the requirements. There is a filter before the
names get to legal though.
John
4:35 p.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
On 10/11/2011 12:34 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Other than a legal check for conflicts with trademarks etc, that is
correct. Any name can get through if someone proposes and enough people
vote for it. Anyone with a Fedora account can vote and getting a
account takes only a few minutes. You can't always get the name of
your choice but if you like a particular name or don't, you have the
ability to influence the result. Use it.
Rahul
John and your emails certainly make it clear that this was handled
within the bounds of democracy within Fedora and with Board/legal
getting a look.
At this point, all I want to say is if the folks putting out F17 want
that codename and they are prepared to make F17 good enough to justify
their choice, all power to them and I look forward to seeing how it
plays out.
Cheers
3:02 a.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
On 10/11/2011 11:37 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 10/11/2011 01:39 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> Unless you are happy with everyone telling the "these number of people"
> where to put their beefy miracle --- fill in the cliche yourself (does
> it still sound "cute" in this context and an inside joke you wish to
> exhibit to the world?)
Not to mention, that if this is indeed an "inside joke" it just goes
further to advance the opinion of some that Fedora is "run" by a small
group of "insiders" and everyone else (the user base) are
"outsiders".
These people are "insiders" only to the extend that they have been
involved for a long time and care enough to know to these sort of
trivia. Other than that the information is transparently available in
many public places. This is a open source project after all.
http://darkmattermatters.com/2011/10/11/the-origins-of-the-beefy-miracle/
In addition to that, I don't prefer to talk about a "user base" since
there is no bright line diving contributors and users. Anyone who
bothers enough to say report a bug should be considered a contributor.
Rahul
1:25 p.m.
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Gentle People:
"Last night I received a message via Twitter
<http://twitter.com/#%21/beefymiracle> from a hot dog."
See the difficulty we are in!!! This is what happens when you
take political advice from a Hot Dog!
Hey, I know that most will consider this to be a dumb idea, but,,,
what about just naming it "Fedora Release 17", No, No No,
that will never work as it is way to adult!
Thomas Dineen
On 10/12/2011 1:02 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 10/11/2011 11:37 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 10/11/2011 01:39 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
>> Unless you are happy with everyone telling the "these number of
people"
>> where to put their beefy miracle --- fill in the cliche yourself (does
>> it still sound "cute" in this context and an inside joke you wish to
>> exhibit to the world?)
> Not to mention, that if this is indeed an "inside joke" it just goes
> further to advance the opinion of some that Fedora is "run" by a small
> group of "insiders" and everyone else (the user base) are
"outsiders".
These people are "insiders" only to the extend that they have been
involved for a long time and care enough to know to these sort of
trivia. Other than that the information is transparently available in
many public places. This is a open source project after all.
http://darkmattermatters.com/2011/10/11/the-origins-of-the-beefy-miracle/
In addition to that, I don't prefer to talk about a "user base" since
there is no bright line diving contributors and users. Anyone who
bothers enough to say report a bug should be considered a contributor.
Rahul
6:20 p.m.
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On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:47, Andrew Haley <aph(a)redhat.com> wrote:
I think that "miracle" is more often used as a metaphor.
As a
description of free (as in gratis) software that's better than
software you have to pay for, "miracle" isn't entirely inappropriate.
Here´s what I first thought:
Beefy Miracle: it takes a lot of space, and runs by pure chance (with
divine intervention) - ie it takes a miracle for it to run.
FC
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