I did a clean install of FC1 and need to run it on an otherwise all MSWindows network....
I tried to set up a network printer (HP LaserJet 5Si) in two ways, with no success.
First as a JetDirect printer (this is how I have it set from my windows machine and it works fine.)
I can ping the printer ok, so the connection is there, but when I try to print a test page, I get a blank sheet with a single line drawn across the top. (I'm using the recommended driver (hp5gray, if I recall correctly.)
So, I thought I would try defining the printer as a "Networked Windows (SMB) Printer" (That's how most people in our office use it, I just like to be different :-) The list of hosts on the network was displayed, but I could not see any of the "shares" in order to see the printer I wanted to select.
At no point did I have to log on to the network, which sort of surprised me... maube that's why I can see the machines, but nothing ON those machines is visible.
Any suggestions?
Thanks, Don
Is this printer attached to a windows machine or is it directly attached to the network?
TF On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 23:07, Don wrote:
I did a clean install of FC1 and need to run it on an otherwise all MSWindows network....
I tried to set up a network printer (HP LaserJet 5Si) in two ways, with no success.
First as a JetDirect printer (this is how I have it set from my windows machine and it works fine.)
I can ping the printer ok, so the connection is there, but when I try to print a test page, I get a blank sheet with a single line drawn across the top. (I'm using the recommended driver (hp5gray, if I recall correctly.)
So, I thought I would try defining the printer as a "Networked Windows (SMB) Printer" (That's how most people in our office use it, I just like to be different :-) The list of hosts on the network was displayed, but I could not see any of the "shares" in order to see the printer I wanted to select.
At no point did I have to log on to the network, which sort of surprised me... maube that's why I can see the machines, but nothing ON those machines is visible.
Any suggestions?
Thanks, Don
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Is this printer attached to a windows machine or is it directly attached to the network?
The printer is attached to the network. It has a 10Base-T JetDirect card in it. The "usual" print server is a Windows machine and all the Windows clients in the office have the network printer defined as a "network printer", connected to the "shared printer" on the printer server.
On MY Windows client, I print to the same printer using a "local tcp/ip" connection, directly to the IP of the printer.
Now I'm trying to set up FC1 on the same network, to use the same printer... either directly as a "JetDirect" connection, or through the windows shared printer.
Don
Don wrote:
The printer is attached to the network. It has a 10Base-T JetDirect card in it. The "usual" print server is a Windows machine and all the Windows clients in the office have the network printer defined as a "network printer", connected to the "shared printer" on the printer server.
This does not make sense. The purpose of the JetDirect card is so the machines on the network can print directly to the printer from the net. Why route all the printing through the server as well?
Now I'm trying to set up FC1 on the same network, to use the same printer... either directly as a "JetDirect" connection, or through the windows shared printer.
Don
Try running (as root) redhat-config-printer, and for your queue type, select "Networked JetDirect", put in the IP address of the JetDirect card for the printer name, leave the port at 9100, select the Maunfacturer (HP) and model (LaserJet 5Si?????), and you should be good to go.
For your Windows boxes, run the add printer setup wizard, and choose "local printer" instead of "Networked Printer" and instead of LPT1: for the port, use a standard TCP/IP port.....
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 14:31, Randy Kelsoe wrote:
Don wrote:
The printer is attached to the network. It has a 10Base-T JetDirect card in it. The "usual" print server is a Windows machine and all the Windows clients in the office have the network printer defined as a "network printer", connected to the "shared printer" on the printer server.
This does not make sense. The purpose of the JetDirect card is so the machines on the network can print directly to the printer from the net. Why route all the printing through the server as well?
It depends of the size of your network, I never setup a network printer on each machine directly, because I want to log the activity (thanks to cups), print jobs separator pages and control the users that can have access to the each printer (I don't want everyone printing garbage on a color laser printer)
For the networks that I manage, the purpose of the JetDirect card (or equivalent on non HP printers) is to have better performance, and to have access from multiple printer servers ;-)
Now I'm trying to set up FC1 on the same network, to use the same printer... either directly as a "JetDirect" connection, or through the windows shared printer.
Don
Try running (as root) redhat-config-printer, and for your queue type, select "Networked JetDirect", put in the IP address of the JetDirect card for the printer name, leave the port at 9100, select the Maunfacturer (HP) and model (LaserJet 5Si?????), and you should be good to go.
For your Windows boxes, run the add printer setup wizard, and choose "local printer" instead of "Networked Printer" and instead of LPT1: for the port, use a standard TCP/IP port.....
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On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 12:31, Randy Kelsoe wrote:
Now I'm trying to set up FC1 on the same network, to use the same printer... either directly as a "JetDirect" connection, or through the windows shared printer.
If you want to print from your linux boxes to the windows printer (share): on the windows 2000+ server, go to start->settings->network and dialup connections->advanced menu->optional components->other network file and print services. Choose details... then print services for unix. You'll also want to confirm that the tcp/ip print server service is then set for automatic startup. You may need to `chkconfig cups-lpd on` at your linux box.
Why would you want to do this? For one thing, to take advantage of a common print spooler. Yes, you could set up linux and samba as the print spooler for your network, but it sounds like the original poster already has a working windows network in place.
Having multiple computers/spoolers attempting to make network connections to a single printer may work fine in many environments, but you'll see annoying connection errors if some machines are sending large files. One of my clients routinely sends 550MB print files (or larger) to their printers, so having one print spooler for each printer reduced contention.
Another reason is for printer accounting, paper billing, and so forth. Some windows shops also do printer pooling and/or establish multiple shares that point to the same physical device, albeit with different priorities for each share. For example, the ceo's print jobs preempt the jobs from other users, for example. Some print shares may also have time-of-day stipulations, so that extremely large jobs are held for night-time printing.
Yet another reason is security. There have been some network hacks of printers, so restricting through packet firewalls can be valuable in highly-secure (or highly public) environments.
This is not an argument for windows, linux, as400, or any other platform. On the contrary, it is simply an explanation as to why it sometimes makes sense to restrict network access to printers to certain spoolers.
HTH, Paul
Don
Try running (as root) redhat-config-printer, and for your queue type, select "Networked JetDirect", put in the IP address of the JetDirect card for the printer name, leave the port at 9100, select the Maunfacturer (HP) and model (LaserJet 5Si?????), and you should be good to go.
For your Windows boxes, run the add printer setup wizard, and choose "local printer" instead of "Networked Printer" and instead of LPT1: for the port, use a standard TCP/IP port.....
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Don wrote:
I did a clean install of FC1 and need to run it on an otherwise all MSWindows network....
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So, I thought I would try defining the printer as a "Networked Windows (SMB) Printer" (That's how most people in our office use it, I just like to be different :-) The list of hosts on the network was displayed, but I could not see any of the "shares" in order to see the printer I wanted to select.
Is samba installed on your FC1 machine and the printer is connected to you FC1? If so, either your firewall is block access to samba or your windows user is not allowed access to your Samba share. You might also want to check whether the password is encrypted or not.
At no point did I have to log on to the network, which sort of surprised me... maube that's why I can see the machines, but nothing ON those machines is visible.
You only have to log on if you use the samba server as a primary domain controller. I'm that experience with these things, but I think you have to set samba up that way. You would want the samba server to be a PDC if you want to be execute logon scripts and have server-connection every time you logon.
hope this helps.
Guus.
On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 20:38, A.J. Bonnema wrote:
Is samba installed on your FC1 machine and the printer is connected to you FC1? If so, either your firewall is block access to samba or your windows user is not allowed access to your Samba share. You might also want to check whether the password is encrypted or not.
When I installed FC1 I chose the "server install", but then selected "everything" ... so samba should be installed, but I didn't check. No, the printer is not connected to FC1. The printer is on the windows network. I want the FC1 box to be client on the windows network. I chose "no firewall" when I did the FC1 install... it's in a trusted environment...
I need to print on the HP LaserJet 5Si from FC1. Either directly via tcp/ip jetdirect card, or through the windows network.
Thanks, Don
it should have added smb support as a smb server .. i think the client also but anyways ... make sure you have a user and pass on your windows box for your network then just set the smb server and client to whatever your workgroup name is if you use gnome there is a network app button to click on and it will open connection to the smb network
On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 22:42, Don wrote:
On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 20:38, A.J. Bonnema wrote:
Is samba installed on your FC1 machine and the printer is connected to you FC1? If so, either your firewall is block access to samba or your windows user is not allowed access to your Samba share. You might also want to check whether the password is encrypted or not.
When I installed FC1 I chose the "server install", but then selected "everything" ... so samba should be installed, but I didn't check. No, the printer is not connected to FC1. The printer is on the windows network. I want the FC1 box to be client on the windows network. I chose "no firewall" when I did the FC1 install... it's in a trusted environment...
I need to print on the HP LaserJet 5Si from FC1. Either directly via tcp/ip jetdirect card, or through the windows network.
Thanks, Don
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On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 21:53, jason pearl wrote:
it should have added smb support as a smb server .. i think the client also but anyways ... make sure you have a user and pass on your windows box for your network then just set the smb server and client to whatever your workgroup name is if you use gnome there is a network app button to click on and it will open connection to the smb network
I don't think there is a workroup name.... there is a domain the pc is on... but I'll check.
So, I think I'm starting to get it.... in order for FC1 to see Windows shares, samba client and server have to be running on FC1... Does that sound right?
Thanks, Don
yes the samba client has to be running and for them to see u u have to have the samba server running but i think they both start... yes workgroup is usually the default domain
On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 23:14, Don wrote:
On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 21:53, jason pearl wrote:
it should have added smb support as a smb server .. i think the client also but anyways ... make sure you have a user and pass on your windows box for your network then just set the smb server and client to whatever your workgroup name is if you use gnome there is a network app button to click on and it will open connection to the smb network
I don't think there is a workroup name.... there is a domain the pc is on... but I'll check.
So, I think I'm starting to get it.... in order for FC1 to see Windows shares, samba client and server have to be running on FC1... Does that sound right?
Thanks, Don
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On Tuesday 02 December 2003 10:14 pm, Don wrote:
I don't think there is a workroup name.... there is a domain the pc is on... but I'll check.
So, I think I'm starting to get it.... in order for FC1 to see Windows shares, samba client and server have to be running on FC1... Does that sound right?
Thanks, Don
You certainly don't need Samba to connect to a jet-direct printer.
I'm not much of a network quru, but I've found that "netcat" is very helpful when setting up this kind of stuff. It's the swiss-army-knife of network tools. Very easy way to test network connectivity.
I use it all the time to send formatted postscript to a jet-direct HP printer, since I'm too lazy to configure a print spooler <grin>.
Google for "netcat" or check freshmeat.
Regards,
John
John Wendel jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil writes:
I'm not much of a network quru, but I've found that "netcat" is very helpful when setting up this kind of stuff. It's the swiss-army-knife of network tools. Very easy way to test network connectivity.
I use it all the time to send formatted postscript to a jet-direct HP printer, since I'm too lazy to configure a print spooler <grin>.
Google for "netcat" or check freshmeat.
Should part of your install as `nc-1.10-18' (possibly a different version number) Or get it with `up2date nc'
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 05:42, Don wrote:
I need to print on the HP LaserJet 5Si from FC1. Either directly via tcp/ip jetdirect card, or through the windows network.
Have you tried testing samba connectivity from the commandline? If the printer is known as \bigserver\printer to windows users. try:
$ smbclient -L bigserver [hit enter at password prompt; you should then see a list of shares including "printer"] $ w > /var/tmp/w $ smbclient //bigserver/printer -U windowsusername [put your windows password in at the password prompt] print /var/tmp/w
If you get the output of the "w" command, then the basic connectivity CAN be established and you just need to work out how to configure CUPS on Fedora to see that printer. Check out http://www.cups.org/cups-help.html . If you can't get smbclient to connect to the printer, check out the samba troubleshooting steps at http://samba.mirror.ac.uk/samba/docs/ .
Why not print directly to the laserjet? It is connected directly to the network isn't it? No samba needed in that case. Just plain old postscript. On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 00:42, Don wrote:
On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 20:38, A.J. Bonnema wrote:
Is samba installed on your FC1 machine and the printer is connected to you FC1? If so, either your firewall is block access to samba or your windows user is not allowed access to your Samba share. You might also want to check whether the password is encrypted or not.
When I installed FC1 I chose the "server install", but then selected "everything" ... so samba should be installed, but I didn't check. No, the printer is not connected to FC1. The printer is on the windows network. I want the FC1 box to be client on the windows network. I chose "no firewall" when I did the FC1 install... it's in a trusted environment...
I need to print on the HP LaserJet 5Si from FC1. Either directly via tcp/ip jetdirect card, or through the windows network.
Thanks, Don
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On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 23:07, Don wrote:
I did a clean install of FC1 and need to run it on an otherwise all MSWindows network....
I tried to set up a network printer (HP LaserJet 5Si) in two ways, with no success.
First as a JetDirect printer (this is how I have it set from my windows machine and it works fine.)
I can ping the printer ok, so the connection is there, but when I try to print a test page, I get a blank sheet with a single line drawn across the top. (I'm using the recommended driver (hp5gray, if I recall correctly.)
So, I thought I would try defining the printer as a "Networked Windows (SMB) Printer" (That's how most people in our office use it, I just like to be different :-) The list of hosts on the network was displayed, but I could not see any of the "shares" in order to see the printer I wanted to select.
At no point did I have to log on to the network, which sort of surprised me... maube that's why I can see the machines, but nothing ON those machines is visible.
Any suggestions?
Thanks, Don
Did you install the hpijs package? This is from HP to work with their printers. I am able to print to several HP 4050N laser printers over JetDirect and a few color laser Tektronic printers. Make sure you have the hpijs RPM installed and then try to add the printer again. From the printer selection, make sure you choose HP and then look for your model in the list.
If you cannot get any of the HP drivers from the hpijs package to work, you should be able to use plain post script.
Jim Drabb
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:16:02PM -0500, James Drabb wrote:
On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 23:07, Don wrote:
I did a clean install of FC1 and need to run it on an otherwise all MSWindows network....
I tried to set up a network printer (HP LaserJet 5Si) in two ways, with no success.
First as a JetDirect printer (this is how I have it set from my windows machine and it works fine.)
You should be able to configure it as a "Unix" or "lpd" printer. The JetDirect software in any modern LaserJet emulates a unix lpd print system. use the queuename "raw". Specify the printer's IP address. Voila!
I can ping the printer ok, so the connection is there, but when I try to print a test page, I get a blank sheet with a single line drawn across the top. (I'm using the recommended driver (hp5gray, if I recall correctly.)
So, I thought I would try defining the printer as a "Networked Windows (SMB) Printer" (That's how most people in our office use it, I just like to be different :-) The list of hosts on the network was displayed, but I could not see any of the "shares" in order to see the printer I wanted to select.
Nah, not the right way to go. It should work, as long as the printer is shared by a windoze box, but why not print directly to it instead?
At no point did I have to log on to the network, which sort of surprised me... maube that's why I can see the machines, but nothing ON those machines is visible.
Any suggestions?
Thanks, Don
Did you install the hpijs package? This is from HP to work with their printers. I am able to print to several HP 4050N laser printers over JetDirect and a few color laser Tektronic printers. Make sure you have the hpijs RPM installed and then try to add the printer again. From the printer selection, make sure you choose HP and then look for your model in the list.
Which printer driver to use is a somewhat separate issue from how to define it in the print spooler.
Once you've got the spooler defined and chosen the printr type then you get to pick the driver. I'd suggest visiting linuxprinting.org to see what they say about which driver is best. I see a note there from a user saying the hpijs driver is waaaaaaay slow.
If you cannot get any of the HP drivers from the hpijs package to work, you should be able to use plain post script.
Jim Drabb
James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA
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