I've stopped receiving mail from fedora users

[Sherman Grunewagon]

For the past few days I've stopped receiving e-mail from the fedora list.

I' checked my fedora membership mailing list config and found this:

We have received some recent bounces from your address.  Your current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0.
   Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and that there are no problems with delivery to this address.
   Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are corrected soon.

I can't see anything out of order on my ymail.com account profile. (I've changed nothing.)

There are no filters and no blocking set. I really don't know what to do at this point. Who should I contact and what else should I check?

Any help will be appreciated!  (I'll monitor http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/)

[Joe Zeff]

On 04/19/2013 11:11 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> There are no filters and no blocking set. I really don't know what to do at this point. Who should I contact and what else should I check?

Normally I don't recommend having replies go to both you and the list (I 
consider it redundant unless there are special circumstances.) but if 
you hadn't, I would have.  Check with your email provider to see if 
they've had any difficulties.  At the worst, it can't hurt.

[Geoffrey Leach]

On 04/19/2013 11:11:58 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> For the past few days I've stopped receiving e-mail from the fedora
> list.
>
> I' checked my fedora membership mailing list config and found this:
>
> We have received some recent bounces from your address.  Your
> current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0.
>    Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and
> that there are no problems with delivery to this address.
>    Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are
> corrected soon.
>
> I can't see anything out of order on my ymail.com account profile.
> (I've changed nothing.)
>
> There are no filters and no blocking set. I really don't know what to
> do at this point. Who should I contact and what else should I check?

Log into your membership options at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/
mailman/options/users and check the Mail delivery option.

FWIW for me this is a major annoyance, as it happens every few months. 
Requests to the list administrator for details (so that whatever the 
problem is might be corrected) have gone unanswered.

[staticsafe]

On 4/19/2013 19:41, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> On 04/19/2013 11:11:58 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > For the past few days I've stopped receiving e-mail from the fedora
> > list.
> >
> > I' checked my fedora membership mailing list config and found this:
> >
> > We have received some recent bounces from your address.  Your
> > current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0.
> >    Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and
> > that there are no problems with delivery to this address.
> >    Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are
> > corrected soon.
> >
> > I can't see anything out of order on my ymail.com account profile.
> > (I've changed nothing.)
> >
> > There are no filters and no blocking set. I really don't know what to
> > do at this point. Who should I contact and what else should I check?
>
> Log into your membership options at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/
> mailman/options/users and check the Mail delivery option.
>
> FWIW for me this is a major annoyance, as it happens every few months. 
> Requests to the list administrator for details (so that whatever the 
> problem is might be corrected) have gone unanswered.

That sounds like your mail provider is having deliverability issues, I
would contact them about it.

[Reindl Harald]

Am 20.04.2013 04:18, schrieb staticsafe:
> > Log into your membership options at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/
> > mailman/options/users and check the Mail delivery option.
> >
> > FWIW for me this is a major annoyance, as it happens every few months. 
> > Requests to the list administrator for details (so that whatever the 
> > problem is might be corrected) have gone unanswered.
>
> That sounds like your mail provider is having deliverability issues, I
> would contact them about it

it may also be the case that some posts contains URLs which are
caught by a spam filter as it was multiple times the case for me
on the ffmpeg-list where users provided file links which are caught
by "Baccardua Networks Zero Hour Intent" which overrides even whitelisting

the ffmpeg list is suspending your membership by THREE rejets within
a month what is a broken concept, but never saw this behavior from
fedora lists

[Joe Wulf]

I'm in the same boat.  I've received an email requiring me to 'confirm' my email address.  I've been with yahoo for a decade+.  Mail has been reliable, solid and steady... the fedora mailing lists are the ONLY ones where I periodically get warnings about too many 'bounces'.  I was pleasantly suprised to see someone else identifying the issue.
> From: staticsafe 
> To: [e-mail] 
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:18 PM
> Subject: Re: I've stopped receiving mail from fedora users
>
> On 4/19/2013 19:41, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> > On 04/19/2013 11:11:58 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > > For the past few days I've stopped receiving e-mail from the fedora
> > > list.
> > >
> > > I' checked my fedora membership mailing list config and found this:
> > >
> > > We have received some recent bounces from your address.  Your
> > > current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0.
> > >     Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and
> > > that there are no problems with delivery to this address.
> > >     Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are
> > > corrected soon.
> > >
> > > I can't see anything out of order on my ymail.com account profile.
> > > (I've changed nothing.)
> > >
> > > There are no filters and no blocking set. I really don't know what to
> > > do at this point. Who should I contact and what else should I check?
> >
> > Log into your membership options at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/
> > mailman/options/users and check the Mail delivery option.
> >
> > FWIW for me this is a major annoyance, as it happens every few months. 
> > Requests to the list administrator for details (so that whatever the 
> > problem is might be corrected) have gone unanswered.
>
> That sounds like your mail provider is having deliverability issues, I
> would contact them about it.
>
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[Sherman Grunewagon]

On Fri, April 19, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> On 04/19/2013 11:11:58 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > For the past few days I've stopped receiving e-mail from the fedora
> > list.
> >
> > I' checked my fedora membership mailing list config and found this:
> >
> > We have received some recent bounces from your address.  Your
> > current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0.
> >     Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and
> > that there are no problems with delivery to this address.
> >     Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are
> > corrected soon.
> >
> > I can't see anything out of order on my ymail.com account profile.
> > (I've changed nothing.)
> >
> > There are no filters and no blocking set. I really don't know what to
> > do at this point. Who should I contact and what else should I check?
>
> Log into your membership options at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/
> mailman/options/users and check the Mail delivery option.
>
> FWIW for me this is a major annoyance, as it happens every few months.
> Requests to the list administrator for details (so that whatever the
> problem is might be corrected) have gone unanswered.

Thanks.  I checked it and it is set to "enabled", so that's not it.  I guess
I got your e-mail because you kindly sent it to me and copied the
list.  I'm still not getting anything from the list directly.

Sherman

[staticsafe]

On 4/20/2013 3:24, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> On Fri, April 19, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> > On 04/19/2013 11:11:58 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > > For the past few days I've stopped receiving e-mail from the fedora
> > > list.
> > >
> > > I' checked my fedora membership mailing list config and found this:
> > > We have received some recent bounces from your address.  Your
> > >
> > > current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0.
> > >     Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and
> > > that there are no problems with delivery to this address.
> > >     Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are
> > > corrected soon.
> > >
> > > I can't see anything out of order on my ymail.com account profile.
> > > (I've changed nothing.)
> > >
> > > There are no filters and no blocking set. I really don't know what to
> > > do at this point. Who should I contact and what else should I check?
> >
> > Log into your membership options at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/
> > mailman/options/users and check the Mail delivery option.
> >
> > FWIW for me this is a major annoyance, as it happens every few months.
> > Requests to the list administrator for details (so that whatever the
> > problem is might be corrected) have gone unanswered.
>
> Thanks.  I checked it and it is set to "enabled", so that's not it.  I guess
> I got your e-mail because you kindly sent it to me and copied the
> list.  I'm still not getting anything from the list directly.
>
> Sherman

Hmm, can you try something?

Send an e-mail to [e-mail] with the subject
"help" (without the quotes).

Do you get a response back from the list server?

[Sherman Grunewagon]

On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 6:52 AM, staticsafe wrote:
> On 4/20/2013 3:24, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > On Fri, April 19, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> > > On 04/19/2013 11:11:58 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > > > For the past few days I've stopped receiving e-mail from the fedora
> > > > list.
> > > >
> > > > I' checked my fedora membership mailing list config and found this:
> > > >
> > > > We have received some recent bounces from your address.  Your
> > > > current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0.
> > > >     Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and
> > > > that there are no problems with delivery to this address.
> > > >     Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are
> > > > corrected soon.
> > > >
> > > > I can't see anything out of order on my ymail.com account profile.
> > > > (I've changed nothing.)
> > > >
> > > > There are no filters and no blocking set. I really don't know what to
> > > > do at this point. Who should I contact and what else should I check?
> > >
> > > Log into your membership options at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/
> > > mailman/options/users and check the Mail delivery option.
> > >
> > > FWIW for me this is a major annoyance, as it happens every few months.
> > > Requests to the list administrator for details (so that whatever the
> > > problem is might be corrected) have gone unanswered.
> >
> > Thanks.  I checked it and it is set to "enabled", so that's not it.  I guess
> > I got your e-mail because you kindly sent it to me and copied the
> > list.  I'm still not getting anything from the list directly.
> >
> > Sherman
>
> Hmm, can you try something?
>
> Send an e-mail to [e-mail] with the subject
> "help" (without the quotes).
>
> Do you get a response back from the list server?

I sent a help request half an hour ago and nothing has come back.

But here's something strange.  Between 4:30pm and 5:06pm today about
15 messages from [e-mail] came dribbling into my
ymail.com account.  They seem to be from dates ranging from the 16th
to 19th of April and have come in _random_ date order.  Some earlier
arrivals have later sent dates.  The most recent arrival, from Kevin
Martin, was sent on the 16th! I've included the headers below.  It
arrived in my ymail.com mailbox at 5:06PM PDT today.  It seems to have
waited on fedora's machine till today to be sent.  Strange.  (The only
change I made to the headers is to x-out Martin's e-mail address.)

Sherman

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[Sherman Grunewagon]

.On Sat Apr 20 at 15:27:11 UTC David Boles wrote:
> On 4/20/2013 3:24 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > On Fri, April 19, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> > > On 04/19/2013 11:11:58 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > > > For the past few days I've stopped receiving e-mail from the fedora
> > > > list.
> > > >
> > > > I' checked my fedora membership mailing list config and found this:
> > > >
> > > > We have received some recent bounces from your address.  Your
> > > > current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0.
> > > >      Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and
> > > > that there are no problems with delivery to this address.
> > > >      Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are
> > > > corrected soon.
> > > >
> > > > I can't see anything out of order on my ymail.com account profile.
> > > > (I've changed nothing.)
> > > >
> > > > There are no filters and no blocking set. I really don't know what to
> > > > do at this point. Who should I contact and what else should I check?
> > >
> > > Log into your membership options at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/
> > > mailman/options/users and check the Mail delivery option.
> > >
> > > FWIW for me this is a major annoyance, as it happens every few months.
> > > Requests to the list administrator for details (so that whatever the
> > > problem is might be corrected) have gone unanswered.
> >
> > Thanks.  I checked it and it is set to "enabled", so that's not it.  I guess
> > I got your e-mail because you kindly sent it to me and copied the
> > list.  I'm still not getting anything from the list directly.
> >
> > Sherman
>
> Yahoo mail was hacked several weeks ago. Did you follow the directions
> to correct your account?

My ymail.com account is only 21 days old. Is the hack is an issue?

Sherman

[David]

On 4/21/2013 12:09 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> .On Sat Apr 20 at 15:27:11 UTC David Boles wrote:
> > On 4/20/2013 3:24 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > > On Fri, April 19, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> > > > On 04/19/2013 11:11:58 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > > > > For the past few days I've stopped receiving e-mail from the fedora
> > > > > list.
> > > > >
> > > > > I' checked my fedora membership mailing list config and found this:
> > > > >  We have received some recent bounces from your address.  Your
> > > > >
> > > > > current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0.
> > > > >      Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and
> > > > > that there are no problems with delivery to this address.
> > > > >      Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are
> > > > > corrected soon.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't see anything out of order on my ymail.com account profile.
> > > > > (I've changed nothing.)
> > > > >
> > > > > There are no filters and no blocking set. I really don't know what to
> > > > > do at this point. Who should I contact and what else should I check?
> > > >
> > > > Log into your membership options at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/
> > > > mailman/options/users and check the Mail delivery option.
> > > >
> > > > FWIW for me this is a major annoyance, as it happens every few months.
> > > > Requests to the list administrator for details (so that whatever the
> > > > problem is might be corrected) have gone unanswered.
> > >
> > > Thanks.  I checked it and it is set to "enabled", so that's not it.  I guess
> > > I got your e-mail because you kindly sent it to me and copied the
> > > list.  I'm still not getting anything from the list directly.
> > >
> > > Sherman
> >
> > Yahoo mail was hacked several weeks ago. Did you follow the directions
> > to correct your account?
>
> My ymail.com account is only 21 days old. Is the hack is an issue?
>
> Sherman

I do not know. I do not have anything to do with Yahoo or any form of
Yahoo mail.

I only mentioned it since you were getting some really strange, it
seemed to me, suggestions. As well as many 'try this' suggestions'. I
dislike 'try this' suggestions.

Personally I prefer Gmail (googlemail). In my experience they have a
much better control than Yahoo has. To repeat. *Personal experience*.

This is where the Enail Server flame war starts...   :-)

I wish that i could offer better help.

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 21:09:06 -0700 (PDT)
Sherman Grunewagon  wrote:
> My ymail.com account is only 21 days old. Is the hack is an issue?

No, but yahoo is.

We (fedoraproject.org) consistently have issues with yahoo mail
servers. They frequently block our mail, defer it or just don't deliver
it.

I would strongly advise you to choose another free email provider.
google or hotmail both seem to do fine, but I am sure there are others.

This is as true today as when Mike wrote it about 3.5 years ago:

http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/37248.html

kevin

[Sherman Grunewagon]

On Sun, 21 Apr at 14:15:44, Kevin Fenzi
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 21:09:06 -0700 (PDT)
> Sherman Grunewagon  wrote:
> > My ymail.com account is only 21 days old. Is the hack is an issue?
>
> No, but yahoo is.
>
> We (fedoraproject.org) consistently have issues with yahoo mail
> servers. They frequently block our mail, defer it or just don't deliver
> it.
>
> I would strongly advise you to choose another free email provider.
> google or hotmail both seem to do fine, but I am sure there are others.
>
> This is as true today as when Mike wrote it about 3.5 years ago:
>
> http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/37248.html

Thanks.  I'll switch to another e-mail service.

Sherman

[poma]

On 24.04.2013 17:56, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Apr at 14:15:44, Kevin Fenzi

[…]
> > We (fedoraproject.org) consistently have issues with yahoo mail
> > servers. They frequently block our mail, defer it or just don't deliver
> > it.
> >
> > I would strongly advise you to choose another free email provider.
> > google or hotmail both seem to do fine, but I am sure there are others.
> >
> > This is as true today as when Mike wrote it about 3.5 years ago:
> >
> > http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/37248.html
>
> Thanks.  I'll switch to another e-mail service.
>
> Sherman

I think you've finally got the message. :)
And you'll no longer need to play owl within a
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/ :)

poma

[David]

On 4/20/2013 3:24 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> On Fri, April 19, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> > On 04/19/2013 11:11:58 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > > For the past few days I've stopped receiving e-mail from the fedora
> > > list.
> > >
> > > I' checked my fedora membership mailing list config and found this:
> > > We have received some recent bounces from your address.  Your
> > >
> > > current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0.
> > >     Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and
> > > that there are no problems with delivery to this address.
> > >     Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are
> > > corrected soon.
> > >
> > > I can't see anything out of order on my ymail.com account profile.
> > > (I've changed nothing.)
> > >
> > > There are no filters and no blocking set. I really don't know what to
> > > do at this point. Who should I contact and what else should I check?
> >
> > Log into your membership options at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/
> > mailman/options/users and check the Mail delivery option.
> >
> > FWIW for me this is a major annoyance, as it happens every few months.
> > Requests to the list administrator for details (so that whatever the
> > problem is might be corrected) have gone unanswered.
>
> Thanks.  I checked it and it is set to "enabled", so that's not it.  I guess
> I got your e-mail because you kindly sent it to me and copied the
> list.  I'm still not getting anything from the list directly.
>
> Sherman

Yahoo mail was hacked several weeks ago. Did you follow the directions
to correct your account?

[Richard Vickery]

On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 8:27 AM, David  wrote:
> On 4/20/2013 3:24 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > On Fri, April 19, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> > > On 04/19/2013 11:11:58 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> Yahoo mail was hacked several weeks ago. Did you follow the directions
> to correct your account?
>
> --
>
> David

Since we are all hackers all working to create an increasingly better
product, can we please refrain from abusing the term by calling a
compromised system "hacked"? It does nothing but give hacking a bad name.

Thanks David.

[poma]

On 04/19/2013 08:11 PM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> For the past few days I've stopped receiving e-mail from the fedora list.
>
> I' checked my fedora membership mailing list config and found this:
>
> We have received some recent bounces from your address.  Your current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0.
>    Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and that there are no problems with delivery to this address.
>    Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are corrected soon.
>
> I can't see anything out of order on my ymail.com account profile. (I've changed nothing.)

Can order see anything out of you? :)
> There are no filters and no blocking set. I really don't know what to do at this point. Who should I contact and what else should I check?
>
> Any help will be appreciated!  (I'll monitor http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/)

Dude, what's up?

poma