FAIL: Thunderbird: Replying to thread

[Rich Emberson]

I use gmail.

When I reply to a thread using Thunderbird, the response never
shows up, but, if I include the email of the person who wrote
the thread I am responding to, that person gets the email.

On the other hand, if I log in to my gmail account, the
I can post a response, that that response appears as a new,
top-level discussion thread.

How do I response to a message in a thread using Thunderbird
and have the [e-mail] accept it?

Thanks
Richard

[JD]

On 07/28/2015 04:28 PM, Rich Emberson wrote:
> I use gmail.
>
> When I reply to a thread using Thunderbird, the response never
> shows up, but, if I include the email of the person who wrote
> the thread I am responding to, that person gets the email.
>
> On the other hand, if I log in to my gmail account, the
> I can post a response, that that response appears as a new,
> top-level discussion thread.
>
> How do I response to a message in a thread using Thunderbird
> and have the [e-mail] 
>  accept it?
>
> Thanks
> Richard

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[Greg Woods]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Rich Emberson 
wrote:
> When I reply to a thread using Thunderbird, the response never
> shows up, but, if I include the email of the person who wrote
> the thread I am responding to, that person gets the email.
>
> On the other hand, if I log in to my gmail account

Stop right there. This unfortunately sounds like a well-known Google-ism.
If you send mail to a mailing list that you are on, it does not put the
message in your Inbox. Our users have complained about this countless
times, but Google is a giant and we are small potatoes, so it's not going
to change.

Check and see if the messages in question are in your All Mail folder (if
you are able to see this through an IMAP connection with Thunderbird).
Otherwise you would need to log in to your Gmail account through the
browser interface to check.

I do manage to get the mailing list mail into my Inbox, but only because I
have filters (at Google) that explicitly label the mailing list messages.

--Greg

[Heinz Diehl]

On 29.07.2015, Greg Woods wrote:
> Stop right there. This unfortunately sounds like a well-known Google-ism.
> If you send mail to a mailing list that you are on, it does not put the
> message in your Inbox.

Though I'm not a Thunderbird user, I wonder why it shouldn't be able
to store a copy of your mail in the INBOX folder. I mean Thunderbird,
not Google.

After all, IMAP is nothing more than a bunch of directories. Maybe I'm
missing something..

Mutt, which is what I'm using, allows specifying where I want to have
my sent emails stored ("set record"), maybe Thunderbird can do the
same?

Another part of the problem may be that you haven't sorted your
listmail into seperate folders. This being the case, your email will
be sorted correctly when returned by the listserver..

[Rick Stevens]

On 07/28/2015 11:31 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On 29.07.2015, Greg Woods wrote:
> > Stop right there. This unfortunately sounds like a well-known Google-ism.
> > If you send mail to a mailing list that you are on, it does not put the
> > message in your Inbox.
>
> Though I'm not a Thunderbird user, I wonder why it shouldn't be able
> to store a copy of your mail in the INBOX folder. I mean Thunderbird,
> not Google.
>
> After all, IMAP is nothing more than a bunch of directories. Maybe I'm
> missing something..
>
> Mutt, which is what I'm using, allows specifying where I want to have
> my sent emails stored ("set record"), maybe Thunderbird can do the
> same?
>
> Another part of the problem may be that you haven't sorted your
> listmail into seperate folders. This being the case, your email will
> be sorted correctly when returned by the listserver..

I believe the gmail thing is related to an internal filter they have.
If gmail sees a message with a "From" address that matches yours, it
assumes you've already seen the reply (heck, you supposedly wrote it!)
and doesn't flag the reply as "Unread". The reply _is_ in the inbox of
the gmail account, but without the "Unread" flag Thunderbird doesn't
know that it should pick it up.

Simple when you think about it. And before you ask, no, I don't know of
a way to disable that "feature" of gmail.
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[Greg Woods]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Rick Stevens  wrote:
> The reply _is_ in the inbox of
> the gmail account, but without the "Unread" flag

It's more than that. I use the web interface for Gmail, and messages from
myself are not in the Inbox AT ALL, it just goes into the archive (All
Mail).  Curiously, if I explicitly Cc: myself, then it does go to Inbox.

I get around it the same way Ed does, but explicitly labeling mailing list
mail. In that case, the new messages from me are not marked unread and do
get the label for the mailing list.

The original point was, this is a "feature" of Gmail, not of the Fedora
users list.

--Greg

[Bob Goodwin]

On 29/07/15 13:30, Greg Woods wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Rick Stevens <[e-mail] 
> > wrote:
> The reply _is_ in the inbox of
> the gmail account, but without the "Unread" flag
>
>
> It's more than that. I use the web interface for Gmail, and messages 
> from myself are not in the Inbox AT ALL, it just goes into the archive 
> (All Mail).  Curiously, if I explicitly Cc: myself, then it does go to 
> Inbox.
>
> I get around it the same way Ed does, but explicitly labeling mailing 
> list mail. In that case, the new messages from me are not marked 
> unread and do get the label for the mailing list.
>
> The original point was, this is a "feature" of Gmail, not of the 
> Fedora users list.
>
> --Greg

.

Perhaps I don't understand the question but what I have always done is:

Account Settings > Copies & Folders

and then check the box:  Bcc these email addresses    [my address]

That way I always have a copy in the proper place in the thread and it 
all appears logically.

Bob

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/29/15 07:02, Greg Woods wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Rich Emberson <[e-mail] > wrote:
> When I reply to a thread using Thunderbird, the response never
> shows up, but, if I include the email of the person who wrote
> the thread I am responding to, that person gets the email.
>
> On the other hand, if I log in to my gmail account
>
>
> Stop right there. This unfortunately sounds like a well-known Google-ism. If you send mail to a mailing list that you are on, it does not put the message in your Inbox. Our users have complained about this countless times, but Google is a giant and we are small potatoes, so it's not going to change.

Yes, I use T-Bird almost exclusively and without issue.  A "simple" way, and the way I use, to fix it is to use gmail's filters to put emails from mailing lists into their own folder and bypass the INBOX.

I prefer to do it that way since that is how I've things for  a long time....dating back to when I ran my own mail server.  I also have different retention lengths for various mailing lists which is managed by T-Bird.  Why should I archive everything when fedora holds it?  :-)
> Check and see if the messages in question are in your All Mail folder (if you are able to see this through an IMAP connection with Thunderbird). Otherwise you would need to log in to your Gmail account through the browser interface to check.
>
> I do manage to get the mailing list mail into my Inbox, but only because I have filters (at Google) that explicitly label the mailing list messages.