I am displaying IEEE 802 standard pdfs. In Acrobat that I get for Fedora from Adobe's repo, the font used is basically unreadable, particularly when I display it on the monitor in the meeting room.
But switching to Evince document viewer, the fonts are 'normal' and readable by myself and everyone in the room.
This is not 'new' in Fedora 20; the group has been complaining to me about this at least back in F17.
I cannot find where Acrobat selects its fonts or what font Evince is using. I have another session tomorrow and I would really like to get this fixed up. Please help figure out the font selection.
Thanks from IEEE 802 Wireless Interim meeting.
On Tue, 13 May 2014 15:23:27 -1000 Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Please help figure out the font selection.
I have occasionally poked around in acrobat with a stick and never determined why wacky fonts happen. It seems to depend on the document, and I've sometimes suspected when the document claims to refer to "standard" postscript fonts that are supposed to be "built-in" that acrobat goes completely looney. Other PDF documents have no problem in acrobat.
I gave up a long time ago and just use evince all the time.
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com wrote:
I am displaying IEEE 802 standard pdfs. In Acrobat that I get for Fedora from Adobe's repo, the font used is basically unreadable, particularly when I display it on the monitor in the meeting room. ...
I don't understand why this should be more noticeable when displaying it on the monitor in the reading room, unless it's a resolution problem.
However, in my notes for installing Acrobat Reader, I have:
The following are needed for Acrobat Reader # yum install PackageKit-gtk-module.i686 gtk2-engines.i686 \ libcanberra-gtk2.i686 libcanberra-gtk3.i686 # yum install AdobeReader_enu
Do you have all these packages?
On 05/13/2014 05:47 PM, Dale Dellutri wrote:
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com wrote:
I am displaying IEEE 802 standard pdfs. In Acrobat that I get for Fedora from Adobe's repo, the font used is basically unreadable, particularly when I display it on the monitor in the meeting room. ...
I don't understand why this should be more noticeable when displaying it on the monitor in the reading room, unless it's a resolution problem.
Because it is almost readable on the LCD, but when it gets projected on the screen for some reason there are all sorts of vertical lines next to many of the characters.
However, in my notes for installing Acrobat Reader, I have:
The following are needed for Acrobat Reader # yum install PackageKit-gtk-module.i686
no.
gtk2-engines.i686 \
no
libcanberra-gtk2.i686 libcanberra-gtk3.i686
no and no
# yum install AdobeReader_enu
Installed: AdobeReader_enu-9.5.5-1.i486
Do you have all these packages?
So I guess I should try installing these additional packages...
On 14/05/14 07:56, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 05/13/2014 05:47 PM, Dale Dellutri wrote:
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com wrote:
I am displaying IEEE 802 standard pdfs. In Acrobat that I get for Fedora from Adobe's repo, the font used is basically unreadable, particularly when I display it on the monitor in the meeting room. ...
I don't understand why this should be more noticeable when displaying it on the monitor in the reading room, unless it's a resolution problem.
Because it is almost readable on the LCD, but when it gets projected on the screen for some reason there are all sorts of vertical lines next to many of the characters.
If I recall/understand correctly, Adobe Reader uses font antialiasing by default, something called Cooltype; whereas evince, and almost all the Linux PDF readers built against poppler, don't apply any font antialiasing/smoothing. I'd try tinkering with the font settings in Adobe Reader ("font smoothing" settings).
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On Tue, 2014-05-13 at 19:56 -1000, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
it is almost readable on the LCD, but when it gets projected on the screen for some reason there are all sorts of vertical lines next to many of the characters.
That sounds like "ringing," often caused by bad cabling, or badly designed input and output video stages. If it appears different for different fonts, it could be due to some fonts having sharp edges (which sets off ringing), and others having smoothed/aliased edges (which won't ring as bad). Bigger and fatter fonts minimise that artifact, too. Turning down the sharpness control, on the projector, could help, too (often the normal position is with the control turned fully down - it provides a variable artificial sharpness boost, ranging from none to too much, but doesn't do the opposite and provide artificial smoothing, with normal being adjusted half-way).
On 05/13/2014 05:47 PM, Dale Dellutri wrote:
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com wrote:
I am displaying IEEE 802 standard pdfs. In Acrobat that I get for Fedora from Adobe's repo, the font used is basically unreadable, particularly when I display it on the monitor in the meeting room. ...
I don't understand why this should be more noticeable when displaying it on the monitor in the reading room, unless it's a resolution problem.
Because it is almost readable on the LCD, but when it gets projected on the screen for some reason there are all sorts of vertical lines next to many of the characters.
However, in my notes for installing Acrobat Reader, I have:
The following are needed for Acrobat Reader # yum install PackageKit-gtk-module.i686
no.
gtk2-engines.i686 \
no
libcanberra-gtk2.i686 libcanberra-gtk3.i686
no and no
# yum install AdobeReader_enu
Installed: AdobeReader_enu-9.5.5-1.i486
Do you have all these packages?
So I guess I should try installing these additional packages...
On 05/13/2014 05:47 PM, Dale Dellutri wrote:
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com wrote:
I am displaying IEEE 802 standard pdfs. In Acrobat that I get for Fedora from Adobe's repo, the font used is basically unreadable, particularly when I display it on the monitor in the meeting room. ...
I don't understand why this should be more noticeable when displaying it on the monitor in the reading room, unless it's a resolution problem.
However, in my notes for installing Acrobat Reader, I have:
The following are needed for Acrobat Reader # yum install PackageKit-gtk-module.i686 gtk2-engines.i686 \ libcanberra-gtk2.i686 libcanberra-gtk3.i686
# yum install PackageKit-gtk-module.i686 Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit No package PackageKit-gtk-module.i686 available.
All the rest and a bunch of dependencies installed.
A little better in rendering the font, but the chosen font is this little skinny font that is really not readable and will not project well compared with whatever font evince is using.
# yum install AdobeReader_enu
Do you have all these packages?
On Wed, 14 May 2014 04:06:43 pm Robert Moskowitz wrote:
A little better in rendering the font, but the chosen font is this little skinny font that is really not readable and will not project well compared with whatever font evince is using.
Is the example at http://i.imgur.com/8hrG3Tp.png the sort of thing that you are seeing? I have a few documents like this. The pdffonts program reports, for one of them:
pdffonts USB\ 3.1\ Specification\ Welcome\ Message.pdf
name type emb sub uni object ID ------------------------------------ ----------------- --- --- --- --------- Arial TrueType no no no 5 0 Arial CID TrueType yes no yes 8 0 Symbol CID TrueType yes no yes 13 0
Installing the msttcorefonts package will provide Arial. This fixed the problem for me.
On 05/14/2014 12:33 AM, Anthony Shipman wrote:
On Wed, 14 May 2014 04:06:43 pm Robert Moskowitz wrote:
A little better in rendering the font, but the chosen font is this little skinny font that is really not readable and will not project well compared with whatever font evince is using.
Is the example at http://i.imgur.com/8hrG3Tp.png the sort of thing that you are seeing? I have a few documents like this.
Yep. That is what I am seeing in Acrobat.
The pdffonts program reports, for one of them:
pdffonts USB\ 3.1\ Specification\ Welcome\ Message.pdf
name type emb sub uni object ID
Arial TrueType no no no 5 0 Arial CID TrueType yes no yes 8 0 Symbol CID TrueType yes no yes 13 0
Installing the msttcorefonts package will provide Arial. This fixed the problem for me.
What rpm provides this? I tried a couple of 'whatprovides' and came up empty.
On 05/14/14 22:08, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 05/14/2014 12:33 AM, Anthony Shipman wrote:
On Wed, 14 May 2014 04:06:43 pm Robert Moskowitz wrote:
A little better in rendering the font, but the chosen font is this little skinny font that is really not readable and will not project well compared with whatever font evince is using.
Is the example at http://i.imgur.com/8hrG3Tp.png the sort of thing that you are seeing? I have a few documents like this.
Yep. That is what I am seeing in Acrobat.
The pdffonts program reports, for one of them:
pdffonts USB\ 3.1\ Specification\ Welcome\ Message.pdf
name type emb sub uni object ID
Arial TrueType no no no 5 0 Arial CID TrueType yes no yes 8 0 Symbol CID TrueType yes no yes 13 0
Installing the msttcorefonts package will provide Arial. This fixed the problem for me.
What rpm provides this? I tried a couple of 'whatprovides' and came up empty.
Google is your friend.....
http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/
On 05/14/2014 04:36 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 05/14/14 22:08, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 05/14/2014 12:33 AM, Anthony Shipman wrote:
On Wed, 14 May 2014 04:06:43 pm Robert Moskowitz wrote:
A little better in rendering the font, but the chosen font is this little skinny font that is really not readable and will not project well compared with whatever font evince is using.
Is the example at http://i.imgur.com/8hrG3Tp.png the sort of thing that you are seeing? I have a few documents like this.
Yep. That is what I am seeing in Acrobat.
The pdffonts program reports, for one of them:
pdffonts USB\ 3.1\ Specification\ Welcome\ Message.pdf
name type emb sub uni object ID
Arial TrueType no no no 5 0 Arial CID TrueType yes no yes 8 0 Symbol CID TrueType yes no yes 13 0
Installing the msttcorefonts package will provide Arial. This fixed the problem for me.
What rpm provides this? I tried a couple of 'whatprovides' and came up empty.
Google is your friend.....
My google foo is weak. Maybe that is because I knew Page when he was quite young; his father was one of my profs.
Nice, but that means you have to do the build yourself. Is this in any additional repos for Fedora?
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.comwrote:
http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/
Nice, but that means you have to do the build yourself. Is this in any additional repos for Fedora?
As I understand it, licensing of the fonts prevents distribution that way. But I did it once and rebuilding the spec file as per their instructions auto-downloads everything necessary and delivers a neat, easy package to install. Not at all hard, just follow the instructions.
On 05/14/14 14:42, Alan Evans wrote:
Nice, but that means you have to do the build yourself. Is this in any additional repos for Fedora?As I understand it, licensing of the fonts prevents distribution that way. But I did it once and rebuilding the spec file as per their instructions auto-downloads everything necessary and delivers a neat, easy package to install. Not at all hard, just follow the instructions.
I just tried it doing as described in http://sayaksarkar.wordpress.com/2013/06/02/installing-microsoft-truetype-fo....
It took about five minutes and the fonts appear in LO, Fedora 20 64 bit.
Bob
05/14/2014 11:30 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 05/14/2014 04:36 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 05/14/14 22:08, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 05/14/2014 12:33 AM, Anthony Shipman wrote:
On Wed, 14 May 2014 04:06:43 pm Robert Moskowitz wrote:
A little better in rendering the font, but the chosen font is this little skinny font that is really not readable and will not project well compared with whatever font evince is using.
Is the example at http://i.imgur.com/8hrG3Tp.png the sort of thing that you are seeing? I have a few documents like this.
Yep. That is what I am seeing in Acrobat.
The pdffonts program reports, for one of them:
pdffonts USB\ 3.1\ Specification\ Welcome\ Message.pdf
name type emb sub uni object ID
Arial TrueType no no no 5 0 Arial CID TrueType yes no yes 8 0 Symbol CID TrueType yes no yes 13 0
Installing the msttcorefonts package will provide Arial. This fixed the problem for me.
What rpm provides this? I tried a couple of 'whatprovides' and came up empty.
Google is your friend.....
My google foo is weak. Maybe that is because I knew Page when he was quite young; his father was one of my profs.
Nice, but that means you have to do the build yourself. Is this in any additional repos for Fedora?
I found this:
http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-the-microsoft-core-fonts-on-fedora-18-and-1...
On 05/14/2014 08:58 AM, Mike Wright wrote:
05/14/2014 11:30 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 05/14/2014 04:36 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 05/14/14 22:08, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 05/14/2014 12:33 AM, Anthony Shipman wrote:
On Wed, 14 May 2014 04:06:43 pm Robert Moskowitz wrote:
A little better in rendering the font, but the chosen font is this little skinny font that is really not readable and will not project well compared with whatever font evince is using.
Is the example at http://i.imgur.com/8hrG3Tp.png the sort of thing that you are seeing? I have a few documents like this.
Yep. That is what I am seeing in Acrobat.
The pdffonts program reports, for one of them:
pdffonts USB\ 3.1\ Specification\ Welcome\ Message.pdf
name type emb sub uni object ID
Arial TrueType no no no 5 0 Arial CID TrueType yes no yes 8 0 Symbol CID TrueType yes no yes 13 0
Installing the msttcorefonts package will provide Arial. This fixed the problem for me.
What rpm provides this? I tried a couple of 'whatprovides' and came up empty.
Google is your friend.....
My google foo is weak. Maybe that is because I knew Page when he was quite young; his father was one of my profs.
Nice, but that means you have to do the build yourself. Is this in any additional repos for Fedora?
I found this:
http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-the-microsoft-core-fonts-on-fedora-18-and-1...
OK. That points to an rpm. I downloaded it and did a 'yum localinstall' which also installed cabextract as a dependency.
And still Acrobat is using the wrong font. :(
On Thu, 15 May 2014 05:16:16 am Robert Moskowitz wrote:
OK. That points to an rpm. I downloaded it and did a 'yum localinstall' which also installed cabextract as a dependency.
And still Acrobat is using the wrong font. :(
It seemed to take a little time before the system started using the new fonts. I actually had the fonts come good while reading through the document which was strange.
pdffonts is in poppler-utils. Find out what fonts your document requires.
On 05/14/2014 02:47 PM, Anthony Shipman wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2014 05:16:16 am Robert Moskowitz wrote:
OK. That points to an rpm. I downloaded it and did a 'yum localinstall' which also installed cabextract as a dependency.
And still Acrobat is using the wrong font. :(
It seemed to take a little time before the system started using the new fonts. I actually had the fonts come good while reading through the document which was strange.
pdffonts is in poppler-utils. Find out what fonts your document requires.
$ pdffonts predraft7_P802-15-9_Draft_Standard.pdf name type encoding emb sub uni object ID ------------------------------------ ----------------- ---------------- --- --- --- --------- Times New Roman,Bold TrueType WinAnsi no no no 306 0 ABCDEE+Times,Bold TrueType WinAnsi yes yes no 309 0 Times New Roman TrueType WinAnsi no no no 312 0 Arial TrueType WinAnsi no no no 240 0 Arial,Bold TrueType WinAnsi no no no 243 0 Arial,Bold CID TrueType Identity-H yes no yes 237 0 Times New Roman TrueType WinAnsi no no no 238 0 Arial CID TrueType Identity-H yes no yes 248 0 Symbol CID TrueType Identity-H yes no yes 251 0 Arial,Italic TrueType WinAnsi no no no 246 0 Times New Roman,Bold TrueType WinAnsi no no no 255 0 Times New Roman,BoldItalic TrueType WinAnsi no no no 258 0 Times New Roman,Italic TrueType WinAnsi no no no 257 0 Times New Roman,BoldItalic CID TrueType Identity-H yes no yes 263 0 Times New Roman CID TrueType Identity-H yes no yes 270 0 Times New Roman,Bold CID TrueType Identity-H yes no yes 266 0 ABCDEE+CALIBRI TrueType WinAnsi yes yes no 272 0 Times New Roman,Italic CID TrueType Identity-H yes no yes 279 0
And this time when I opened the pdf in acrobat it came up with readable fonts.
THANKS EVERYONE!
This wil alsol probably fix my Libreoffice presentation .ppt files being viewed on Powerpoint and the otherway around.
For future reference, consider these two font families:
- The Liberation Fonts https://fedorahosted.org/liberation-fonts
- The Ubuntu Font Family http://font.ubuntu.com
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