Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before. But google shows mostly 5 year old info.
What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
On 16. 7. 2014 at 11:07:06, Neal Becker wrote:
Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before. But google shows mostly 5 year old info.
What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
Just yesterday, I saw this offer:
Ultrabook Dell Latitude E7440, Linux preinstalled (not sure what Linux though). CPU: i7-4600U GPU: Intel HD 4400 RAM: 8GB HDD: 500GB Display: 14" FHD
I have very good experience with older Latitute E6500, I suppose this might work well too.
HTH Jan
On 07/16/2014 10:07 AM, Neal Becker wrote:
What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
I haven't bought any laptops from these guys, but I did buy three desktop machines and have been very satisfied:
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Neal Becker ndbecker2@gmail.com wrote:
and without paying windoze tax?
Monetarily you won't save much. Lenovo guys shipped me a Thinkpad without Windows. Only recommendation I have is to not buy dual-graphic-card systems.
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 22:13:19 +0530 Sudhir Khanger sudhir@sudhirkhanger.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Neal Becker ndbecker2@gmail.com wrote:
and without paying windoze tax?
Monetarily you won't save much. Lenovo guys shipped me a Thinkpad without Windows. Only recommendation I have is to not buy dual-graphic-card systems.
Zareason.com
Sorry about top posting, my phone won't bottom post.
Try thinkpenguin.com. They have evrything linux. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Mobilicity
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Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before. But google shows mostly 5 year old info.
What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Neal Becker ndbecker2@gmail.com wrote:
What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
Surprised no one has mentioned zareason.com. I haven't bought one from them yet, but I'm sooooo tempted ...
Regards, Ben
On 07/16/2014 02:15 PM, Ben wrote:
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Neal Becker <ndbecker2@gmail.com mailto:ndbecker2@gmail.com> wrote:
What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?Surprised no one has mentioned zareason.com http://zareason.com. I haven't bought one from them yet, but I'm sooooo tempted ...
Regards, Ben
Or system76.com. I purchased a Leopard Extreme desktop from them. They've been fantastic (and the machine is a beast).
On 07/16/2014 01:17 PM, Jack Wallen wrote:
Or system76.com. I purchased a Leopard Extreme desktop from them. They've been fantastic (and the machine is a beast).
Yes, I have one of those, too. It almost ate me.
On 07/16/2014 02:15 PM, Ben wrote:
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Neal Becker <ndbecker2@gmail.com mailto:ndbecker2@gmail.com> wrote:
What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?Surprised no one has mentioned zareason.com http://zareason.com. I haven't bought one from them yet, but I'm sooooo tempted ...
Regards, Ben
ZaReason won't say whether their laptop models go up to 1920 x 1080p on screen resolution. Every laptop I have seen on the market today ls limited to 1364 x 768 resolution. I call that "half-def." Until a laptop delivers "full-def," it will never replace a desktop.
I like the idea that I can order this maching with Fedora installed at the factory. The only thing is: I've fallen in love with KDE. They won't tell me whether they restrict their pre-installation to Gnome.
Temlakos
Quoting Temlakos temlakos@gmail.com:
On 07/16/2014 02:15 PM, Ben wrote:
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Neal Becker <ndbecker2@gmail.com mailto:ndbecker2@gmail.com> wrote:
What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
Surprised no one has mentioned zareason.com http://zareason.com. I haven't bought one from them yet, but I'm sooooo tempted ...
Regards, Ben
ZaReason won't say whether their laptop models go up to 1920 x 1080p on screen resolution. Every laptop I have seen on the market today ls limited to 1364 x 768 resolution. I call that "half-def." Until a laptop delivers "full-def," it will never replace a desktop.
see here: http://zareason.com/shop/Mir-640.html, " a 3k 15.6" (2880x1620) IPS LED backlit screen"
D
I like the idea that I can order this maching with Fedora installed at the factory. The only thing is: I've fallen in love with KDE. They won't tell me whether they restrict their pre-installation to Gnome.
Temlakos
On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 14:23 -0400, Temlakos wrote:
On 07/16/2014 02:15 PM, Ben wrote:
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Neal Becker ndbecker2@gmail.com wrote: What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax
Surprised no one has mentioned zareason.com. I haven't bought one from them yet, but I'm sooooo tempted ... Regards, Ben
ZaReason won't say whether their laptop models go up to 1920 x 1080p on screen resolution. Every laptop I have seen on the market today ls limited to 1364 x 768 resolution. I call that "half-def." Until a laptop delivers "full-def," it will never replace a desktop.
I like the idea that I can order this maching with Fedora installed at the factory. The only thing is: I've fallen in love with KDE. They won't tell me whether they restrict their pre-installation to Gnome.
Temlakos
I found each model clearly says what the display resolution is, eg: the Alto X445:
"Features:
4th Generation Intel Core Processor Bright, anti-glare 14" LED backlit HD display @ 1920x1080 pixels Brushed Aluminum Lid/Touchpad area" etc
Thinkpenguin.com has a model that goes to 1920x1080, no windows.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Temlakos temlakos@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/16/2014 02:15 PM, Ben wrote:
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Neal Becker ndbecker2@gmail.com wrote:
What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
Surprised no one has mentioned zareason.com. I haven't bought one from them yet, but I'm sooooo tempted ...
Regards, Ben
ZaReason won't say whether their laptop models go up to 1920 x 1080p on screen resolution. Every laptop I have seen on the market today ls limited to 1364 x 768 resolution. I call that "half-def." Until a laptop delivers "full-def," it will never replace a desktop.
I like the idea that I can order this maching with Fedora installed at the factory. The only thing is: I've fallen in love with KDE. They won't tell me whether they restrict their pre-installation to Gnome.
Temlakos
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On 07/16/2014 11:07 AM, Neal Becker wrote:
Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before. But google shows mostly 5 year old info.
What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
I have been happy with all of my Dell laptops, 2 are dual-boot windows/linux.. I have had a need every so often to run windows.. worth the extra expense.. and the dual boots have been all of: OpenSuSe, fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, and probably a few more I forget.. my older one will soon be, or at least boot Neon8, the new KDE5..
On 7/16/2014 8:07 AM, Neal Becker wrote:
Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before. But google shows mostly 5 year old info.
No need to apologize for the subject because technology advances, so the answer changes for the same questions.
What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
This question needs to be answered relative to a triple of considerations including performance, price, and availability. Compromises among these characteristics may be necessary to make a timely, affordable choice.
If your definition of performance includes both video and data processing performance, then higher screen pixel densities, tending toward quad resolution (3840 x 2160), or closer to it, will be considered. Other similar terminology includes 4K screens or QHD+ displays. This level of hardware needs appropriate software to support it, and that means a combination of vendor video drivers, kernel performance, and scalable-resolution application support. At this moment, the optimal combination of these factors may not yet be ready to install and use on the higher-resolution laptop screens.
If your definition of performance does not require higher-definition video, then the number of candidate machines increases, their prices decrease considering their capabilities, and software development may be relatively more complete and better match the hardware capabilities. These products are available to put into service without waiting for advancements in video software development.
If price is an important consideration, you may wish to consider refurbished equipment to obtain a better performance to price ratio, and with your choice of distribution version given adequate support of each of the machine's capabilities. If your requirement is new hardware that has never been sold with a Windows license, then choices among hardware capabilities likely will be restrained among models, and price differentials may be relatively modest.
Ken
On Jul 16, 2014 9:07 AM, "Neal Becker" ndbecker2@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before. But google
shows
mostly 5 year old info.
What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop
that
works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
--
You're aware that in a lot of (most? All?) cases, it's actually *Microsoft* that pays the "windoze tax", right? They want to get their product in front of users and want their latest and geatest, like win8, to be popular. They might actually provide incentives to the OEM ranging from license discounts to free licences and then some.
My advice is to pick a machine based on your needs and budget and don't worry too much about keeping your cash out of Microsoft's pocket. With Fedora you won't be getting MS news or bing results in the shell or using their app store; that pretty much does the job these days.
I have a Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro, a flagship Windows8 convertible ultrabook. It works great, and I have never booted Windows on it.
--Pete
On 07/16/2014 04:17 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
On Jul 16, 2014 9:07 AM, "Neal Becker" <ndbecker2@gmail.com mailto:ndbecker2@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before. But
google shows
mostly 5 year old info.
What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance
laptop that
works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
--
You're aware that in a lot of (most? All?) cases, it's actually *Microsoft* that pays the "windoze tax", right? They want to get their product in front of users and want their latest and geatest, like win8, to be popular. They might actually provide incentives to the OEM ranging from license discounts to free licences and then some.
My advice is to pick a machine based on your needs and budget and don't worry too much about keeping your cash out of Microsoft's pocket. With Fedora you won't be getting MS news or bing results in the shell or using their app store; that pretty much does the job these days.
I have a Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro, a flagship Windows8 convertible ultrabook. It works great, and I have never booted Windows on it.
--Pete
So what you're saying is, Microsoft makes no money, or even loses money, on OEM installations, and hopes to make all their money on those who upgrade existing hardware from one version of Windows to another. Or maybe on advertising through the Bing search engine.
If that's true, then I suggest Richard Stallman was correct and the business model of a proprietary operating system was never tenable long-range, and has come to the end of the road. Because I'm sure everyone knows that no enterprise, that has any true sense of TCO, upgrades existing hardware from one version of Windows to the next. Each succeeding version of Windows is a worse resource hog than the last, and also breaks at least one application the enterprise uses regularly. So what they do instead is wait until their version of Windows is approaching EOL, then upgrade hardware and software together. (I recently bought a new machine, moved all my apps onto it, then ended up erasing them all because the new Windows had to go through a full system refresh just to install a "vital update.")
And let's see if I further have you straight: nobody's going to get a significant discount, or indeed even an insignificant discount, by buying a "bare" machine with no OS installed.
Temlakos
On 07/17/14 07:41, Temlakos wrote:
And let's see if I further have you straight: nobody's going to get a significant discount, or indeed even an insignificant discount, by buying a "bare" machine with no OS installed.
I don't know what you consider "significant" but a quick search turns up articles such as this one....
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-22/microsoft-said-to-cut-windows-price...
which indicates....
"Manufacturers will be charged $15 to license Windows 8.1 and preinstall it on devices that retail for less than $250, instead of the usual fee of $50, said the people, who asked not to be named because the details aren’t public."
I suspect that even the $50 charge is highest/starting price to manufactures and subject additional volume discounting.
On Jul 16, 2014 5:41 PM, "Temlakos" temlakos@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/16/2014 04:17 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
On Jul 16, 2014 9:07 AM, "Neal Becker" ndbecker2@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before. But google
shows
mostly 5 year old info.
What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop
that
works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
--
You're aware that in a lot of (most? All?) cases, it's actually
*Microsoft* that pays the "windoze tax", right? They want to get their product in front of users and want their latest and geatest, like win8, to be popular. They might actually provide incentives to the OEM ranging from license discounts to free licences and then some.
My advice is to pick a machine based on your needs and budget and don't
worry too much about keeping your cash out of Microsoft's pocket. With Fedora you won't be getting MS news or bing results in the shell or using their app store; that pretty much does the job these days.
I have a Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro, a flagship Windows8 convertible ultrabook.
It works great, and I have never booted Windows on it.
--Pete
So what you're saying is, Microsoft makes no money, or even loses money,
on OEM installations, and hopes to make all their money on those who upgrade existing hardware from one version of Windows to another. Or maybe on advertising through the Bing search engine.
If that's true, then I suggest Richard Stallman was correct and the
business model of a proprietary operating system was never tenable long-range, and has come to the end of the road. Because I'm sure everyone knows that no enterprise, that has any true sense of TCO, upgrades existing hardware from one version of Windows to the next. Each succeeding version of Windows is a worse resource hog than the last, and also breaks at least one application the enterprise uses regularly. So what they do instead is wait until their version of Windows is approaching EOL, then upgrade hardware and software together. (I recently bought a new machine, moved all my apps onto it, then ended up erasing them all because the new Windows had to go through a full system refresh just to install a "vital update.")
And let's see if I further have you straight: nobody's going to get a
significant discount, or indeed even an insignificant discount, by buying a "bare" machine with no OS installed.
Temlakos
--
Yes, my experience is that buying user devices like laptops and desktops (servers are a different story) are not cheaper without Windows preinstalled. That wasn't the case ~10 years ago when I started asking, and it wasn't the case recently when deploying ~100 machines for $dayjob that were immediately reimaged using our Windows site licence without ever booting the OEM install.
The speculation about business models and enterprise practices is even more OT than the rest of this thread, and probably more appropriate somewhere else.
--Pete
Pete Travis <lists <at> petetravis.com> writes:
Yes, my experience is that buying user devices like laptops and desktops
(servers are a different story) > are not cheaper without Windows preinstalled. That wasn't the case ~10 years ago when I
started asking, and it wasn't the case recently when deploying ~100
machines for $dayjob that
were immediately reimaged using our Windows site licence without ever
booting the OEM install.
Yes, if anything I've found that no-OS machines are if anything more expensive, due to the lack of the "crapware discount". And there are utilities you can use to backup up the existing activation, and then do a clean install, getting rid of the crapware. And on occasion Windows is necessary for doing things (like updating firmware) that aren't supported on Linux, and you don't need to devote a lot of disk space to it just to have it around.
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 12:18:17 +0000 Andre Robatino robatino@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Pete Travis <lists <at> petetravis.com> writes:
Yes, my experience is that buying user devices like laptops and desktops
(servers are a different story) > are not cheaper without Windows preinstalled. That wasn't the case ~10 years ago when I
started asking, and it wasn't the case recently when deploying ~100
machines for $dayjob that
were immediately reimaged using our Windows site licence without ever
booting the OEM install.
Yes, if anything I've found that no-OS machines are if anything more expensive, due to the lack of the "crapware discount". And there are utilities you can use to backup up the existing activation, and then do a clean install, getting rid of the crapware. And on occasion Windows is necessary for doing things (like updating firmware) that aren't supported on Linux, and you don't need to devote a lot of disk space to it just to have it around.
This may be true in general but the Dell XPS 13 with Ubuntu last year was $150 less than the one with Windoze.
Ranjan
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Ranjan Maitra <maitra.mbox.ignored <at> inbox.com> writes:
Yes, if anything I've found that no-OS machines are if anything more expensive, due to the lack of the "crapware discount". And there are utilities you can use to backup up the existing activation, and then do a clean install, getting rid of the crapware. And on occasion Windows is necessary for doing things (like updating firmware) that aren't supported on Linux, and you don't need to devote a lot of disk space to it just to have it around.
This may be true in general but the Dell XPS 13 with Ubuntu last year was $150 less than the one with Windoze.
Something that just occurred to me - maybe Windows on high end hardware is less likely to come with crapware, so you don't get the discount. Or maybe the price of the Windows license is higher, so the discount doesn't cover it. The stuff I buy is always cheap so I don't know.
On 07/16/2014 05:02 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
My advice is to pick a machine based on your needs and budget and
don't worry too much about keeping your cash out of Microsoft's pocket. With Fedora you won't be getting MS news or bing results in the shell or using their app store; that pretty much does the job these days.
I buy laptop with Windows, then buy a second SSD for Linux. When I want to play a game or take advantage of support, I use the Windows drive. When I want to get work done, I swap and use the Linux HDD. Just make sure the laptop has an externally accessible drive bay.
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Lists lists@benjamindsmith.com wrote:
I buy laptop with Windows, then buy a second SSD for Linux. When I want to play a game or take advantage of support, I use the Windows drive. When I want to get work done, I swap and use the Linux HDD. Just make sure the laptop has an externally accessible drive bay.
That's a good way to do it. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click
On Thu, 2014-07-17 at 15:22 -0700, Lists wrote:
I buy laptop with Windows, then buy a second SSD for Linux. When I want to play a game or take advantage of support, I use the Windows drive. When I want to get work done, I swap and use the Linux HDD. Just make sure the laptop has an externally accessible drive bay.
You might want to check the specs on the connector. For instance, ordinary SATA connectors are often only rated to survive about fifty unplug/plug cycles. They're designed to let you build a system, and do a small amount of fiddling around (debug something, upgrade a drive), not endlessly change things around.
On 7/16/2014 4:41 PM, Temlakos wrote:
So what you're saying is, Microsoft makes no money, or even loses money, on OEM installations, and hopes to make all their money on those who upgrade existing hardware from one version of Windows to another. Or maybe on advertising through the Bing search engine.
In a word, no. Microsoft's financial reporting model has changed in the last couple of years, making direct revenue and earnings by product less obvious than previously. However, it is still the case that 70 percent of Microsoft's revenue comes from commercial and consumer licensing, and from those most of the company's profits derive. Other divisions taken together are profitable, though individual areas may still be investment rather than profit centers. To suggest that Microsoft is not making money on Windows and Office licenses is simply not true.
Ken
I think you will find what you're looking for at Puget Systems http://www.pugetsystems.com/. Not cheap, but they stand behind what they sell.
On 07/16/2014 08:07:06 AM, Neal Becker wrote:
Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before. But google shows mostly 5 year old info.
What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
From Dell, I bought the Dell XPS 13 last year with Ubuntu on it. I am very pleased with it.
Not sure if this will qualify as a high-performance for you though.
Ranjan
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:07:03 -0700 Geoffrey Leach geoff@hughes.net wrote:
I think you will find what you're looking for at Puget Systems http://www.pugetsystems.com/. Not cheap, but they stand behind what they sell.
On 07/16/2014 08:07:06 AM, Neal Becker wrote:
Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before. But google shows mostly 5 year old info.
What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
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On 17.07.2014 08:20, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
From Dell, I bought the Dell XPS 13 last year with Ubuntu on it. I am very pleased with it.
Not sure if this will qualify as a high-performance for you though.
Ranjan
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:07:03 -0700 Geoffrey Leach geoff@hughes.net wrote:
I think you will find what you're looking for at Puget Systems http://www.pugetsystems.com/. Not cheap, but they stand behind what they sell.
On 07/16/2014 08:07:06 AM, Neal Becker wrote:
Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before. But google shows mostly 5 year old info.
What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
Absolutely all the recommended machines are flagrantly overpriced. Come back down to earth.
poma
On 18.07.2014 15:32, g wrote:
On 07/17/2014 02:41 PM, poma wrote: <<>>
Absolutely all the recommended machines are flagrantly overpriced. Come back down to earth.
"flagrantly overpriced" is flagrantly understated.
There is no better recommendation than their own effort, right g-man? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clevo
poma
On 07/19/2014 01:05 PM, poma wrote:
On 18.07.2014 15:32, g wrote:
On 07/17/2014 02:41 PM, poma wrote: <<>>
Absolutely all the recommended machines are flagrantly overpriced. Come back down to earth.
"flagrantly overpriced" is flagrantly understated.
There is no better recommendation than their own effort, right g-man? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clevo
i would tend to agree, with one exception. they state;
Best-selling models powered by the latest computing technology.
in as much as fact that i consider the os as a part of 'power', they lose out because they supply systems with oos.
if they offered linux os, that would up power factor by 200%. ;-)
On 07/19/2014 03:52 AM, g wrote:
On 07/19/2014 01:05 PM, poma wrote:
On 18.07.2014 15:32, g wrote:
On 07/17/2014 02:41 PM, poma wrote: <<>>
Absolutely all the recommended machines are flagrantly overpriced. Come back down to earth.
"flagrantly overpriced" is flagrantly understated.
There is no better recommendation than their own effort, right g-man? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clevo
i would tend to agree, with one exception. they state;
Best-selling models powered by the latest computing technology.
in as much as fact that i consider the os as a part of 'power', they lose out because they supply systems with oos.
if they offered linux os, that would up power factor by 200%. ;-)
But that scarcely matters. After all, we get the chance to load any OS we want, in any distro, from Fedora to Ubuntu to Gentoo.
Temlakos
On 07/20/2014 01:20 AM, Temlakos wrote: <<>>
But that scarcely matters. After all, we get the chance to load any OS we want, in any distro, from Fedora to Ubuntu to Gentoo.
wow. really? i did not know that. where did you learn that? must be something really new. ((GBWG))
On 19.07.2014 09:52, g wrote:
On 07/19/2014 01:05 PM, poma wrote:
On 18.07.2014 15:32, g wrote:
On 07/17/2014 02:41 PM, poma wrote: <<>>
Absolutely all the recommended machines are flagrantly overpriced. Come back down to earth.
"flagrantly overpriced" is flagrantly understated.
There is no better recommendation than their own effort, right g-man? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clevo
i would tend to agree, with one exception. they state;
Best-selling models powered by the latest computing technology.in as much as fact that i consider the os as a part of 'power', they lose out because they supply systems with oos.
if they offered linux os, that would up power factor by 200%. ;-)
If you expect the full support whatever that means you better go with the company like System76 and similar, see http://linuxpreloaded.com. But it will cost you extra, and the "extra" I'd rather left to the users themselves to study the hardware components and everything related to it, and to build their own machine from bottom to top i.e. barebone, see e.g. http://goo.gl/gMImde. After all we are dealing with the Linux, right. I also understand the different user preferences, so go ye therefore, and be fruitful. "Power" is just a marketing buzzword, too much saké or something, I guess.
poma
On 07/20/2014 03:46 AM, poma wrote:
On 19.07.2014 09:52, g wrote:
<<>>
If you expect the full support whatever that means you better go with the company like System76 and similar, see
my apologies poma, maybe i should have marked my reply after
"i would tend to agree,"
with;
/;-) and /(-;
instead of a single ;-), to indicate spoofing of earlier comments of linux installed laptops.
<>
After all we are dealing with the Linux, right.
this is true.
I also understand the different user preferences, so go ye therefore, and be fruitful.
all my "boxen" have been bare bones from first release of Red Hat.
my first linux install was slackware, which replaced oos via floppies.
"Power" is just a marketing buzzword, too much saké or something, I guess.
agreed. for sure it is not Metaxa 7 Stars, or Metaxa 12 Stars.
which is make from grapes and is 40% abv or better.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 09:05:39 +0200 poma pomidorabelisima@gmail.com wrote:
On 18.07.2014 15:32, g wrote:
On 07/17/2014 02:41 PM, poma wrote: <<>>
Absolutely all the recommended machines are flagrantly overpriced. Come back down to earth.
"flagrantly overpriced" is flagrantly understated.
There is no better recommendation than their own effort, right g-man? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clevo
poma
Yep, got a system from xoticpc which is a sager/clevo system that is very fast and a workhorse running fedora 20
http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np2740-clevo-w740su-p-6201.html
On 2014-07-16 09:07, Neal Becker wrote:
Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before. But google shows mostly 5 year old info.
What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
I have read the thread before commenting.
I am going to be purchasing a laptop in the near future and feel the same as you. I will probably setup the computer as dual boot for those times that I need Windoze such as updating my old Garmin GPS.
One thing I would suggest is that you don't walk out of the store without a valid Windows disk. I purchased a computer last year and the image was on a partition. I toasted the partition due to my first working with gpt and this new partition scheme. I needed to go back to the store and they gave me a copy of the Windows program.
The store thought I could make recovery disks from the system but this particular machine didn't have the tools for creating a recovery disk.
Dell is the computer of choice at work but if there are issues, then you may be forced to use DEL
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